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[jotheonah]

Reading the QT's is so fun.

I am of course pretty noob but I did slip on purpose, thinking that it would be good for town and would give me personal town points. Also i did like the idea of creating a bit 'real content' on day one. And any comments about it I posted have a real truth in it.

Neat idea. Dangerous game though. Claiming VT seems harmless, but it's a big help for scum -- it shrinks the pool out of which they can fish for power roles.

[pacovf]

The other problem with claiming VT is that mafia has no incentive to lynch you. Which means that mafia can claim VT, and then they've got an easy excuse to explain why they aren't getting Night Killed.

I would have a question: how much are you supposed to defend yourself from accusations? I know I've been accused of being overly defensive, but someone else (don't remember who right now) got some slack because he wasn't defending himself at all. What is town supposed to do?

[Eevee]

I think defending yourself is great. One of the big aspects of good town play is convincing others you are town.

[pacovf]

I feel like you weren't saying that as you were pushing your case on me.

[2.71828.....]

yeah, but it is still the best thing to do.  And look what happened.  You convinced enough people that you were town and got around to a mail-mi lynch.  And won the game.

Either way, if you are able to defend yourself well, it forces people to attack you with equal vigor, which might sometimes catch scum.  Or not.

[jotheonah]

The other problem with claiming VT is that mafia has no incentive to lynch you. Which means that mafia can claim VT, and then they've got an easy excuse to explain why they aren't getting Night Killed.

I would have a question: how much are you supposed to defend yourself from accusations? I know I've been accused of being overly defensive, but someone else (don't remember who right now) got some slack because he wasn't defending himself at all. What is town supposed to do?

There are lots of things in mafia that seem like can't win scenarios, and that's not an accident. I think the thing to do is to patiently defend yourself from all real attacks. The scumtell is when the defense is disproportionately large. No defense is also scummy, because it starts to look like a "maybe if I ignore it it will go away"

[jotheonah]

pacovf for MVP here FOR SURE.

[2.71828.....]

But it should at least keep the game moving, which is more enjoyable for everyone.

I know I would much rather go down guns blazing then timidly not arguing for myself

[pacovf]

Ok, thanks for the answers!

pacovf for MVP here FOR SURE.

Haha, if I hadn't gone out of my way to not lynch newbies D1, D2 would have been so much easier on town 

[Witherweaver]

Ok, thanks for the answers!

pacovf for MVP here FOR SURE.

Haha, if I hadn't gone out of my way to not lynch newbies D1, D2 would have been so much easier on town 

Yeah, though on my end I don't really think you would have tried that as scum, unless you were really desperate.  I can see TA's argument that you would have been desperate in this situation, but still I think a better play would have been to just bus your partner and act super townie.

[EgorK]

This game we figured it out without any special role information,

Don't know. Would you have moved your vote away from me if I hadn't suddenly said that I didn't want to lynch TA, and that I was happy dying? Because that wouldn't have happened without Hydrad.

Hard to say, though maybe (words, they are wind).

Power roles certainly played an unusually small role in this game.

Well, that is expected with just 1 night

[sudgy]

I'm finally getting around to this.  First, a bit of commentary: as soon as SK was getting heat, I could tell that the mafia were going down.  I couldn't see too much to implicate people other than mail-mi (though I was wrong about that, of course).  About halfway through D2 I could see nobody was agreeing on some of the major suspects, and I realized they would probably all just say that they were okay with mail-mi and then lynch him.

...and look what happened.

Pacovf for MVP, for extremely pro-town play (mostly), and stopping his lynch on D2.

[AndrewisFTTW]

That's the second flawless town win in a row with Matrix6. Hmmm...

[Eevee]

I think newbie games favor town. Scum is hard to play, especially at first.

[mail-mi]

yeah, with my business and not being able to be around for the sk lynch, i knew i was doomed.

[ashersky]

I had no idea this game ended.

[sudgy]

I had no idea this game ended.

Probably because I wasn't around for the game end and the title wasn't changed.