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[faust]

Considering wagons, I don't like the WW wagon much because of the people that are on it, and because it seems a "convenient" lynch. I don't like a mail-mi lynch because that's just too easy, and such an easy mislynch, even though I trust the players voting for him more. So I'll start my own wagon.

Vote: DeDe

His turnaround is really strange and weakly explained. Just rereading never got me from turning a "definite" townread into a "definite" scumread.

Does this (using "mislynch") imply that you think Mail-Mi is town?

No, I'm null on mail-mi. Just think that it's an easy wagon to push, and if scum wants to create a wagon, they might resort to mail-mi.

[faust]

That said, mail-mi's exchange with Axxle leaves me with a townier feeling on mail-mi.

[chairs]

Sorry about the V/LA guys, I'll catch up ASAP but can't do so at work.

[EFHW]

Considering wagons, I don't like the WW wagon much because of the people that are on it, and because it seems a "convenient" lynch. I don't like a mail-mi lynch because that's just too easy, and such an easy mislynch, even though I trust the players voting for him more. So I'll start my own wagon.

Vote: DeDe

His turnaround is really strange and weakly explained. Just rereading never got me from turning a "definite" townread into a "definite" scumread.

Does this (using "mislynch") imply that you think Mail-Mi is town?

No, I'm null on mail-mi. Just think that it's an easy wagon to push, and if scum wants to create a wagon, they might resort to mail-mi.

I agree that mail-mi would be chosen as a mislynch target b/c of how he plays, and this leads me to look at Axxle and Andrew and WW, who are the ones on his wagon and who have all posted arguing against mail-mi since I said I saw him as town.  They are my lynch pool for today. 

[AndrewisFTTW]

Considering wagons, I don't like the WW wagon much because of the people that are on it, and because it seems a "convenient" lynch. I don't like a mail-mi lynch because that's just too easy, and such an easy mislynch, even though I trust the players voting for him more. So I'll start my own wagon.

Vote: DeDe

His turnaround is really strange and weakly explained. Just rereading never got me from turning a "definite" townread into a "definite" scumread.

Does this (using "mislynch") imply that you think Mail-Mi is town?

No, I'm null on mail-mi. Just think that it's an easy wagon to push, and if scum wants to create a wagon, they might resort to mail-mi.

I agree that mail-mi would be chosen as a mislynch target b/c of how he plays, and this leads me to look at Axxle and Andrew and WW, who are the ones on his wagon and who have all posted arguing against mail-mi since I said I saw him as town.  They are my lynch pool for today.

Actually I'm not on mail-mi's wagon and neither is Axxle anymore. But anyway you guys can say mail-mi has been mislynched a lot but that doesn't mean anything to me this game. I'm looking at how he's acting THIS game for my read on him and to me, it's suspicious. And I'm sure we've all been mislynched more than once so I don't see how that argument has any sway.

But I'd much rather lynch DD today. What do you guys think of him?

[EFHW]

sorry, I misread my notes.

[EFHW]

I wouldn't normally vote this early as IC, but I think we will definitely need time to make the right decision, and I think mail-mi is a mislynch, and maybe DD as well. 

Vote: Andrew.  I feel his was the scummiest response to Robz's revelation, and he has received almost no scrutiny.

We need town to be active Today, even if that's not your normal inclination!

[Witherweaver]

I don't think I get a scum feeling from Andrew at all.  If anything I'm slight town.  Do you see things other than his response to Robz?

Question to Andrew/other people voting DeDe: Why do you think he's been after Faust so much?  I believe he tried to make an argument before today, and the only other person to seriously suspect Faust that I can remember was Yuma in twilight of Day 1.

[AndrewisFTTW]

You mean DD? I didn't realize he was suspecting Faust, maybe because DD is just lurking so much. I'll reread again but lurking is another strike for DD. The way it looks to me is new scum not really sure what to post, but when he does post it's empty and lacking.

[Witherweaver]

You mean DD? I didn't realize he was suspecting Faust, maybe because DD is just lurking so much. I'll reread again but lurking is another strike for DD. The way it looks to me is new scum not really sure what to post, but when he does post it's empty and lacking.

Hm, he opened today with voting Faust, and I'm sure he brought it up before.  I'll try to find it.

[Witherweaver]

Ah, it was his first big read post back on Day 1: http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=10846.msg376670#msg376670

[EFHW]

WW can you give yourself a Goko username?  That would make it much easier to search for just your posts.

[Witherweaver]

WW can you give yourself a Goko username?  That would make it much easier to search for just your posts.

Done.

[Axxle]

You mean DD? I didn't realize he was suspecting Faust, maybe because DD is just lurking so much. I'll reread again but lurking is another strike for DD. The way it looks to me is new scum not really sure what to post, but when he does post it's empty and lacking.

I really doubt scum would copy their partner like this:

yuma - Town-y. I think the claim was an interesting thing, and not the smartest if he was being honest, but not counterproductive for town. I'm afraid of a scum NK but ADK pointed out they'll hit ICs first.

What did yuma claim?

Sigh...

Day Vigilante.

yuma - Town-y. I think the claim was an interesting thing, and not the smartest if he was being honest, but not counterproductive for town. I'm afraid of a scum NK but ADK pointed out they'll hit ICs first.

What did yuma claim?

.......

I also don't think that he would unvote joth, while still strongly saying he'd revote, while also not being around to make sure the mislynch happens at the end of the day. I don't see any scum motivation there.

[AndrewisFTTW]

Alright so everybody disagrees with me. I can respect that.

unvote

[Delirious Deleuze]

Hey guys sorry I'm gone. Will try to post something responding to everybody tonight. It's my anniversary with my girlfriend so we'll gone until Friday, but I'll try to do something substantial tonight.

Quick thoughts,

I don't know really what to say about the wagon on me. the arguments are all subjective and saying my post seem forced. I disagree, but that's moot. I'll post more in my defense later, but right now that's what I can say quickly.

As for votes on Andrew: I don't think he's scum at all. He's been constructive, trying to lead new thoughts and arguments and is set in his opinions. He thinks I'm scum, that's whatever, I'm not, but he's definitely being a good town. I don't think I'll vote on him today. I definitely feel he's town.

I still think Faust is scum, the lurking and empty posts are bad too, but I don't think I'd win a wagon here. He's my number one choice for a lunch.

WW: I still think he's scum, but less so than Faust. His posts after I call him out read townie to me, but I think the evidence for the beginning of the game is, I think, large. He'd be my second choice.

Mail-mi - still leaning scum, but possibly SK. He's playing weird, has been lurky, and hasn't made much of a contribution (which is a bit hypocritical for me today, but still.)

I'll have more thoughts tonight. I need to go do errands

[ashersky]

Vote Count 3.6:

WW (1):  DD
mail-mi (2):  WW, Archetype
DD (2):  faust, mail-mi
Andrew (1):  EFHW

Not Voting (3):  chairs, Axxle, Andrew

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Day 3 ends on May 26 at 7:00 p.m.

[EFHW]

@Axxle.  I still don't understand the reasoning behind choosing not to try for the lynchproof.  You had no control over the other houses, so you could assume that one of them would get the prize and then they would have control over it instead of you.  If you could have coordinated with all the houses not to try for it, it could make sense.  But just one house deciding not to seems counterproductive.

[Axxle]

@Axxle.  I still don't understand the reasoning behind choosing not to try for the lynchproof.  You had no control over the other houses, so you could assume that one of them would get the prize and then they would have control over it instead of you.  If you could have coordinated with all the houses not to try for it, it could make sense.  But just one house deciding not to seems counterproductive.

If no one wins the prize it's pro town. If I win the prize, that means someone has won the prize rather than no one. It's a tautology. I don't understand how our group deciding not to go for it is counterproductive.

[Axxle]

Scum seems squarely in mailmi/faust/Ww/Archetype to me.

[Delirious Deleuze]

I don't have the time I thought I would tonight, but I promised to add more, so here:

I think Faust is scum. I've explained before, but his nature in this game is just like when he stayed in the back in HoC and he was scum. I've watched him in other games. Sure, I've only been in three games with him, but he stinks of scum in his post. He's absent, not super constructive, and just hiding in the background it feels. Just like when he's been scum before. I'd be most happy to lynch him, but I don't think that's going to happen, which is why I'm staying on WW.

Of whom, I think the interaction with Teproc is important. They both have "slight scum" reads on each other, which allows them to pivot and say, "Nope! I said they're scummy!?! I can't be scum." Teproc's help on the wagon on WW and then abandoning it is also pressing for me. It seems like something scum partners would construct to make themselves seem more townie after one of the others got lynched or killed. I'd be okay with this lynch, and I think it could happen, and so my vote stays here.

For mail-mi, I think he's scummish. His behavior makes him an easy lynch target and people have jumped on it, but then again, there are reasons his behavior is an easy lynch target: because he's actually scum. Then again, I'm not sure here. Perhaps his post and general lurkiness are because he's not scum, but the SK, and that's why scum was okay with pushing a mail-mi lynch in D1 (thus he's not scum), but he is still acting odd and lurky and absent because he's a SK. Just a thought, I'm not saying he is this. I just think it's a possibility and wanted to map my thoughts. Anyone in my frat who watched me during the google game knows I think like this haha. I'd be okay with a mail-mi lynch, but only as my third choice and with caution.

On my wagon: I don't really get it. It relies on my posts being "forced" and the town read I had on teproc. The first is super subjective, and not thoroughly aggreed on (see WW's defense having been in 3 games with him now.) The read on teproc was wrong. I'm sorry. I don't think smart scum would put such clear reads on there partners. That seems silly for scum to do.

We still have five days, so let's not rush into lynching somebody. We want to make more paths of questioning to analyze in the important D4.

Which makes me ask, what do people think of:

1. Axxle? I think clearly very town, but that's me. If someone even has suspicions, ask questions so we have more to analyze.

2. Arch? He's been really lurky and I don't have much to analyze on him. His absent makes me suspicious... I don't have much of a read on his earlier posts at that. I'm really null. I'd love people to add so we can analyze.

Now, I'm going to go drink champagne with the GF and then we're celebrating our anniversary tomorrow all day and I'll be gone. I'll probably be back Friday evening at some point (Hopefully, I have a friends birthday that night too.)
Have fun!
FIND SCUM!

[Delirious Deleuze]

Oh one last thought, ADK's push for a mail-mi lynch would defend the idea he's the SK, possible. Someone brought this up earlier this day. Just forgot to add that to my mail-mi section.

[EFHW]

@Axxle.  I still don't understand the reasoning behind choosing not to try for the lynchproof.  You had no control over the other houses, so you could assume that one of them would get the prize and then they would have control over it instead of you.  If you could have coordinated with all the houses not to try for it, it could make sense.  But just one house deciding not to seems counterproductive.

If no one wins the prize it's pro town. If I win the prize, that means someone has won the prize rather than no one. It's a tautology. I don't understand how our group deciding not to go for it is counterproductive.

Because you couldn't guarantee that no one would win the prize, only that your house wouldn't.  Also, if you are town, your having the prize would be pro-town and preferable to no one having the prize.

[AndrewisFTTW]

I actually like DD's post here. I have no idea what scum!faust is like but he was buddying with Teproc D1 and has avoided suspicion all game. Arch has been the same way.

[EFHW]

both mail-mi and Archetype are unreadable - one b/c he is always scummy, the other because he rarely posts.  I have some reason to think mail-mi is town, as I said before.  I wouldn't oppose an Archetype lynch based on what we have seen so far.

I agree that Andrew seems very towny for most of the game.  It is his two posts after Robz's report that seem scummy to me.  For reference:

"Andrew:   [Post 1]  Oh hey! So Teproc is scum? I noticed his posts were overly aggressive D1. I need to catch up but after that I'll probably put Teproc at L-1.
       [Post 2]  Yeah I've been getting vibes from mail-mi. And not the good kind. Funny how Teproc and I haven't agreed on anything and you [ADK] and I have agreed on (mostly) everything."

The "Teproc is scum?" sounds artificial.  He refers to his earlier suspicion, and says he and Teproc disagreed throughout the game, which was Teproc's line earlier and therefore sounds like a distancing strategy.  He talks about "vibes" re: mail-mi with no specifics, and he seems to be buddying with ADK.