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[Jimmmmm]

BoxOfDog plays an 11.
Score: 1031

[mail-mi]

yay!

[Witherweaver]

RELEASE THE KRAKEN!

[Witherweaver]

I guess nothing happens until the end of the day

I wanted, like, XP and loot.

[mail-mi]

I guess nothing happens until the end of the day

I wanted, like, XP and loot.

...why do you think we'd get XerxesPrealor from the troll?

[Hydrad]

I'm wondering what loot we will get. And if it will be different for everyone?

Like will scum still get good loot even though they lost?

[yuma]

post to avoid a prod. I saw chairs voted for me at one point... what was that about?

[XerxesPraelor]

Well, wasn't the prize last time 1 less NK for scum?

[faust]

Well, Ash is arguing that not rolling is anti-town, and that claiming that you have a strong town PR that requires you to save your dice is a great cover for having a scum PR that uses dice.  I expect Ash to go after Mail-Mi for this regardless of Ash's alignment.  That being said, it feels a little more like WoT Ash (scum) than Innovation Ash (town).

Interesting. At the current moment I feel like a spectator analyzing the situation from afar.. Which isn't a good thing, as far as I can tell.

But I think it's pretty clear where Ash is coming from.
This entire time Mail-mi has had every opportunity to roll his dice, and there was no clear possibility that I would actually log on. Doesn't that come off as a bit strange..?

Well we have plenty of time to sort this out, so not really. mail-mi has like 6 days to roll if he wants.

vote: Box

I get an extremely newbie scum feeling from him.

Ichi going for the easy mislynch.

Tell me, how did scum manage to use three powers while one of them wasn't even playing? Or do you think Box is lying about this?

[faust]

unvote

Phone posting.  I actually really like Box's playstyle here.

Wow. Ichi's play is the very definition of OMGUS. Votes for Box when he suspects him, backs off as soon as Box says we shouldn't lynch Ichi today.

[faust]

I'm wondering what loot we will get. And if it will be different for everyone?

Like will scum still get good loot even though they lost?

Most likely not. OP says Rewards are bad for scum and/or good for town.

[faust]

I actually get a real townie vibe from Box, which kind of scares me, because that never happened before.

[Ichimaru Gin]

I actually get a real townie vibe from Box, which kind of scares me, because that never happened before.

So our reads concur on Box. Wow, do you let like edit out the possibility of coincidence from all of your theories?

You still haven't really answered why you pressured me to tell you how many dice I rolled. And once I did, you just glossed over it. Afterwards, it's been pretty firmly established that its a bad idea to reveal such information--and I am sure that you thought of it before.

Please answer this post instead of indirectly referencing it and not actually addressing what I say.

[faust]

I actually get a real townie vibe from Box, which kind of scares me, because that never happened before.

So our reads concur on Box. Wow, do you let like edit out the possibility of coincidence from all of your theories?

You still haven't really answered why you pressured me to tell you how many dice I rolled. And once I did, you just glossed over it. Afterwards, it's been pretty firmly established that its a bad idea to reveal such information--and I am sure that you thought of it before.

Please answer this post instead of indirectly referencing it and not actually addressing what I say.

Well, of course I could always say "well, but that could just be coincidence". How are we ever going to find scum that way?

When I asked you, you have already said you rolled "a couple" dice. What harm was done by claiming the exact number? I pressured you because I wanted to find out whether you are scum.

[faust]

It's remarkable btw that you blame me for pressuring you into doing something you consider anti-town, when you yourself performed the anti-town action (and even claimed your rolls, which I never even asked). When did you come to realize that this was bad play?

[Ichimaru Gin]

Reread of faust.

#118 His first post. Votes me for my low roll and having nothing else to say. Says Ash is suspicious for playing dice without more forethought and discussion.

#119 Cryptic exchange with Xerxes about him suspecting faust is a particular PR.

#120 faust says that he doesn't understand why people are voting for mail-mi following his claim that its better if he doesn't roll.

#123 Offers up some dice roll statistics, emphasizing how bad my roll was.

#124 Questions PPS about when his supply was depleted.

#126 Votes for Ashersky because he didn't answer faust's question.

#127 Plays a 10

#131 Says Ash has talked more about claiming and less about why discussing dice rolls before rolling them is bad.

#132 Is confused by my (I think) clear question about him assuming that low rolls = scum and once again ignoring that town could have bad luck.

(Not every post of his from here on is covered)

#138 Questions me explicitly about how many dice I rolled and revotes me.

#142 Completely ignores my post and says he feels better about his vote on me.

#152 Pressures me further to tell how many dice I rolled. He says "what are you afraid of" as if there is no danger of scum PR's messing with my supply. He then says this information will help him determine "exactly how likely it is I am telling the truth".

#153 Says he thinks I'm scum because "odds" say I am. This is supremely scummy to me as he is applying generalized statistics to a specific event to which it has little application given the randomness of roles.

#154 Says XP's post is stupid and will be the cause of his death. faust tells him to stop talking about roles.

#156 Plays a 9, says his dice have been rerolled and it's probably scum behind it.

#177 Says he is 95% sure XP is town.

#203 More dice roll statistics. Generically helpful, but also an easy way to get townie points since he's talented with numbers and could easily do the statistics just as well as scum.

#204 Purposefully misinterprets my post to say something it isn't. Dodges my legitimate point and trys to act like I am saying obviously nonsensical things.

#216 Counters WW saying that scum played a 1 on d2 of the previous iteration of this game--cement what we already knew about him that rolls are everything despite their randomness.

#217 Basically ignores Voltaire's point that scum generally played mid-high numbers in the previous game, debunking faust's theory which he has waved around so much and forms the basis of almost all of his reads.

#286 Asks me to explain my vote on him, once again expressing confusion--either true or feigned.

#287 Once again presupposes I'm scum, puts words in my mouth and makes light of my arguments.

#289 Counters liopoil and says that Xerxes is not scum (very confidently)

#295 A reads post.

What really stands out to me is the large amount of pressure he put on me to claim my dice, but when I do, he completely ignores it.
There really isn't a good explanation for this, unless he missed it or something. He writes off pretty much all my posts, and only responds to me in indirect sorts of ways, often with a mocking or satirical tone to his responses.

[faust]

Also, we had summed up some reasons in Dice Mafia I for why it is good to lynch low-rollers. I couldn't find the post, so I'll just paraphrase.

1) Scum doesn't want us to beat the monsters, so low rolls are more likely to come from scum.
2) If a townie played a low roll, that means their other rolls were also low, which means they don't have a high-value die stored and are thus less useful for town.
3) If scum plays a low roll, that means they're more likely to have a high roll stored for later use against town. So lynching scum that rolled low is of higher priority than lynching scum that rolled high.
4) Low rolls from town also imply a small number of dice rolled. A small number of dice rolled implies that the player wanted to save dice for later, which implies he doesn't have too many of them. Lynching town with few dice is better than lynching town with a lot of dice.
5) Lynching a low-roller encourages scum to roll high, which is a good thing.

So Ichi, are you saying you disagree with all of these points?

PPE: Ichi's reread.

[faust]

#217 Basically ignores Voltaire's point that scum generally played mid-high numbers in the previous game, debunking faust's theory which he has waved around so much and forms the basis of almost all of his reads.

Just saying, this is in no way true.

My read on Xerxes isn't derived from dice rolls.
My read on PPS isn't derived from dice rolls.
My read on Hydrad isn't derived from dice rolls.
My read on BA isn't derived from dice rolls.
My read on Box isn't derived from dice rolls.

[Ichimaru Gin]

#217 Basically ignores Voltaire's point that scum generally played mid-high numbers in the previous game, debunking faust's theory which he has waved around so much and forms the basis of almost all of his reads.

Just saying, this is in no way true.

My read on Xerxes isn't derived from dice rolls.
My read on PPS isn't derived from dice rolls.
My read on Hydrad isn't derived from dice rolls.
My read on BA isn't derived from dice rolls.
My read on Box isn't derived from dice rolls.

How many of those reads are null or incredibly light?

[faust]

#217 Basically ignores Voltaire's point that scum generally played mid-high numbers in the previous game, debunking faust's theory which he has waved around so much and forms the basis of almost all of his reads.

Just saying, this is in no way true.

My read on Xerxes isn't derived from dice rolls.
My read on PPS isn't derived from dice rolls.
My read on Hydrad isn't derived from dice rolls.
My read on BA isn't derived from dice rolls.
My read on Box isn't derived from dice rolls.

How many of those reads are null or incredibly light?

Zero to one.

[faust]

#217 Basically ignores Voltaire's point that scum generally played mid-high numbers in the previous game, debunking faust's theory which he has waved around so much and forms the basis of almost all of his reads.

Just saying, this is in no way true.

My read on Xerxes isn't derived from dice rolls.
My read on PPS isn't derived from dice rolls.
My read on Hydrad isn't derived from dice rolls.
My read on BA isn't derived from dice rolls.
My read on Box isn't derived from dice rolls.

How many of those reads are null or incredibly light?

Zero to one.

And of course, you'd know that had you actually reread me instead of filtered out stuff you can use against me.

[Ichimaru Gin]

What is your explanation for ignoring my claim of how many dice I rolled and the results I got?

[Ichimaru Gin]

#217 Basically ignores Voltaire's point that scum generally played mid-high numbers in the previous game, debunking faust's theory which he has waved around so much and forms the basis of almost all of his reads.

Just saying, this is in no way true.

My read on Xerxes isn't derived from dice rolls.
My read on PPS isn't derived from dice rolls.
My read on Hydrad isn't derived from dice rolls.
My read on BA isn't derived from dice rolls.
My read on Box isn't derived from dice rolls.

How many of those reads are null or incredibly light?

Zero to one.

And of course, you'd know that had you actually reread me instead of filtered out stuff you can use against me.

AKA evidence?

You'd probably call it something else though.

[faust]

#217 Basically ignores Voltaire's point that scum generally played mid-high numbers in the previous game, debunking faust's theory which he has waved around so much and forms the basis of almost all of his reads.

Just saying, this is in no way true.

My read on Xerxes isn't derived from dice rolls.
My read on PPS isn't derived from dice rolls.
My read on Hydrad isn't derived from dice rolls.
My read on BA isn't derived from dice rolls.
My read on Box isn't derived from dice rolls.

How many of those reads are null or incredibly light?

Zero to one.

And of course, you'd know that had you actually reread me instead of filtered out stuff you can use against me.

AKA evidence?

You'd probably call it something else though.

Am I right that this is you confirming that you didn't reread me to find out whether I'm scum, but only to convince others that I'm scum?

[Ichimaru Gin]

#217 Basically ignores Voltaire's point that scum generally played mid-high numbers in the previous game, debunking faust's theory which he has waved around so much and forms the basis of almost all of his reads.

Just saying, this is in no way true.

My read on Xerxes isn't derived from dice rolls.
My read on PPS isn't derived from dice rolls.
My read on Hydrad isn't derived from dice rolls.
My read on BA isn't derived from dice rolls.
My read on Box isn't derived from dice rolls.

How many of those reads are null or incredibly light?

Zero to one.

And of course, you'd know that had you actually reread me instead of filtered out stuff you can use against me.

AKA evidence?

You'd probably call it something else though.

Am I right that this is you confirming that you didn't reread me to find out whether I'm scum, but only to convince others that I'm scum?

Am I right that this is you confirming that you manage to twist, misinterpret and evade virtually everything I say?