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overpaying 0 with stonemason
« on: March 01, 2014, 10:33:11 pm »
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I don't have a rulebook, but reading the card I would interpret it as such that you could choose to overpay 0 coins for the stonemason. Thus gaining 2 cards costing 0 coins, like a peddler for instance. It isn't possible on goko though.
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Re: overpaying 0 with stonemason
« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2014, 10:36:53 pm »
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Minimum amount that you an overpay for is 1.
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Re: overpaying 0 with stonemason
« Reply #2 on: March 02, 2014, 12:29:43 am »
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Adding a source to Grujah's claim:
Quote from: Guilds rulebook
If you choose not to overpay, you will not gain any cards from that ability; it is not possible to use it to gain Action cards costing 0 coins.
(rulebook is downloadable here: http://riograndegames.com/getFile.php?id=1767)
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Re: overpaying 0 with stonemason
« Reply #3 on: March 02, 2014, 01:05:11 am »
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I'm just not convinced on this ruling; can we get five or six more people to chime in confirming it, perhaps using some sort of chart?
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Re: overpaying 0 with stonemason
« Reply #4 on: March 02, 2014, 01:08:16 am »
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I'm just not convinced on this ruling; can we get five or six more people to chime in confirming it, perhaps using some sort of chart?

We've had this conversation before, and the rulebook says it.

Basically, think about this.  What does it actually mean to "overpay"?  It means to pay more than you need for it.  No matter what, paying $2 for Stonemason is not paying more than you need for it.  Thus, you're not overpaying.
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Re: overpaying 0 with stonemason
« Reply #5 on: March 02, 2014, 02:58:53 am »
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I'm just not convinced on this ruling; can we get five or six more people to chime in confirming it, perhaps using some sort of chart?

We've had this conversation before, and the rulebook says it.

Basically, think about this.  What does it actually mean to "overpay"?  It means to pay more than you need for it.  No matter what, paying $2 for Stonemason is not paying more than you need for it.  Thus, you're not overpaying.
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Re: overpaying 0 with stonemason
« Reply #6 on: March 02, 2014, 04:21:02 am »
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As is well known, Dominion costs live in the natural partial order on the free abelian monoid generated by {Coin, Potion}.  "Overpaying" has been ruled to follow the strict order.  You might consider this unnatural, but them's the breaks.
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Re: overpaying 0 with stonemason
« Reply #7 on: March 02, 2014, 07:45:56 am »
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I'm just not convinced on this ruling; can we get five or six more people to chime in confirming it, perhaps using some sort of chart?

We've had this conversation before, and the rulebook says it.

Basically, think about this.  What does it actually mean to "overpay"?  It means to pay more than you need for it.  No matter what, paying $2 for Stonemason is not paying more than you need for it.  Thus, you're not overpaying.

Plays a highway.  Pay $1 for a Stonemason, overpay $1 and gain two Squires, trashing each with a Watchtower and gaining two Goons.
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Re: overpaying 0 with stonemason
« Reply #8 on: March 02, 2014, 08:20:20 am »
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I'm just not convinced on this ruling; can we get five or six more people to chime in confirming it, perhaps using some sort of chart?

We've had this conversation before, and the rulebook says it.

Basically, think about this.  What does it actually mean to "overpay"?  It means to pay more than you need for it.  No matter what, paying $2 for Stonemason is not paying more than you need for it.  Thus, you're not overpaying.

Plays a highway.  Pay $1 for a Stonemason, overpay $1 and gain two Squires, trashing each with a Watchtower and gaining two Goons.
trashing the goons aswell and end up with nothing

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Re: overpaying 0 with stonemason
« Reply #9 on: March 02, 2014, 08:22:16 am »
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I'm just not convinced on this ruling; can we get five or six more people to chime in confirming it, perhaps using some sort of chart?

We've had this conversation before, and the rulebook says it.

Basically, think about this.  What does it actually mean to "overpay"?  It means to pay more than you need for it.  No matter what, paying $2 for Stonemason is not paying more than you need for it.  Thus, you're not overpaying.

Plays a highway.  Pay $1 for a Stonemason, overpay $1 and gain two Squires, trashing each with a Watchtower and gaining two Goons.
trashing the goons aswell and end up with nothing

But I had a Goons in play, so I got a VP chip for buying the Stonemason.  This also emptied to Stonemason, Squire, and Goons piles.  I win by one point.
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