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[Ichimaru Gin]

Well obviously, scum has a vested interest in playing low numbers. I see the argument, but it's really 100% WIFOM. Aside from reads separate from the numbers that someone plays, there is no way to tell if they are unlucky town or lying scum. I hope that people see this.
To me, this is one of the things that makes this setup really interesting. It would be pretty dull if faust was right and it's just a cut and dry low number = scum (which of course it isn't).

Why do you continue to choose to ignore that the low roll is not the only thing I find you scummy for?

My roll was the first scummy thing you found about me--and it was the instigator to solidifying your reads on me.
I responded to your accusations and you found me even scummier for it. So, your calling me our for my low roll forms the foundation of your reads on me.

I am so tired of trying to argue this. In fact, I don't think I'm going to argue to defend my low play any more. If you can't see it by this point, it doesn't matter.

I don't have a direct response to Ichi here.. That said, people tend to act differently toward different attitudes directed towards them. This can be displayed easily by accusing something on something they did not do, they'll likely feel pretty defensive.

Ichi feels incredibly defensive about people's position towards him. His low roll calls him out almost automatically as scum (and rightly so).

No read on Volt?

I know you're new (and this is also a very different setup) but did you know that you have to play a dice if you roll over a certain number of dice--and also that these numbers are randomized?

Dah. I'm tired of this conversation anyway.

I know all of these things. Referring to what was already said, Scum has a vested interest in putting low numbers and defending it to make themselves seem like the unlucky town.

And I don't really have a read of Voltaire. *shrug*
Is that a big deal? I'm only pointing out what I found most significant throughout my little binge-reading escapade.

Well you know Voltaire played a 5 right? (I understand it's hard to catch up on 18 pages).

You're right that scum has those interests, but there will definitely be unlucky town as well, so how do you propose to tell the difference?

[Witherweaver]

Edit: XerxesPraelor has been attacked by the Troll.
Score: 640

Hydrad plays 7
Score: 810 689

This is the edit in question. What do we make of it? "Has been attacked by the Troll"? Does this imply non-mafia interactions? The first reroll didn't have that clause, right?

Also. Damn this is very scary. Can anyone run the numbers that we need now in order to beat the troll?

What do you mean?  This was earlier, we're at 910 now.  And two people can still roll.  Right?

[Ichimaru Gin]

Edit: XerxesPraelor has been attacked by the Troll.
Score: 640

Hydrad plays 7
Score: 810 689

This is the edit in question. What do we make of it? "Has been attacked by the Troll"? Does this imply non-mafia interactions? The first reroll didn't have that clause, right?

Also. Damn this is very scary. Can anyone run the numbers that we need now in order to beat the troll?

What do you mean?  This was earlier, we're at 910 now.  And two people can still roll.  Right?

But doesn't this change the current number we have? I'm confused, so Jimmmmm went back and edited some posts, don't those affect the current count?

[BoxOfDOG]

Well obviously, scum has a vested interest in playing low numbers. I see the argument, but it's really 100% WIFOM. Aside from reads separate from the numbers that someone plays, there is no way to tell if they are unlucky town or lying scum. I hope that people see this.
To me, this is one of the things that makes this setup really interesting. It would be pretty dull if faust was right and it's just a cut and dry low number = scum (which of course it isn't).

Why do you continue to choose to ignore that the low roll is not the only thing I find you scummy for?

My roll was the first scummy thing you found about me--and it was the instigator to solidifying your reads on me.
I responded to your accusations and you found me even scummier for it. So, your calling me our for my low roll forms the foundation of your reads on me.

I am so tired of trying to argue this. In fact, I don't think I'm going to argue to defend my low play any more. If you can't see it by this point, it doesn't matter.

I don't have a direct response to Ichi here.. That said, people tend to act differently toward different attitudes directed towards them. This can be displayed easily by accusing something on something they did not do, they'll likely feel pretty defensive.

Ichi feels incredibly defensive about people's position towards him. His low roll calls him out almost automatically as scum (and rightly so).

No read on Volt?

I know you're new (and this is also a very different setup) but did you know that you have to play a dice if you roll over a certain number of dice--and also that these numbers are randomized?

Dah. I'm tired of this conversation anyway.

I know all of these things. Referring to what was already said, Scum has a vested interest in putting low numbers and defending it to make themselves seem like the unlucky town.

And I don't really have a read of Voltaire. *shrug*
Is that a big deal? I'm only pointing out what I found most significant throughout my little binge-reading escapade.

Well you know Voltaire played a 5 right? (I understand it's hard to catch up on 18 pages).

You're right that scum has those interests, but there will definitely be unlucky town as well, so how do you propose to tell the difference?

Hey that's what I'm trying to figure out.
But I do know that in mafia people tend to target the people that feel the most reactive to negative responses to a mistake/suspicious act.

You've been acting out the most in response to these.
This happened to me the last game, I got super defensive towards what people were saying, and because kept on poking the bear on me to see what would happen. It works.
People are suspicious of you for two reasons:
Your knee jerk reactions
Your low roll

[Witherweaver]

Edit: XerxesPraelor has been attacked by the Troll.
Score: 640

Hydrad plays 7
Score: 810 689

This is the edit in question. What do we make of it? "Has been attacked by the Troll"? Does this imply non-mafia interactions? The first reroll didn't have that clause, right?

Also. Damn this is very scary. Can anyone run the numbers that we need now in order to beat the troll?

What do you mean?  This was earlier, we're at 910 now.  And two people can still roll.  Right?

But doesn't this change the current number we have? I'm confused, so Jimmmmm went back and edited some posts, don't those affect the current count?

I'm pretty sure he edited for correctness and made sure everything as it stands is correct.  The last vote count (), after those edits, says we're at 910:

XerxesPraelor plays an 11.
Score: 910

Vote Count 1.4

mail-mi (1): ashersky
Ichimaru Gin (2): faust, Beyond Awesome
Beyond Awesome (2): XerxesPraelor, Witherweaver
Voltaire (1): mail-mi
faust (1): Ichimaru Gin
liopoil (2): Voltaire, yuma
ashersky (1): pingpongsam

not voting (4): chairs, BoxOfDog, Hydrad, liopoil

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

Evening begins on July 1 at 4pm forum time.
Day 1 ends on July 3 at 4pm forum time.

Target: 1000
Score: 910

[Ichimaru Gin]

Well obviously, scum has a vested interest in playing low numbers. I see the argument, but it's really 100% WIFOM. Aside from reads separate from the numbers that someone plays, there is no way to tell if they are unlucky town or lying scum. I hope that people see this.
To me, this is one of the things that makes this setup really interesting. It would be pretty dull if faust was right and it's just a cut and dry low number = scum (which of course it isn't).

Why do you continue to choose to ignore that the low roll is not the only thing I find you scummy for?

My roll was the first scummy thing you found about me--and it was the instigator to solidifying your reads on me.
I responded to your accusations and you found me even scummier for it. So, your calling me our for my low roll forms the foundation of your reads on me.

I am so tired of trying to argue this. In fact, I don't think I'm going to argue to defend my low play any more. If you can't see it by this point, it doesn't matter.

I don't have a direct response to Ichi here.. That said, people tend to act differently toward different attitudes directed towards them. This can be displayed easily by accusing something on something they did not do, they'll likely feel pretty defensive.

Ichi feels incredibly defensive about people's position towards him. His low roll calls him out almost automatically as scum (and rightly so).

No read on Volt?

I know you're new (and this is also a very different setup) but did you know that you have to play a dice if you roll over a certain number of dice--and also that these numbers are randomized?

Dah. I'm tired of this conversation anyway.

I know all of these things. Referring to what was already said, Scum has a vested interest in putting low numbers and defending it to make themselves seem like the unlucky town.

And I don't really have a read of Voltaire. *shrug*
Is that a big deal? I'm only pointing out what I found most significant throughout my little binge-reading escapade.

Well you know Voltaire played a 5 right? (I understand it's hard to catch up on 18 pages).

You're right that scum has those interests, but there will definitely be unlucky town as well, so how do you propose to tell the difference?

Hey that's what I'm trying to figure out.
But I do know that in mafia people tend to target the people that feel the most reactive to negative responses to a mistake/suspicious act.

You've been acting out the most in response to these.
This happened to me the last game, I got super defensive towards what people were saying, and because kept on poking the bear on me to see what would happen. It works.
People are suspicious of you for two reasons:
Your knee jerk reactions
Your low roll

I am a very reactive player when it comes to bad cases on me.

Your assessment is correct as to why people find me scummy.

But what do you think of Voltaire? His roll was even lower than mine, and you seem to be in faust's camp on that.

[Ichimaru Gin]

Edit: XerxesPraelor has been attacked by the Troll.
Score: 640

Hydrad plays 7
Score: 810 689

This is the edit in question. What do we make of it? "Has been attacked by the Troll"? Does this imply non-mafia interactions? The first reroll didn't have that clause, right?

Also. Damn this is very scary. Can anyone run the numbers that we need now in order to beat the troll?

What do you mean?  This was earlier, we're at 910 now.  And two people can still roll.  Right?

Ok. Did I just miss that Xerxes was attacked by the troll earlier?
Cause you're right that the most recent count shows 910. For some reason I thought he went back and edited the attack in. Hmm. I guess I should follow a little more closely.

[BoxOfDOG]

Hey that's what I'm trying to figure out.
But I do know that in mafia people tend to target the people that feel the most reactive to negative responses to a mistake/suspicious act.

You've been acting out the most in response to these.
This happened to me the last game, I got super defensive towards what people were saying, and because kept on poking the bear on me to see what would happen. It works.
People are suspicious of you for two reasons:
Your knee jerk reactions
Your low roll

I am a very reactive player when it comes to bad cases on me.

Your assessment is correct as to why people find me scummy.

But what do you think of Voltaire? His roll was even lower than mine, and you seem to be in faust's camp on that.

Ugh. Alright, gimmie a bit.. Going sifting through pages to look at Voltaire posts.

[pingpongsam]

I am a very reactive player when it comes to bad cases on me.

This is paramount to saying that even if you are town you are the weakest link and we should lynch you when we otherwise don't have a clear alternative.

If the case is bad then you can point it out. If the case is good but wrong then that is just the breaks. Getting overly reactive is bad form almost always.

[Beyond Awesome]

Edit: XerxesPraelor has been attacked by the Troll.
Score: 640

Hydrad plays 7
Score: 810 689

This is the edit in question. What do we make of it? "Has been attacked by the Troll"? Does this imply non-mafia interactions? The first reroll didn't have that clause, right?

Also. Damn this is very scary. Can anyone run the numbers that we need now in order to beat the troll?

What do you mean?  This was earlier, we're at 910 now.  And two people can still roll.  Right?

Ok. Did I just miss that Xerxes was attacked by the troll earlier?
Cause you're right that the most recent count shows 910. For some reason I thought he went back and edited the attack in. Hmm. I guess I should follow a little more closely.

He was attacked but then he rolled 11 again.

[BoxOfDOG]

Hey that's what I'm trying to figure out.
But I do know that in mafia people tend to target the people that feel the most reactive to negative responses to a mistake/suspicious act.

You've been acting out the most in response to these.
This happened to me the last game, I got super defensive towards what people were saying, and because kept on poking the bear on me to see what would happen. It works.
People are suspicious of you for two reasons:
Your knee jerk reactions
Your low roll

I am a very reactive player when it comes to bad cases on me.

Your assessment is correct as to why people find me scummy.

But what do you think of Voltaire? His roll was even lower than mine, and you seem to be in faust's camp on that.

Ugh. Alright, gimmie a bit.. Going sifting through pages to look at Voltaire posts.

I didn't have much to look at.

Voltaire gave a low roll, people were like, "Wai?" and he just gonna shrugged it off with "I got a bad result."
Maybe this is really where being a low-reaction player comes in as an advantage?
People backed off because he gave his reason and kept on playing. What Ichi seems to have done is arguing back at the face of people that accused him, constantly trying to convince everyone that it was an honest mistake.

Like an innocent man being jilted out of the social circle because of something he didn't mean to do.

With all this said.. I suggest we kinda get off Ichi's back. See what he has to offer to the game other than defending himself and his roll.

[BoxOfDOG]

Getting overly reactive is bad form almost always.

Dis ^

[mail-mi]

Like an innocent man being jilted out of the social circle because of something he didn't mean to do.

This exactly. I think ichi is pretty town,

also: you should roll to see if I need to roll.

[pingpongsam]

Box says he rolled, we are awaiting results.

[chairs]

[chairs]

Wow. 18 entire pages.. This is embarrassing.

My computer was locked down, so I have to do everything from my Kindle Fire. So expect posts to be kind of awkward and short.
Reading through everything ASAP so I can catch up and see what's going on. (No need to give me an update)

And this, folks, is why you don't watch porn from FBI headquarters.

Ha.. Ha..?

._.
I find that joke very hard to appreciate.

I'm sorry to hear that you think my joke was in bad taste.  It was the second thing that came to mind when you mentioned computer lockdown, and it made me titter, so I thought I'd share.

[Hydrad]

One thing I find interesting is that we have different supplies of dice. (or at least some of us do). Its interesting that box started out with 15 and I'm also curious as to if there is a way to regain dice somehow? because otherwise if this game lasts a while I can see that it will get very difficult for some people.

[Ichimaru Gin]

unvote

Phone posting.  I actually really like Box's playstyle here.

[BoxOfDOG]

Play: 11

[Ichimaru Gin]

Play: 11

Nice! That kills it right?

[Hydrad]

Play: 11

Nice! That kills it right?

Hopefully. Unless scum has even more ways to stop us. Or actually I wonder if its dead right now? or if we have to wait until the end of the day for it to die.

[BoxOfDOG]

Also. It's demanded of me that I say this:
I may be unavailable from 7:00 PM tonight to late 28th/early 29th.

I'm not entirely sure on the situation. I MAY be able to post during this time, but at the same time I wouldn't count on it to much.
Hopefully my contribution to the thread will be enough to impede the incurring wrath of Jimmmmm.

[BoxOfDOG]

Also. It's demanded of me that I say this:
I may be unavailable from 7:00 PM tonight to late 28th/early 29th.

I'm not entirely sure on the situation. I MAY be able to post during this time, but at the same time I wouldn't count on it to much.
Hopefully my contribution to the thread will be enough to impede the incurring wrath of Jimmmmm.

Pacific Daylight Time, to clarify.

[Ichimaru Gin]

Yeah. I was thinking it might be like a hammer, so if at any point we have high enough number to kill it, it dies, but not sure.

So we get a prize or a reward now or I think. Though you're right that scum might still have some tricks. Maybe the troll has a deathrattle 

[pingpongsam]

Last time the monsters didn't die until the day ended iirc.