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[shraeye]

Gah, no, we have to pick something. vote: shraeye. That's L-1 on shraeye (which Nik didn't announce - Nik, it's bad form not to announce that the next vote will hammer/lynch someone).

If you want to vote shraeye, don't hammer him (or we lynch you tomorrow for being obv!scum). State intent to hammer, and then shraeye gets a chance to claim.

What is meant by 'hammer' and 'L-1?'

dude, you already asked this question once.  dude!  dude!  I explained it to you.  You cannot wear the newbie-veil that hard unless you're trying.  I don't see it happening naturally.

[shraeye]

Gah, no, we have to pick something. vote: shraeye. That's L-1 on shraeye (which Nik didn't announce - Nik, it's bad form not to announce that the next vote will hammer/lynch someone).

If you want to vote shraeye, don't hammer him (or we lynch you tomorrow for being obv!scum). State intent to hammer, and then shraeye gets a chance to claim.

What is meant by 'hammer' and 'L-1?'

Why does Nik have to ask about L-1 again, after asking *twice* on day 1:

In that case I will unvote

The way Ichi goes back and forth with putting mcmc at L-1 is most interesting.

Umm...I'm sorry, what does L-1 mean? Also, what does Ichi have to do with me unvoting?

Again, what does L-1 mean?

It means that somebody is 1 vote away from being locked in as the lynch.  As soon as somebody reaches 5 votes (in general, it is the smallest integer that is > half the townsize), the day is over, although a brief twilight-period may exist where the thread is still open, and we can still post.  But the lynch has been decided at that point.

Plus hammering was talked about multiple times on day 1.

unvote

Ah shit.

Nik, explanation? 'Cause this makes you look like 100% coached scum.

Because I didn't really understand Sgraeye's explanation, and he first time it wasn't answered.

I dare you to say again taht you did not understand my explanation.  It was crystal clear.

Again, what does L-1 mean?

It means that somebody is 1 vote away from being locked in as the lynch.  As soon as somebody reaches 5 votes (in general, it is the smallest integer that is > half the townsize), the day is over, although a brief twilight-period may exist where the thread is still open, and we can still post.  But the lynch has been decided at that point.

[shraeye]

whoa.  just saw that ADK claimed cop.  Well that should solve things.  Without a counterclaim, it's got to be Nik/faust then.  Perfect.

Voltaire, I have no idea why you will not look at Nik.  Check out the things I've posted this morning.  Nik is really really really suspicious.  Faust is also suspicious, but there are occasional saving graces.  I see no saving graces for Nik.  I mean, either one is a win.  So whatevs.

vote: Nik

[Witherweaver]

whoa.  just saw that ADK claimed cop.  Well that should solve things.  Without a counterclaim, it's got to be Nik/faust then.  Perfect.

Voltaire, I have no idea why you will not look at Nik.  Check out the things I've posted this morning.  Nik is really really really suspicious.  Faust is also suspicious, but there are occasional saving graces.  I see no saving graces for Nik.  I mean, either one is a win.  So whatevs.

vote: Nik

I'm increasingly suspicious of Nik, but I'd rather vote against someone who would be his partner today than him. 

[Witherweaver]

Are Faust and Shraeye not going to claim now? 

Faust, you originally said ADK should claim.  What did you expect to happen if he claimed cop?  I had thought it was understood that, if the claim was false, the true cop would counterclaim. 

[shraeye]

Are Faust and Shraeye not going to claim now? 

What do you mean by this?  I thought we both did.

[Witherweaver]

Are Faust and Shraeye not going to claim now? 

What do you mean by this?  I thought we both did.

By omission?  It looked like Faust was arguing against people saying whether or not they're the cop, and I didn't see you address it.  I may have missed something though.

[shraeye]

Oh, I see that I was the one who misread Faust. 

Faust, the cats out of the bag, whether you like it or not.  Are you cop? Or is ADK cop?

[Witherweaver]

Uhh, do we really want to do this? Major FOS on Voltaire for urging people to mass-claim without discussion. If ADK is the Cop, well we'll know by tomorrow because scum is gonna kill him 100%. If he's not, he's successfully trying to get the Cop outed. And Voltaire helps with that.

And then instantly saying "let's lynch either faust or shraeye" without considering other options with this new information...

No, FOS is not enough. Vote: Voltaire.

Gah, Vote: Faust.  This just does not seem like the right argument to make.  Three people have already claimed before this post (not counting Ichi).. only ones left are Faust and Shraeye.  At this point if ADK is faking, then scum has a 50% chance at cop at worst, and if one of Faust/Shraeye is scum it's 100%. 

[Teproc]

Vote Count 2.6:

shraeye (1): Ichimaru Gin
Voltaire (1): faust
faust (1): Witherweaver

Not Voting (4): A Drowned Kernel, shraeye, Voltaire, Nik

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

Day 2 ends at 4:00 p.m. on April 8, 2014 (in less than 3 hours).

[shraeye]

vote: faust

[shraeye]

Now is the absolute worst time for a no lynhh.  One of the benefits of no lynch is the extra time for investigations and forcing scum to remove unknowns from the lynch pool.  With 2 claimed PRs with a doc who can't save the cop, we will lose both advatages. It will be the worst.  We must lynch.

[Witherweaver]

Nik, what are your thoughts on Faust?

Volt, Ichi?

[Witherweaver]

I'm the cop. Can we please talk about a Voltaire lynch now?

No.

Everyone claim if you're the cop or not.

I'm not.

If ADK is telling the truth, we lynch either shraeye or faust and I don't really care which.

I am not the cop. But now that we know that our strongest lynch candidate is town, then it's really only between Shraeye and Faust. Faust seems kind of towny, and since Shraeye says he's really busy, so I say we don't lynch now.

Nik we have to lynch now.  What do you feel about a Faust lynch?

[shraeye]

anyone online at all?

Wither, what do you think about Nik?

[Witherweaver]

anyone online at all?

Wither, what do you think about Nik?

I think that I want him to say many more things.

[shraeye]

ok, sure.  But I mean like in terms of your assessment of his alignment.  you know, mafia shizzz.

[Ichimaru Gin]

I feel that Nik has had almost zero suspicion--but not because he has not been acting scummy.
His votes on Voltaire, repetition of questions, and other behavior seem like newbie scum to me.

I would actually be ok lynching Nik today I think. I just feel like town wouldn't have done some of the things he has.

Now that ADK is the cop? Is he, or is it also possible that the real cop decided not to counterclaim?

That leaves Shraeye and faust from the lynch pool of three--which I think Nik should be included in as well. Shraeye's last posts seem pretty townie to me.

Argh! Every time I feel like I've got a solid read, it just gets upended.

I do believe that Volt is town, but has anyone considered a Volt/Nik scumteam?

Because I am not really seeing Nik/faust myself.

[faust]

So first things first. I am not a Cop. I agree that the way things stand now, I probably need to claim this. But I do not think it should have come to this. People can easily hide behind "counterclaiming is what we're always doing, so we're doing it now". But that is not always the best course of action.

[faust]

whoa.  just saw that ADK claimed cop.  Well that should solve things.  Without a counterclaim, it's got to be Nik/faust then.  Perfect.

Voltaire, I have no idea why you will not look at Nik.  Check out the things I've posted this morning.  Nik is really really really suspicious.  Faust is also suspicious, but there are occasional saving graces.  I see no saving graces for Nik.  I mean, either one is a win.  So whatevs.

vote: Nik

It's "got to be" Nik/me? Seriously? Dude, you're way too sure of your reads. I mean, go look at D1 in case you have forgotten. I still think you're town, but dangerous town because you're wrong and seem to believe in your wrong opinions with all your heart.

[faust]

Also shraeye, can you point out to me why Voltaire is town?

[Ichimaru Gin]

If Nik is scum, I see Voltaire as a potential partner.

[shraeye]

his desire to drive the day; it feels like he's trying to discover the truth and explain it to us.  That's different than making up the truth and pushing that version.  He rethinks things.  What makes him scummy?

I'd do Nik.  If ichi/faust/me/wither are down with that, it's enough to lynch.

I don't understand how Nik has zero suspicion.  He's been real suspicious.  Read the things that I posted while catching up.

[shraeye]

A benefit to Nik, is that I think he's more likely to be scum with the super-off chance people.  Voltaire, maybe Wither.  I don't see faust/Volt.  I haven't thought about faust/wither, I guess.

[faust]

Are Faust and Shraeye not going to claim now? 

Faust, you originally said ADK should claim.  What did you expect to happen if he claimed cop?  I had thought it was understood that, if the claim was false, the true cop would counterclaim.

I expected to be around when it happens. We could have postponed deciding on him until tomorrow, without any further claiming. By then he would either be dead or we'd have a counterclaim with result, which is like infinitely better than one without result.

PPE: 3