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Axxle

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Re: Mafia XLIV: Donald's Greater Idea Mafia (Day 2!)
« Reply #1100 on: June 05, 2014, 03:05:30 am »

Can we have nik say an order too? Haha
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Re: Mafia XLIV: Donald's Greater Idea Mafia (Day 2!)
« Reply #1101 on: June 05, 2014, 03:18:13 am »

What's the case on egorK?

I'm a vanilla cop and I targeted ww last night. He's vanilla.
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Re: Mafia XLIV: Donald's Greater Idea Mafia (Day 2!)
« Reply #1102 on: June 05, 2014, 03:22:13 am »

Who did you target night 1?
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Re: Mafia XLIV: Donald's Greater Idea Mafia (Day 2!)
« Reply #1103 on: June 05, 2014, 03:22:58 am »

And why did you target either?

Egor claim asap
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Re: Mafia XLIV: Donald's Greater Idea Mafia (Day 2!)
« Reply #1104 on: June 05, 2014, 03:28:33 am »

Can we have nik say an order too? Haha
As long as he puts his partner first!
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Re: Mafia XLIV: Donald's Greater Idea Mafia (Day 2!)
« Reply #1105 on: June 05, 2014, 03:29:26 am »

I targeted him because he hadn't claimed yet and stuck out to me more than the other people who also hadn't. I actually forgot to target anyone N1 - I think I didn't realize how short the deadline was.
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Re: Mafia XLIV: Donald's Greater Idea Mafia (Day 2!)
« Reply #1106 on: June 05, 2014, 03:40:46 am »

That sounds like a really easy fakeclaim, cop someone who has already flipped, and then claim to have forgotten to target anyone N1 so you don't have to defend your choice in who you targeted.
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Re: Mafia XLIV: Donald's Greater Idea Mafia (Day 2!)
« Reply #1107 on: June 05, 2014, 04:07:05 am »

Yeah, it's too bad. Want me to vanilla cop someone who hasn't claimed to show I am one actually?
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Re: Mafia XLIV: Donald's Greater Idea Mafia (Day 2!)
« Reply #1108 on: June 05, 2014, 04:08:10 am »

Anyway, let's lynch egorK, and when he flips scum, you'll know that I'm telling the truth.
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Re: Mafia XLIV: Donald's Greater Idea Mafia (Day 2!)
« Reply #1109 on: June 05, 2014, 04:13:48 am »

I'm sure s_p is a watcher based on this, but watching your partner is what scum would do. I think his role is pretty useful for town, though, so we should let him live for now. I'm still suspicious of BA, despite his claim. I think he should maybe treestump himself today, and definitely tomorrow if he survives and there's an even number of people.
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Re: Mafia XLIV: Donald's Greater Idea Mafia (Day 2!)
« Reply #1110 on: June 05, 2014, 04:19:53 am »

I'm guessing the remaining scum is egorK, s_p, and BA. Egotistical is the most urgent one, because his death will clear me. vote: egorK
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Re: Mafia XLIV: Donald's Greater Idea Mafia (Day 2!)
« Reply #1111 on: June 05, 2014, 04:25:28 am »

Yeah, it's too bad. Want me to vanilla cop someone who hasn't claimed to show I am one actually?

It would be nice, except that after EgorK claims, Archetype will be the only one left who hasn't claimed (and there's no guarantee he'll survive anyway).  I mean if you're town then it sucks because it just looks like such an easy fakeclaim and there's nothing you can do about it, but if the prevailing opinion ends up being that EgorK's claim is much more believable than yours, we're going to lynch you first.

Anyway, let's lynch egorK, and when he flips scum, you'll know that I'm telling the truth.

1. There's no reason to think you're not both scum.  You could be different scum factions who both tried to kill WW last night, or you could even be scum partners such that one of you wanted to kill WW and the other wanted to do something else to him (though I'm not sure what that would be).

2. It's not like we have a lot of wiggle room for mislynches.  We absolutely should try to maximize our chances of lynching scum today because I'm pretty sure we just lose if we mislynch*.  What I'm saying is, if you're scum telling us to lynch EgorK first, if he flips town, it's too late for us to do much about it; so we can't listen to you just tell us to lynch EgorK first and then lynch you if he flips town.

*There's 7 of us left, if we mislynch that's 6 with 3 NK's, we have to hope at most 1 scum survives and we find them on the last day, so I guess it's possible to win if we mislynch today but I think it's a pretty bad chance.
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Re: Mafia XLIV: Donald's Greater Idea Mafia (Day 2!)
« Reply #1112 on: June 05, 2014, 04:32:12 am »

I'm sure s_p is a watcher based on this, but watching your partner is what scum would do.

Why do people keep saying this?  I'm not denying that it might be the best way for a scum watcher to play, I just don't see why it would be the case, and people keep saying it without explanation.  I mean I watched Voltaire N1 and I'm obviously not alien since alien watcher doesn't exist.  I want to watch the non-me person I think is most likely to be NK'd, regardless of that person's alignment.
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Re: Mafia XLIV: Donald's Greater Idea Mafia (Day 2!)
« Reply #1113 on: June 05, 2014, 04:40:20 am »

I am Gravedigger aka Graverobber
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Re: Mafia XLIV: Donald's Greater Idea Mafia (Day 2!)
« Reply #1114 on: June 05, 2014, 05:23:31 am »

SP is most likely tracker as I targeted WW during night. On the other hand I suspect he is werewolf tracker

Anyway, Vote: XP until his explanation

This is why claiming is useful - sometimes you catch scum in a lie.
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Re: Mafia XLIV: Donald's Greater Idea Mafia (Day 2!)
« Reply #1115 on: June 05, 2014, 05:29:19 am »

Being a gravedigger is very different from actually targeting someone. This is obviously clumsy scum.
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Re: Mafia XLIV: Donald's Greater Idea Mafia (Day 2!)
« Reply #1116 on: June 05, 2014, 06:30:49 am »

S_p, what do you think about this?
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Re: Mafia XLIV: Donald's Greater Idea Mafia (Day 2!)
« Reply #1117 on: June 05, 2014, 06:32:38 am »

Is everyone asleep or something? This is the first time I caught someone in a lie, and I'm surprised noone's voting him.
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Re: Mafia XLIV: Donald's Greater Idea Mafia (Day 2!)
« Reply #1118 on: June 05, 2014, 06:41:36 am »

BTW, 3 people died last night, so the situation where we both tried to NK is impossible.
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Re: Mafia XLIV: Donald's Greater Idea Mafia (Day 2!)
« Reply #1119 on: June 05, 2014, 08:00:44 am »

Being a gravedigger is very different from actually targeting someone. This is obviously clumsy scum.

You try to make case on nothing. Context of my message was obviously in regard to SP as watcher. And for all means I targeted NK (interesting question whether I targeted treestumps, probably not), just I did it involontary

Now I even more confident in my vote for you
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Re: Mafia XLIV: Donald's Greater Idea Mafia (Day 2!)
« Reply #1120 on: June 05, 2014, 10:29:53 am »

Okay, I am really confused right now.

How exactly does Gravedigger work? Does it target a NK like EgorK is saying or what? If so, then shouldn't he have targeted just SP, the watcher?
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Re: Mafia XLIV: Donald's Greater Idea Mafia (Day 2!)
« Reply #1121 on: June 05, 2014, 10:30:52 am »

I also would like joth to give some insight into all of this.
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Re: Mafia XLIV: Donald's Greater Idea Mafia (Day 2!)
« Reply #1122 on: June 05, 2014, 10:32:19 am »

Okay, so I think I understand Gravedigger better. It says that it targets the NK's player tracking them back to watchers and trackers. So, it would be EgorK targeting WW.

In that case, I feel EgorK's claim is more believable. We already had 2 dead cops D1 after all.
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Re: Mafia XLIV: Donald's Greater Idea Mafia (Day 2!)
« Reply #1123 on: June 05, 2014, 10:40:47 am »


Vote Count 3.1

Archetype (1): Ichimaru Gin
XerxesPraelor (2): Beyond Awesome, EgorK
scott_pilgrim (1): Archetype

Not Voting (3): Axxle, scott_pilgrim, XerxesPraelor

With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch.

Day 3 ends on Saturday June 14 at 4:30 PM FT.
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Re: Mafia XLIV: Donald's Greater Idea Mafia (Day 2!)
« Reply #1124 on: June 05, 2014, 12:18:04 pm »

Will someone who isn't scum please comment?

Gravedigger does not target all people NKd. It is seen targeting the NK by trackers and watchers.
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