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[Ichimaru Gin]

vote: witherweaver.

Trying to get details on PR mechanics is a scum trait, since the more information you have on a PR the more you can evaluate its relative utility.

Trying to get details on a PR mechanic (or, anything really) is a me trait, though I didn't really realize I was doing that here.  What were you referring to?

Mm. I kind of agree with this. I've played with WW a lot lately and he always seems curious and theory-heavy, even in HoC I think.

[BoxOfDOG]

Wow. 18 entire pages.. This is embarrassing.

My computer was locked down, so I have to do everything from my Kindle Fire. So expect posts to be kind of awkward and short.
Reading through everything ASAP so I can catch up and see what's going on. (No need to give me an update)

[chairs]

Wow. 18 entire pages.. This is embarrassing.

My computer was locked down, so I have to do everything from my Kindle Fire. So expect posts to be kind of awkward and short.
Reading through everything ASAP so I can catch up and see what's going on. (No need to give me an update)

And this, folks, is why you don't watch porn from FBI headquarters.

[chairs]

vote: witherweaver.

Trying to get details on PR mechanics is a scum trait, since the more information you have on a PR the more you can evaluate its relative utility.

Trying to get details on a PR mechanic (or, anything really) is a me trait, though I didn't really realize I was doing that here.  What were you referring to?

I really felt like this was a veiled "c'mon, mail-mi, slip up and give us your PR"

We are counting on mail-mi on a later day showing us his power. Even if he is scum, he will be forced to use his power in a pro-town way. also, there is an important distinction to be made - does not rolling enable/boost your power, or do you just want to save dice to use your power?

mail-mi, don't answer that, we clearly have a thief amongst us.

Would the Theif behave differently based on the answer? 

I had assume Mail-Mi meant the first from what he said before.  Though I'm not sure why that distinction is important.

The answer to your question is pretty obvious, and in fact I begin to think you are posting these "dumb" questions on purpose.

I'm missing something.  If his dice are good for him, the Thief would want to still them, whether or not they're good for him to use or good for him as a boost.

If mail-mi can convert dice in his supply into power, then the Thief wants to target him. If he just gets something from not rolling, then he's not better as a Thief target than anyone else.

I assumed he would get something by not rolling because then he would have more dice.

Although I might argue that PPS is really furthering that even more than you are, and liopoil's the one who kind of started this egg rolling.

[BoxOfDOG]

Wow. 18 entire pages.. This is embarrassing.

My computer was locked down, so I have to do everything from my Kindle Fire. So expect posts to be kind of awkward and short.
Reading through everything ASAP so I can catch up and see what's going on. (No need to give me an update)

And this, folks, is why you don't watch porn from FBI headquarters.

Ha.. Ha..?

._.
I find that joke very hard to appreciate.

[Witherweaver]

And he comes out firing with a pun!

[BoxOfDOG]

My general idea from reading (*cough*skimming*cough*) through everything..

Ichi feels incredibly defensive about people's position towards him. His low roll calls him out almost automatically as scum (and rightly so).

Faust goes very statistical, laying down some pretty useful information to use as reference in the future.

Liopoli getting a lot of suspicion, not entirely sure on the guy.

Confused read on BA, not sure if trying to divert attention as scum or get confirmation as town with his ridiculously high roll.

And chairs rolls out an inappropriate joke *yay*


Does that sound about right? Cause that's what I grabbed from all this.
Also, I rolled my dice and the results should come in pretty soon if Jimmmmmm logs on.

[BoxOfDOG]

One last thing..

My supply went down from 13 to 15.. Is this due to being inactive, or did someone take my dice? Q-Q
*notentirelysureifIshouldbepostingthisinformationonlyplayedlike4gamesofmafiaonhere*

[Beyond Awesome]

Yay! Box has logged on. Also, I don't think you should tell people how many dice you have.

[BoxOfDOG]

Yay! Box has logged on. Also, I don't think you should tell people how many dice you have.

ERFGABLERGH.

I knew it!
CURSE YOU LACK-OF-EDIT BUTTON!

[Witherweaver]

One last thing..

My supply went down from 13 to 15.. Is this due to being inactive, or did someone take my dice? Q-Q
*notentirelysureifIshouldbepostingthisinformationonlyplayedlike4gamesofmafiaonhere*

Well, first, 15 is bigger than 13 so there's an issue. (har har)

Secondly, slow down.  Do you understand what's going on with the monsters, the dice mechanic, the need for us to kill him, and all that stuff?

[BoxOfDOG]

One last thing..

My supply went down from 13 to 15.. Is this due to being inactive, or did someone take my dice? Q-Q
*notentirelysureifIshouldbepostingthisinformationonlyplayedlike4gamesofmafiaonhere*

Well, first, 15 is bigger than 13 so there's an issue. (har har)

Secondly, slow down.  Do you understand what's going on with the monsters, the dice mechanic, the need for us to kill him, and all that stuff?

Yeah I do.
I've read through the roles and I was also in.. RMM14? 15? Something like that.

But I made sure to give myself a refresh on the whole dealio and I know what you guys are talking about.

[Witherweaver]

Thirdly, don't give any info away without some kind of understanding that it's a good idea to do so.  Things like number of dice you roll, the values, your role, etc. shouldn't be freely disclosed.

[BoxOfDOG]

One last thing..

My supply went down from 13 to 15.. Is this due to being inactive, or did someone take my dice? Q-Q
*notentirelysureifIshouldbepostingthisinformationonlyplayedlike4gamesofmafiaonhere*

Well, first, 15 is bigger than 13 so there's an issue. (har har)

Secondly, slow down.  Do you understand what's going on with the monsters, the dice mechanic, the need for us to kill him, and all that stuff?

Yeah I do.
I've read through the roles and I was also in.. RMM14? 15? Something like that.

But I made sure to give myself a refresh on the whole dealio and I know what you guys are talking about.

WOOPS! 15 to 13. I had that wrong. I keep getting confused by the down-to-up way of posting on Quicktopic.

[BoxOfDOG]

Thirdly, don't give any info away without some kind of understanding that it's a good idea to do so.  Things like number of dice you roll, the values, your role, etc. shouldn't be freely disclosed.

Yeah I caught that.
That was me being a dumb.. 5 minutes ago. So I'll make sure to stahpit.

[Witherweaver]

One last thing..

My supply went down from 13 to 15.. Is this due to being inactive, or did someone take my dice? Q-Q
*notentirelysureifIshouldbepostingthisinformationonlyplayedlike4gamesofmafiaonhere*

Well, first, 15 is bigger than 13 so there's an issue. (har har)

Secondly, slow down.  Do you understand what's going on with the monsters, the dice mechanic, the need for us to kill him, and all that stuff?

Yeah I do.
I've read through the roles and I was also in.. RMM14? 15? Something like that.

But I made sure to give myself a refresh on the whole dealio and I know what you guys are talking about.

Alright, so basically, (someone jump in if I'm misspeaking):

The troll is at 910, so we need 90 to kill him.  This means that if just you roll, you need a 10.  The number of dice you need to roll to ensure you do that to some probability can be computed.  If Mail-Mi rolls as well, then you just need 90 between the two of you.

I think the only person in the "Mail-Mi should roll before Box" corner is Ash, so I'd say go ahead and roll some dice and play a high number.

[Witherweaver]

Oh, I see you said you already rolled.  Okay.

[BoxOfDOG]

One last thing..

My supply went down from 13 to 15.. Is this due to being inactive, or did someone take my dice? Q-Q
*notentirelysureifIshouldbepostingthisinformationonlyplayedlike4gamesofmafiaonhere*

Well, first, 15 is bigger than 13 so there's an issue. (har har)

Secondly, slow down.  Do you understand what's going on with the monsters, the dice mechanic, the need for us to kill him, and all that stuff?

Yeah I do.
I've read through the roles and I was also in.. RMM14? 15? Something like that.

But I made sure to give myself a refresh on the whole dealio and I know what you guys are talking about.

Alright, so basically, (someone jump in if I'm misspeaking):

The troll is at 910, so we need 90 to kill him.  This means that if just you roll, you need a 10.  The number of dice you need to roll to ensure you do that to some probability can be computed.  If Mail-Mi rolls as well, then you just need 90 between the two of you.

I think the only person in the "Mail-Mi should roll before Box" corner is Ash, so I'd say go ahead and roll some dice and play a high number.

That entire situation seems kind of strange.

I don't really feel like pointing out the obvious, but it could be a pretty townie move to save his dice for a later date. But at the same time pretty scummy.
But I'd have to disagree with Mr. Ashersky, Mail rolling before me doesn't really make sense if we go by what Mail-mi is claiming.

[Witherweaver]

Well, Ash is arguing that not rolling is anti-town, and that claiming that you have a strong town PR that requires you to save your dice is a great cover for having a scum PR that uses dice.  I expect Ash to go after Mail-Mi for this regardless of Ash's alignment.  That being said, it feels a little more like WoT Ash (scum) than Innovation Ash (town).

[Ichimaru Gin]

Well obviously, scum has a vested interest in playing low numbers. I see the argument, but it's really 100% WIFOM. Aside from reads separate from the numbers that someone plays, there is no way to tell if they are unlucky town or lying scum. I hope that people see this.
To me, this is one of the things that makes this setup really interesting. It would be pretty dull if faust was right and it's just a cut and dry low number = scum (which of course it isn't).

Why do you continue to choose to ignore that the low roll is not the only thing I find you scummy for?

My roll was the first scummy thing you found about me--and it was the instigator to solidifying your reads on me.
I responded to your accusations and you found me even scummier for it. So, your calling me our for my low roll forms the foundation of your reads on me.

I am so tired of trying to argue this. In fact, I don't think I'm going to argue to defend my low play any more. If you can't see it by this point, it doesn't matter.

[BoxOfDOG]

Well, Ash is arguing that not rolling is anti-town, and that claiming that you have a strong town PR that requires you to save your dice is a great cover for having a scum PR that uses dice.  I expect Ash to go after Mail-Mi for this regardless of Ash's alignment.  That being said, it feels a little more like WoT Ash (scum) than Innovation Ash (town).

Interesting. At the current moment I feel like a spectator analyzing the situation from afar.. Which isn't a good thing, as far as I can tell.

But I think it's pretty clear where Ash is coming from.
This entire time Mail-mi has had every opportunity to roll his dice, and there was no clear possibility that I would actually log on. Doesn't that come off as a bit strange..?

[Ichimaru Gin]

Ichi feels incredibly defensive about people's position towards him. His low roll calls him out almost automatically as scum (and rightly so).

No read on Volt?

I know you're new (and this is also a very different setup) but did you know that you have to play a dice if you roll over a certain number of dice--and also that these numbers are randomized?

Dah. I'm tired of this conversation anyway.

[Ichimaru Gin]

Well, Ash is arguing that not rolling is anti-town, and that claiming that you have a strong town PR that requires you to save your dice is a great cover for having a scum PR that uses dice.  I expect Ash to go after Mail-Mi for this regardless of Ash's alignment.  That being said, it feels a little more like WoT Ash (scum) than Innovation Ash (town).

Interesting. At the current moment I feel like a spectator analyzing the situation from afar.. Which isn't a good thing, as far as I can tell.

But I think it's pretty clear where Ash is coming from.
This entire time Mail-mi has had every opportunity to roll his dice, and there was no clear possibility that I would actually log on. Doesn't that come off as a bit strange..?

Well we have plenty of time to sort this out, so not really. mail-mi has like 6 days to roll if he wants.

vote: Box

I get an extremely newbie scum feeling from him.

[Ichimaru Gin]

Edit: XerxesPraelor has been attacked by the Troll.
Score: 640

Hydrad plays 7
Score: 810 689

This is the edit in question. What do we make of it? "Has been attacked by the Troll"? Does this imply non-mafia interactions? The first reroll didn't have that clause, right?

Also. Damn this is very scary. Can anyone run the numbers that we need now in order to beat the troll?

[BoxOfDOG]

Well obviously, scum has a vested interest in playing low numbers. I see the argument, but it's really 100% WIFOM. Aside from reads separate from the numbers that someone plays, there is no way to tell if they are unlucky town or lying scum. I hope that people see this.
To me, this is one of the things that makes this setup really interesting. It would be pretty dull if faust was right and it's just a cut and dry low number = scum (which of course it isn't).

Why do you continue to choose to ignore that the low roll is not the only thing I find you scummy for?

My roll was the first scummy thing you found about me--and it was the instigator to solidifying your reads on me.
I responded to your accusations and you found me even scummier for it. So, your calling me our for my low roll forms the foundation of your reads on me.

I am so tired of trying to argue this. In fact, I don't think I'm going to argue to defend my low play any more. If you can't see it by this point, it doesn't matter.

I don't have a direct response to Ichi here.. That said, people tend to act differently toward different attitudes directed towards them. This can be displayed easily by accusing something on something they did not do, they'll likely feel pretty defensive.

Ichi feels incredibly defensive about people's position towards him. His low roll calls him out almost automatically as scum (and rightly so).

No read on Volt?

I know you're new (and this is also a very different setup) but did you know that you have to play a dice if you roll over a certain number of dice--and also that these numbers are randomized?

Dah. I'm tired of this conversation anyway.

I know all of these things. Referring to what was already said, Scum has a vested interest in putting low numbers and defending it to make themselves seem like the unlucky town.

And I don't really have a read of Voltaire. *shrug*
Is that a big deal? I'm only pointing out what I found most significant throughout my little binge-reading escapade.