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[liopoil]

Well, it is possible that you are going to continue gaining HC fast because of the prisms, and so it might be worth it to continue, but it is going to be worth it before you get to 5k HC.

[DStu]

you don't lose achievements when you reset. And remember that when you reset you are going to be multiplying your cps by 75% from the heavenly chips. Not being able to get all those upgrades probably doesn't hurt you enough that it won't be worth it. Remember that the cookie upgrades give you an increase only on your base cps, the amount you get without any sorts of multipliers at all, which is actually pretty small. They do not stack. So I think it is probably worth it to reset.

I know they don't stack. At the moment, I have a multiplier of (Heavenly + Cookie ) * Kitten
(39.92 +13.57) * 7.02 = 375.7
Resetting I get with 3.5k heavenly chips, but without the seasonal upgrades
(70 + 8.45) * 6.54 = 513.06


Oh, I think last time I did this I took the wrong cell and multiplied with Milk and not with the kitten multiplier.  Thanks for having me calculating this again...

Edit: Ok, maybe I will not reset now, but at least there is some point before the 5k where it make sense to reset and gaining cps

[liopoil]

Heavenly chips multiply your cps after all other multipliers, cookies, kittens, etc. have been applied I believe.

[DStu]

Heavenly chips multiply your cps after all other multipliers, cookies, kittens, etc. have been applied I believe.

No, they add with cookies and multiply with kitten.  At least this method gives consistently the same number that the game tells me....

[liopoil]

hmmmm, interesting. That makes it so the cookies become less and less valuable as the game progresses...

how exactly do the kittens work? I know they give cps for achievements, but what's the formula?

[DStu]

hmmmm, interesting. That makes it so the cookies become less and less valuable as the game progresses...

how exactly do the kittens work? I know they give cps for achievements, but what's the formula?

http://cookieclicker.wikia.com/wiki/Upgrade#Kitten_Upgrades

A =Number of achievements
M = Milk = A/25  (or 1.05*A/25 with Santa's 5% upgrade to Milk)
mul = (1+0.05*M)*(1+0.1*M)*(1+0.2*M)^2 (where each factor comes from a kitten upgrade)

[liopoil]

I actually just looked at that page, then came here and saw you posted a link to it. Thanks. So, I'll try that with my game...

cookies = 10.35 - this is all of the cookies, so the cookies are worth just over 500 HC total, which becomes less and less significant as you get more and more HC.
HC = 207.26
Sum of the above: 217.61
Milk = 4.6
kittens are: 1.23, 1.46, 1.92, and 1.92
multiply the kittens and sum of HC/cookies: 217.61*1.23*1.46*1.92*1.92 ~ 1440.59. multiply by 100 to get a percentage, 144,059%

The game says my multiplier is 157,327%. This is close enough that I think I just made a small error... maybe I miscounted my cookies...

[liopoil]

nope, the wiki confirms I added my cookies correctly.

[Grujah]

Some non-cookie upgades (from Research facility) also give CpS. 15% CpS, I think.

[liopoil]

Oh right! also a couple santa upgrades, yes?

[DStu]

Oh right! also a couple santa upgrades, yes?

I get to 13.57 with all cookies, santa and whatever additive multiplicator (excluding heavenly chips), that's

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Cookie mul 5% 7 0.35
Cookie mul10% 3 0.3
Cookie mul15% 14 2.1
Cookie mul 20% 4 0.8
Cookie mul20% ghost 7 1.4
Cookie mul 25% 15 3.75
Cookie mul Bingo 0.15
Cookie mul rendeer 7 1.4
Cookie mul Xmas 0.82
Cookie mul Santa 15 1.5


[liopoil]

Where are you getting this:

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Cookie mul rendeer 7 1.4


Also, what about Santa's milk and cookies, which makes milk 5% more powerful?

[DStu]

Where are you getting this:

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Cookie mul rendeer 7 1.4


Also, what about Santa's milk and cookies, which makes milk 5% more powerful?

This adds 5% to Milk, which is a 6.4% buff

[Grujah]

Oh right! also a couple santa upgrades, yes?

Each santa is 10%, if you have that one upgrade that does that.

[DStu]

Oh right! also a couple santa upgrades, yes?

Each santa is 10%, if you have that one upgrade that does that.

Yepp, that's the last line the post above

[sudgy]

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Game.CalculateGains=function()
{
Game.cookiesPs=0;
var mult=1;
for (var i in Game.Upgrades)
{
var me=Game.Upgrades[i];
if (me.bought>0)
{
if (me.type=='cookie' && Game.Has(me.name)) mult+=me.power*0.01;
}
}
mult+=Game.Has('Specialized chocolate chips')*0.01;
mult+=Game.Has('Designer cocoa beans')*0.02;
mult+=Game.Has('Underworld ovens')*0.03;
mult+=Game.Has('Exotic nuts')*0.04;
mult+=Game.Has('Arcane sugar')*0.05;

if (Game.Has('Increased merriness')) mult+=0.15;
if (Game.Has('Improved jolliness')) mult+=0.15;
if (Game.Has('A lump of coal')) mult+=0.01;
if (Game.Has('An itchy sweater')) mult+=0.01;
if (Game.Has('Santa\'s dominion')) mult+=0.5;

if (Game.Has('Santa\'s legacy')) mult+=(Game.santaLevel+1)*0.1;

if (!Game.prestige.ready) Game.CalculatePrestige();
var heavenlyMult=0;
if (Game.Has('Heavenly chip secret')) heavenlyMult+=0.05;
if (Game.Has('Heavenly cookie stand')) heavenlyMult+=0.20;
if (Game.Has('Heavenly bakery')) heavenlyMult+=0.25;
if (Game.Has('Heavenly confectionery')) heavenlyMult+=0.25;
if (Game.Has('Heavenly key')) heavenlyMult+=0.25;
mult+=parseFloat(Game.prestige['Heavenly chips'])*0.02*heavenlyMult;

for (var i in Game.Objects)
{
var me=Game.Objects[i];
me.storedCps=(typeof(me.cps)=='function'?me.cps():me.cps);
me.storedTotalCps=me.amount*me.storedCps;
Game.cookiesPs+=me.storedTotalCps;
}

var milkMult=Game.Has('Santa\'s milk and cookies')?1.05:1;
if (Game.Has('Kitten helpers')) mult*=(1+Game.milkProgress*0.05*milkMult);
if (Game.Has('Kitten workers')) mult*=(1+Game.milkProgress*0.1*milkMult);
if (Game.Has('Kitten engineers')) mult*=(1+Game.milkProgress*0.2*milkMult);
if (Game.Has('Kitten overseers')) mult*=(1+Game.milkProgress*0.2*milkMult);

var rawCookiesPs=Game.cookiesPs*mult;
for (var i=0;i<Game.cpsAchievs.length/2;i++)
{
if (rawCookiesPs>=Game.cpsAchievs[i*2+1]) Game.Win(Game.cpsAchievs[i*2]);
}

if (Game.frenzy>0) mult*=Game.frenzyPower;

var sucked=1;
for (var i in Game.wrinklers)
{
if (Game.wrinklers[i].phase==2) sucked-=1/20;
}
Game.cpsSucked=(1-sucked);

if (Game.Has('Elder Covenant')) mult*=0.95;

Game.globalCpsMult=mult;
Game.cookiesPs*=Game.globalCpsMult;

Game.computedMouseCps=Game.mouseCps();

Game.recalculateGains=0;
}

[Axxle]

When should I reset?

http://www.reddit.com/r/CookieClicker/comments/1wrudk/a_theoretical_analysis_of_when_should_i_reset_in/

Reset when:

2 times "how many more trillions of cookies I'd have if I had this much cps since the start of the reset" = "how many heavenly chips I'd gain if I reset right now" squared.

[DStu]

I dont think this applies here as some upgrades are not gainable anymore after the reset

[jonts26]

It should still hold assuming you have >5k Heavenly chips and access to all the upgrades. I would say, the christmas upgrades are powerful enough you should hold off on a reset until 5k HC. I had about 1200 HC's at the update, and got to over 5k for the reset fairly quickly. Prisms are powerful enough that getting 12 quintillion cookies isn't all that difficult.

[DStu]

It should still hold assuming you have >5k Heavenly chips and access to all the upgrades. I would say, the christmas upgrades are powerful enough you should hold off on a reset until 5k HC. I had about 1200 HC's at the update, and got to over 5k for the reset fairly quickly. Prisms are powerful enough that getting 12 quintillion cookies isn't all that difficult.

Greater 5 it certainly holds. Im not sure if i will reset with say 4k hcs, depends if i want to idle or play i guess. At 4k its still a 50percent buff for me, and its more fun to rebuild and have a bit more cps than farming golden cookies for no new buildings

[mail-mi]

wait so how does one get heavenly chips?

[Tables]

Reset the game with at least one quadrillion cookies baked I believe. Then you end up with Heavenly Chips equal to the square root of the number of quadrillion cookies you've ever baked.

[jonts26]

wait so how does one get heavenly chips?

Basically, when you reset, your total cookies baked (all time) determine how many heavenly chips you will have upon reset. The exact formula is can be found here: http://cookieclicker.wikia.com/wiki/Heavenly_Chips. You get your first one for 1 Trillion cookies and each successive HC takes more cookies.

[Davio]

I find it surprising that people actually play this play this more than once.
But you can find a challenge in anything I guess...

[DStu]

So, resetted with 4k (from 2k) HC and got from 9e12 to 12e12 cps in <3hours despite losing the seasonal upgrades. Had to farm 4e18 more chips to get to the 5k, that's 5e5 seconds = 138 hours with the original cps and  90 hours with the new (and in this game there is still potential to increase cps with new buildings), saved 48 hours.

Now of course the 3 hours here would have farmed more than 3 hours of chips because of golden cookies etc., but I doubt that you get an average multiplier of 12 with golden cookies, but I'm not entierly sure how much you can make with frenzy+cklicking frenzy.
Anyway, I would not have farmed golden cookies for 3 hours...