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[Witherweaver]

The thing is is that I don't believe lying yesterday was the right move.  Let's say Shraeye really is the cop.  Then if he claims, ADK is for sure getting lynched, as we were surely going to choose him over Shraeye.  So we enter today as 4-1 instead of 3-2.  Yes Shraeye is probably dead, but we still have Ichi.  So this scenario is:

WW, Volt, Nik, Faust, Ichi (doctor).

Only one scum here, and we're voting Faust like 100% (even if wrong, that was going to happen).  Even if we're wrong, we enter tomorrow 2 town 1 scum (assuming they kill Ichi).  This still seems a better chance of success than cop!Shraeye convincing everyone today that ADK is lying. 

[Witherweaver]

I think that ADK would have played differently if it were ADK/faust.  Because two scum are in the triple that Volt called out, I think that faust/ADK both push harder to get me mislynched, hoping that they can win a competing cop claim scenario on day3 (they only need 3 mislynches to win...mcmc/shraeye/cop...the only problem is they don't know I'm cop)
So I actually don't think that faust is ADK's partner.  I mean maybe, if ADK is playing scum well, I think he doesn't claim cop when faust is his partner. But it's possible that ADK isn't playing scum well.

ADK/Faust does know you're cop.  ADK fake claims cop and knows that the true cop must be {Nik, WW, Volt, Shraeye}  He knows I'm not going to pull what you did, and Nik isn't either.  I really really don't believe Volt would make such a move, and I more strongly believe that ADK/Faust believe Volt wouldn't do this.  I think at least Faust if not both ADK/Faust know that you're the only player here that would do this (other than possibly Faust, and I'm not sure he would). 

So I think, in the ADK/Faust scum scenario, they knew you were cop once Volt, Nik, and myself responded.

[Witherweaver]

ADK why didn't you investigate Volt when you were so convinced of his scumminess yesterday?

[A Drowned Kernel]

shraeye drew a lot more of my suspicion once Nik flipped town. I debated it for a long time, though, and the scum team could definitely be shraeye/Volt.

[Witherweaver]

Okay I've calmed down a little.  I was really annoyed because I had things figured out if ADK died during night.  I thought about this scenario briefly at one point and I think I realized it would be bad.  Then I put it away and didn't think about it more

Plus, it's scum did exactly the correct thing for them.  So, much annoyance.

[Witherweaver]

shraeye drew a lot more of my suspicion once Nik flipped town. I debated it for a long time, though, and the scum team could definitely be shraeye/Volt.

So why not still investigate volt?

[A Drowned Kernel]

It felt like it would be more informative knowing if shraeye was scum or town. If I had investigated volt and gotten a scum result, I still would have had to find his partner. During the night I was pretty sure that volt was scum, so I thought I had to find the other one, or at least get more information.

I'm starting to regret that a little, as looking back I'm wavering a little on Volt being the other scum, considering how shraeye brought him up right away.

faust understands why I lied yesterday.

This could be him buddying with his partner, but it looks a lot like trying to get a townie on his side. Maybe I should just stick with my original gut read though.

[Voltaire]

HERE AND CATCHING UP

Sorry I missed the deadline, real life, WHY THE #(^#)(^&#)(&^)@#*(&^@(*#& DID YOU GUYS LET SCUM TALK YOU INTO LYNCHING NIK WTFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

now that that's out of my system

It's faust/shraeye. Let's lynch shraeye.

They had to keep the cop alive because my reads are 100% and they are caught. They have to play the WIFOM and have shraeye do this madness to have any chance.

I believe nothing about shraeye's faked reasoning post. I'll re-read it, but bah. Nope nope nope.

I was actually more sure of faust based on the way he behaved at deadline (I'll pull up the post) so let's say faust is 125% scum and shraeye is 100% scum?

[Voltaire]

I'm answering wither, because I don't even follow ADK's accusation.  I'll explain why he's obvscum later.

I'm trying to learn about you.  Because I didn't investigate you, and I didn't hit scum.  So there are 2 players who's alignment I don't confirmed-know.

Then you should know that those two players are scum. 

You - town (ha ahahahahahaha not really but to you)
your result (a VT)
IG - doc
2 other players left - THE SCUM TEAM!


See guys, it doesn't work.

[Voltaire]

Okay I've calmed down a little.  I was really annoyed because I had things figured out if ADK died during night.  I thought about this scenario briefly at one point and I think I realized it would be bad.  Then I put it away and didn't think about it more

Plus, it's scum did exactly the correct thing for them.  So, much annoyance.

This WIFOM was their only chance.

Wanna hammer shraeye?

[Voltaire]

With me, of course, I mean. YOu don't have to commit now if you don't want to, I'm still catching up and I can do more reasonable posts if they'll be helpful but I mean it's 10000000000000000000% obvious to me right now.

[Voltaire]

I'm answering wither, because I don't even follow ADK's accusation.  I'll explain why he's obvscum later.

I'm trying to learn about you.  Because I didn't investigate you, and I didn't hit scum.  So there are 2 players who's alignment I don't confirmed-know.

Then you should know that those two players are scum. 

You - town (ha ahahahahahaha not really but to you)
your result (a VT)
IG - doc
2 other players left - THE SCUM TEAM!


See guys, it doesn't work.

This above is the reason why it is ok to lynch shraeye now.

Oh, it was faust who drew votes, not shraeye?

Well, let's go with the 100%.

vote: shraeye

Shraeye, if you really were the cop, you should have gotten us to lynch ADK, not Nik. But that's ok, you're just scum.

[Voltaire]

I'm answering wither, because I don't even follow ADK's accusation.  I'll explain why he's obvscum later.

I'm trying to learn about you.  Because I didn't investigate you, and I didn't hit scum.  So there are 2 players who's alignment I don't confirmed-know.

Then you should know that those two players are scum. 

You - town (ha ahahahahahaha not really but to you)
your result (a VT)
IG - doc
2 other players left - THE SCUM TEAM!


See guys, it doesn't work.

It's even worse than this. Shraeye should "know" that ADK is "scum".

shraeye - "town"
IG - doc, town
ADK - "claimed" cop, "scum"
faust/Voltaire - one is his "town" result, the other is the remaining scum

Shraeye should be able to 100% POE the team right now, but he hasn't.

 

[Voltaire]

Oh, IG is dead.

unvote

 

All the dumb emoticons for me!

It's still faust/shraeye though.

[Voltaire]

No, I'm still that confident.

vote: shraeye

[Voltaire]

unvote

checking something real quick

[Witherweaver]

It felt like it would be more informative knowing if shraeye was scum or town. If I had investigated volt and gotten a scum result, I still would have had to find his partner. During the night I was pretty sure that volt was scum, so I thought I had to find the other one, or at least get more information.

I'm starting to regret that a little, as looking back I'm wavering a little on Volt being the other scum, considering how shraeye brought him up right away.

faust understands why I lied yesterday.

This could be him buddying with his partner, but it looks a lot like trying to get a townie on his side. Maybe I should just stick with my original gut read though.

Why buddy his partner?  Mislynch means he wins, and if we lynch him and he's scum, why buddy Faust?

[Witherweaver]

I want Faust.  We can figure out Shraye/ADK tomorrow.

/vote Faust

[Voltaire]

I want Faust.  We can figure out Shraye/ADK tomorrow.

/vote Faust

I mean, yes, but the world in which you are scum!MVP requires this. We literally have two claimed cops. There can only be one. I am not lynching anyone but shraeye or ADK today, and I am not lynching ADK who is the cop.

[Witherweaver]

But whether Shraeye or ADK is scum, I think Faust is the partner.

[Voltaire]

But whether Shraeye or ADK is scum, I think Faust is the partner.

Oh, I agree.

But you see why I have to check against the scenario where you are scum, right?

[Witherweaver]

But whether Shraeye or ADK is scum, I think Faust is the partner.

Sure, but I want to win.
Oh, I agree.

But you see why I have to check against the scenario where you are scum, right?

[Witherweaver]

Grr, quote fail.  Reply:

Sure, but I want to win.

[Voltaire]

Uhh, do we really want to do this? Major FOS on Voltaire for urging people to mass-claim without discussion. If ADK is the Cop, well we'll know by tomorrow because scum is gonna kill him 100%. If he's not, he's successfully trying to get the Cop outed. And Voltaire helps with that.

And then instantly saying "let's lynch either faust or shraeye" without considering other options with this new information...

No, FOS is not enough. Vote: Voltaire.

This is faust's "Hi, I'm scum!" post. He:

1) accused me of starting a mass-claim, something that had been debated extensively and given the go-ahead by the IC
2) not considering that ADK's claim prevented his lynch
3) accusing me of "instantly" saying I would lynch either him or shraeye, when I spent almost the entire day scumhunting and POEing and everything down to a pool where 2 of 3 are scum, and with 1 of those players confirmed town, wanting to lynch the scum team

It's desperate, it's weak, it's scum.

[Voltaire]

Grr, quote fail.  Reply:

Sure, but I want to win.

What do you mean?