Dominion Strategy Forum

Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length
Pages: [1]

Author Topic: Another what's missing  (Read 5656 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

AJD

  • Cartographer
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 3324
  • Shuffle iT Username: AJD
  • Respect: +4502
    • View Profile
Another what's missing
« on: November 27, 2011, 12:41:23 am »
+2

I thought this one was easyish, but looking it over again maybe it's a little tricky.

Here are some Action and Treasure cards!

Alchemist
Cache
Harem
Highway
Hoard
Nomad Camp
Peddler
Quarry
Royal Seal
Talisman
Stash
Walled Village

Honorable mention: Haggler

Which action or treasure will make this list complete?

EDIT:  And now also Fortress, Masterpiece, and Merchant Guild! Honorable mention: Abandoned Mine. Dishonorable mention: Band of Misfits.
« Last Edit: June 16, 2013, 10:45:51 pm by AJD »
Logged

biopower

  • Young Witch
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 149
  • Respect: +4
    • View Profile
Re: Another what's missing
« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2011, 01:42:42 pm »
0

Watchtower or Bridge?
Logged

AJD

  • Cartographer
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 3324
  • Shuffle iT Username: AJD
  • Respect: +4502
    • View Profile
Re: Another what's missing
« Reply #2 on: November 27, 2011, 02:25:07 pm »
0

Logged

jotheonah

  • Jester
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 989
  • Respect: +952
    • View Profile
Re: Another what's missing
« Reply #3 on: November 27, 2011, 03:40:21 pm »
0

Watchtower?
Logged
"I know old meta, and joth is useless day 1 but awesome town day 3 and on." --Teproc

He/him

DStu

  • Margrave
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 2627
  • Respect: +1490
    • View Profile
Re: Another what's missing
« Reply #4 on: November 27, 2011, 04:17:01 pm »
0

Watchtower?


maybe Bridge?


scnr.


Certainly most cards there tend to modify something else at some time, but there are lots of cards that do this. There must be something else...
Logged

DStu

  • Margrave
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 2627
  • Respect: +1490
    • View Profile
Re: Another what's missing
« Reply #5 on: November 28, 2011, 05:28:03 am »
0

Are you sure about the Peddler?
Logged

AJD

  • Cartographer
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 3324
  • Shuffle iT Username: AJD
  • Respect: +4502
    • View Profile
Re: Another what's missing
« Reply #6 on: November 28, 2011, 06:09:24 am »
0

Are you sure about the Peddler?

Yes.
Logged

guided

  • Jester
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 940
  • Respect: +94
    • View Profile
Re: Another what's missing
« Reply #7 on: November 28, 2011, 10:42:11 am »
0

Except for Harem, all of these have a line with text above and below, but of course many other cards also have that property. I'm scratching my head trying to find other commonalities.
Logged

guided

  • Jester
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 940
  • Respect: +94
    • View Profile
Re: Another what's missing
« Reply #8 on: November 28, 2011, 11:03:18 am »
0

OK, I have a mostly coherent idea, in which case it might be Border Village. Still, if that's the answer, I have to echo DStu's question while adding ...and Harem?

Also I'm pretty sure this must be wrong since Highway's relationship to Pawn is also shared by Herbalist, and it seems awfully sketchy to have Tournament stand in for Peddler.

Here's the parallel list I have in mind:


Laboratory
Gold
Silver
Pawn
Silver
Woodcutter
Tournament
Silver
Silver
Copper
Silver
Village
« Last Edit: November 28, 2011, 12:26:20 pm by guided »
Logged

AJD

  • Cartographer
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 3324
  • Shuffle iT Username: AJD
  • Respect: +4502
    • View Profile
Re: Another what's missing
« Reply #9 on: November 28, 2011, 11:31:54 am »
0

OK, I have a mostly coherent idea, in which case it might be Border Village.

That is correct!

You don't quite have the correct unifying factor, but you're obviously most of the way there. A small clue: the order in which the various expansions were released is relevant.
Logged

guided

  • Jester
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 940
  • Respect: +94
    • View Profile
Re: Another what's missing
« Reply #10 on: November 28, 2011, 12:30:30 pm »
0

I've got other ideas, but Highway and Peddler are really stumping me.
Logged

Blooki

  • Bishop
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 118
  • I am constantly overmeditated...
  • Respect: 0
    • View Profile
Re: Another what's missing
« Reply #11 on: November 29, 2011, 03:31:33 am »
0

Here's the parallel list I have in mind:


Laboratory
Gold
Silver
Pawn
Silver
Woodcutter
Tournament
Silver
Silver
Copper
Silver
Village


I think Highway's parallel is Great Hall and Peddler's is Treasury.

My question is. Are you sure Harem belongs because it has no line.
Logged

guided

  • Jester
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 940
  • Respect: +94
    • View Profile
Re: Another what's missing
« Reply #12 on: November 29, 2011, 09:57:03 am »
0

I think Highway's parallel is Great Hall and Peddler's is Treasury.
These had occurred to me, but the relationship I had in mind goes both ways if we expand it to those cases. I was looking for cards whose above-the-line effect is 100% duplicated by a different card that does nothing else (if used for that effect). But perhaps the category is actually this instead: cards whose above-the-line effect is duplicated by the effect (or the above-the-line effect) of a cheaper card. I haven't rigorously gone through and made sure we have an exhaustive list, then. As several of us have noted, Harem has no line, but I strongly suspect it's being treated as if it had one for the purpose of this puzzle.
Logged

DStu

  • Margrave
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 2627
  • Respect: +1490
    • View Profile
Re: Another what's missing
« Reply #13 on: November 29, 2011, 10:03:05 am »
0

But perhaps the category is actually this instead: cards whose above-the-line effect is duplicated by the effect (or the above-the-line effect) of a cheaper card.

I came until Cache which wouldn't fit.
Logged

AJD

  • Cartographer
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 3324
  • Shuffle iT Username: AJD
  • Respect: +4502
    • View Profile
Re: Another what's missing
« Reply #14 on: November 29, 2011, 10:25:23 am »
0

Blooki is right about the cards I was thinking of.

Guided, cheaper cards isn't exactly what I was thinking of (cf. DStu's comment).

As for the line issue, well, as we often say over in the Rules subforum, the cards would play in the exact same way if there were no lines on them at all; they're just there to make the different functions of the card easier to read.
Logged

guided

  • Jester
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 940
  • Respect: +94
    • View Profile
Re: Another what's missing
« Reply #15 on: November 29, 2011, 12:57:24 pm »
0

the cards would play in the exact same way if there were no lines on them at all; they're just there to make the different functions of the card easier to read.
Yes, but if we're going to include cards without lines, doesn't that blow the doors wide open for other Village variants that you don't have listed? (as well as several other cards I would guess) Unless the category is weirder than I imagine.

Also duh, you could replace "cheaper" with "older". Like the cards are leveled-up versions of earlier cards. That's another one that had occurred to me, but well, I had dismissed Treasury and Great Hall from that idea since they do other stuff too. And insisting on cards that don't do other stuff left me with the Herbalist issue, and Tournament came after Peddler.

Anyway, I think that works apart from the Harem having no line thing, which maybe you have a reasonable explanation for that still excludes e.g. Mining Village?
Logged

AJD

  • Cartographer
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 3324
  • Shuffle iT Username: AJD
  • Respect: +4502
    • View Profile
Re: Another what's missing
« Reply #16 on: November 29, 2011, 01:32:08 pm »
0

"Older" is correct.

And although the physical appearance of lines on the card doesn't matter, what the lines usually represent does.... I'm not sure why Harem doesn't have a line on it, in fact; it could.
Logged

guided

  • Jester
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 940
  • Respect: +94
    • View Profile
Re: Another what's missing
« Reply #17 on: November 29, 2011, 04:29:01 pm »
+1

Cards whose play effect duplicates an earlier card's play effect. Note that we're also missing Scheme.
Logged

AJD

  • Cartographer
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 3324
  • Shuffle iT Username: AJD
  • Respect: +4502
    • View Profile
Re: Another what's missing
« Reply #18 on: November 29, 2011, 04:35:05 pm »
+1

Correct, of course. I thought about Scheme, but I'm pretty sure that its top-decking is also, counterinuitively, a (delayed-action) play effect. It's Thronable, for instance.
Logged

guided

  • Jester
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Posts: 940
  • Respect: +94
    • View Profile
Re: Another what's missing
« Reply #19 on: November 29, 2011, 04:36:26 pm »
0

Yeah, you're right!
Logged
Pages: [1]
 

Page created in 0.05 seconds with 20 queries.