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[shraeye]

ADK, get in here and help sort things out.  We need you/Ichi as much as possible.

[shraeye]

Here's the Nik-wagon

vote: Nik

[faust]

his desire to drive the day; it feels like he's trying to discover the truth and explain it to us.  That's different than making up the truth and pushing that version.  He rethinks things.  What makes him scummy?

These are my thoughts on Voltaire. I thought you reread.

[faust]

I can do Nik. Better than me, for sure. And he is my second highest scum read now.

Vote: Nik

[Ichimaru Gin]

I am totally on for Nik. I really do think he's scum, and has somehow managed to pass under our radar.

How many votes does he have on him now?

[shraeye]

his desire to drive the day; it feels like he's trying to discover the truth and explain it to us.  That's different than making up the truth and pushing that version.  He rethinks things.  What makes him scummy?

These are my thoughts on Voltaire. I thought you reread.

I read through taht, but there are just a lot of +points that I disagree with.  His post #91 is a townread on mcmc, and you say "considering that he helped lynch him later"...so he's scummy for changing his opinion over the course of day 1?
#226 I was the one who steered him off of ADK, so I don't assign any blame to him when I refused to let him consider alternatives.
#423 That's actually a great reason to vote.

[shraeye]

2 votes on Nik...need 4 to lynch.  I think that's our state.

[Witherweaver]

Are Faust and Shraeye not going to claim now? 

Faust, you originally said ADK should claim.  What did you expect to happen if he claimed cop?  I had thought it was understood that, if the claim was false, the true cop would counterclaim.

I expected to be around when it happens. We could have postponed deciding on him until tomorrow, without any further claiming. By then he would either be dead or we'd have a counterclaim with result, which is like infinitely better than one without result.

PPE: 3

Okay, I didn't think of that resolution. 

[Ichimaru Gin]

vote: Nik that's L-1

[shraeye]

so......

Wither, what do you think about Nik?

[Witherweaver]

so......

Wither, what do you think about Nik?

Okay, soo... I really wanted him to respond first.  Because if Faust/Nik were the team I don't think Nik would have gone to vote for Faust.

I originally started suspecting Nik a long time ago, when no one was paying much attention.  The re-question of what L-1 meant sent off alarms for me.  In a Nik/X situation I wanted to lynch X, because I think the situation where just Nik is left as scum is easier than with X left as scum.  And I thought there would be information to gain from how Nik responds to getting X close to lynch.

I want Nik to come in and respond before we lynch.  I'm okay with voting for him, though.

[shraeye]

The problem is that lynch deadline is in 63 minutes.  We can wait to see a few of Nik's words.  But you have to be ultra-cognizant of that ticking clock.

[Ichimaru Gin]

Um...I didn't want people to think know I was scum, but now I realize that was a big mistake.
I'm still going to keep my Unvote, since Volitare is looking less scummy.

[Witherweaver]

The problem is that lynch deadline is in 63 minutes.  We can wait to see a few of Nik's words.  But you have to be ultra-cognizant of that ticking clock.

Okay, I'll be here for the deadline.

[shraeye]

So Nik is rarely around during this time:
http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?action=profile;area=statistics;u=2570

Voltaire frequently is:
http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?action=profile;area=statistics;u=916

faust sometimes is, but not always:
http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?action=profile;area=statistics;u=2291

ADK is frequently:
http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?action=profile;area=statistics;u=714


ADK/Voltaire.  Please show up and comment?  Contribute?

[Witherweaver]

\prod Nik

You're about to get got dude.

[A Drowned Kernel]

Vote: Nik

[Ichimaru Gin]

Damn.  This should be interesting.
I feel pretty confident that Nik is scum

[shraeye]

Who do you think his most likely partner is?

[Witherweaver]

That's hammer. 

Okay.. thoughts in case I don't survive the night before the thread gets locked:

IF Nik turns out scum:

*Voltaire is super pushing the Nik-as-a-newbie case.  That's suspicious, but if I was Nik's scum partner I wouldn't want to be so obvoius about it.  However, I think we certainly cannot give Volt a free pass.
*Faust.. I found the things he's been saying scummy.  But then again I was really sure ADK was scum.  Well, he voted Nik as the second vote.  It could be that Faust knew Nik was caught and was going to get lynched, so it's safer to get on the lynching side for tomorrow's arguments
*Shraeye I have a townread on.

IF Nik turns out town:

Well.. I don't know what these interactions tell us.  My scummiest read is still Faust, but honestly it's more of a hunch/feeling than a finding evidence case. 

Really the best evidence-driven case we have against someone is Nik. 

PPE: 2, didn't read

[Witherweaver]

Another point against Voltaire (and maybe others) if Nik flips scum:

I was the first one to point out Nik's super suspicious duplicate question to the already-answered question.  Voltaire has been super on the dot, so I'm surprised he didn't see this until after I pointed it out.

I would have expected Faust to see it, too, but his time zone is different.  But I don't recall him saying much about it, even after I brought it up and Voltaire and Ichi commented on it.  Have to go back.

Shraeye I'm for sure certain would have jumped on it, but he was basically gone during the entire thing.  So probably can't conclude anything from that.

[Ichimaru Gin]

Mm.  I believe both faust and Voltaire began defending him early on, citing reasons I never especially agreed with.  Come to think of it though, mcmc also defended him. . .
So I'd tend to say Faust or Voltaire.

[Witherweaver]

Mm.  I believe both faust and Voltaire began defending him early on, citing reasons I never especially agreed with.  Come to think of it though, mcmc also defended him. . .
So I'd tend to say Faust or Voltaire.

Can you find the example of Faust's defense?  The last thing I remember was like 7 pages ago.. Faust described Nik as something ot the effect of: "seems really scummy, but he's a newbie, so unsure.  But newbie scum seems likely".  Will dig up quote.

[Witherweaver]

Faust on analyzing the McMc wagon:

The mcmc wagon is less interesting than I thought. I believe there is scum on it.

shraeye pushed hard, like really hard for this lynch. I don't see that as a scum tactic. Well, that is, in most cases, there are players from which I would expect that. But not from shraeye. So I think he's town.

Voltaire's additude to this wagon was definitely more scummy. First he wants another lynch, but doesn't really do anything about it. He is then quite easily convinced and only sheeps shraeye's reasoning.

Ichi is town. Well.

Nik jumps late when then wagon seems to go through, and sheeps. That's classic scum beviour, and coming from a newbie, it's more likely to actually come from scum.

I am town.

So that would leave me with a slightly scummy feeling on Nik. Voltaire I have already analyzed.

Off-wagon are WW and ADK. Off-wagon is always something generically townie when it's a mislynch wagon. I need to look at the reasons for being off-wagon to make a clearer statement here.

Okay so he didn't use newbie as any excuse or defend Nik at all, and said that newbie scum is more likely.

[Ichimaru Gin]

I missed ww's posts.  Pretty much what he said.
Ppe: I would except I switched to my phone now,  so can't effectively find it.