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Re: MXL: The Philosopher's Mafia (3 spots left!)
« Reply #50 on: March 19, 2014, 11:02:37 am »

Question: Do we get to know where we are in the draft when choosing a role?  Or do we have to guess?
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Re: MXL: The Philosopher's Mafia (3 spots left!)
« Reply #51 on: March 19, 2014, 11:32:45 am »

Question: Do we get to know where we are in the draft when choosing a role?  Or do we have to guess?

Everyone gets their number in the draft via PM before choosing a role.
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Re: MXL: The Philosopher's Mafia (3 spots left!)
« Reply #52 on: March 19, 2014, 12:02:19 pm »

Wow, I didn't realize this is a 15 player game. I thought we were filled, but still need a few more.
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Re: MXL: The Philosopher's Mafia (3 spots left!)
« Reply #53 on: March 19, 2014, 01:42:29 pm »

/in

I think there is a Nash equilibrium for the bidding though?  It looks similar to another game theory problem I've seen.  Maybe it's difficult enough to solve that you don't mind some players taking the time to figure it out.
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Re: MXL: The Philosopher's Mafia (3 spots left!)
« Reply #54 on: March 19, 2014, 01:46:25 pm »

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I think there is a Nash equilibrium for the bidding though?  It looks similar to another game theory problem I've seen.  Maybe it's difficult enough to solve that you don't mind some players taking the time to figure it out.

Okay I'm thinking about it more and I think the mechanic is actually interesting, because you're not just trying to maximize your chances of getting first pick, you're trying to maximize your chances of getting the slot you want, or maybe one of your two favorite slots, or whatever.  People won't necessarily go for the same thing so it's not going to be "solvable".
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Re: MXL: The Philosopher's Mafia (3 spots left!)
« Reply #55 on: March 19, 2014, 01:47:27 pm »

Especially because you're not only looking at the power of roles for you, but at what you're taking out for the other faction.
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Re: MXL: The Philosopher's Mafia (3 spots left!)
« Reply #56 on: March 19, 2014, 01:49:30 pm »

Yeah, the problem I was thinking of would have told you how to bid if you only care about whether you do or don't get first, but since you (and other players) would also be happy to get second or third or whatever it's a totally different problem.
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Re: MXL: The Philosopher's Mafia (2 spots left!)
« Reply #57 on: March 19, 2014, 02:07:32 pm »

Can we announce what number we're betting in thread?
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Re: MXL: The Philosopher's Mafia (2 spots left!)
« Reply #58 on: March 19, 2014, 02:08:21 pm »

Any strategy discussion pre-game will be deleted - like this one.
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Re: MXL: The Philosopher's Mafia (2 spots left!)
« Reply #59 on: March 19, 2014, 02:09:03 pm »

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Re: MXL: The Philosopher's Mafia (2 spots left!)
« Reply #60 on: March 19, 2014, 02:15:49 pm »

Can we announce what number we're betting in thread?

No.
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Re: MXL: The Philosopher's Mafia (2 spots left!)
« Reply #61 on: March 19, 2014, 03:23:57 pm »

Bah.
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Re: MXL: The Philosopher's Mafia (2 spots left!)
« Reply #62 on: March 20, 2014, 07:24:04 am »

this is soo big...
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Re: MXL: The Philosopher's Mafia (2 spots left!)
« Reply #63 on: March 20, 2014, 07:37:19 am »

Public Service Announcement:

Due to me being VLA over the weekend, this game will not start before Tuesday, even if it fills earlier.
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Re: MXL: The Philosopher's Mafia (2 spots left!)
« Reply #64 on: March 26, 2014, 01:06:44 am »

Tempted...
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Re: MXL: The Philosopher's Mafia (2 spots left!)
« Reply #65 on: March 26, 2014, 01:16:11 am »

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Re: MXL: The Philosopher's Mafia (2 spots left!)
« Reply #66 on: March 26, 2014, 01:25:09 am »

/in
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Re: MXL: The Philosopher's Mafia (2 spots left!)
« Reply #67 on: March 26, 2014, 01:52:39 am »

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Re: MXL: The Philosopher's Mafia (2 spots left!)
« Reply #68 on: March 26, 2014, 01:52:54 am »

Man, this game is full and still no PMs?  What the heck...
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Re: MXL: The Philosopher's Mafia (2 spots left!)
« Reply #69 on: March 26, 2014, 01:53:03 am »

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Re: MXL: The Philosopher's Mafia (2 spots left!)
« Reply #70 on: March 26, 2014, 01:57:16 am »

FINALLY
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Re: MXL: The Philosopher's Mafia (N0)
« Reply #71 on: March 26, 2014, 07:57:55 am »

This game is full! PMs will be going out now. Please everyone confirm and send a positive whole number with your confirmation PM.

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Re: MXL: The Philosopher's Mafia (N0)
« Reply #72 on: March 26, 2014, 08:11:13 am »

Endless discussions, a bazillion of argument and counter-arguments, heated exchanges – but still no conclusion. What is reality – is it grounded solely in matter, or does it only exist in our minds? Since the beginning of philosophy, two schools of thought stand opposing: The Idealists, who claim that the reality we can know of is only mental, and the Naturalists, in whose opinion all that is real is simply a result of physical interactions.

Finally, this conflict should be brought to an end. The greatest minds of all time were invited to a conference in the ivory tower, where they planned to lock themselves in until an agreement was found.

The conference started out badly. Every single attendant already held a firm conviction in this matter, and barely anyone was willing to concede the tiniest bit to the other faction.

As the discussion was at its worst point, John Rawls stepped forward. "This is leading nowhere!", he yelled. "We need another method to solve this problem. Luckily, I have already developed one. In my book 'A Theory of Justice'..."

At this point Friedrich Nietzsche cut him off sharply. He rose from his chair and exclaimed: "Justice! What is justice but an empty word, brought to us by lower, weaker humans that seek to prevent the arrival of the Übermensch!"

"For Christ's sake, Nietzsche, just let the man finish!", answered René Descartes. "Christ is dead", murmured Nietzsche as he unwillingly returned to his seat.

"Well, where was I?", continued Rawls. "Ah yes, my method. See, I brought with me this 'veil of ignorance'. We are all far too concerned with our personal animosities against each other. If we all hide behind this veil, we will not know each other's identities. That way, we are able to continue our discussion on a more objective basis."

Soon everyone agreed that this was the way they should proceed, and it was determined that, come the next Day, all would hide behind the veil and thus be unknown to each other.

In the night however, three supporters of the Naturalist concept, Thomas Hobbes, David Hume and Karl Marx, met secretly in the hallway. "I fear that with this plan proposed by Rawls, our views will fail to reach consensus", said Hobbes. "Too many here are ignorant towards the way the world really works."

"What we need is nothing less than a revolution", agreed Marx. "If we just erase the other's material existence, we'll see what is left of their claimed 'mental reality'. Listen, I have found a way for us to escape this veil of ignorance..."

At the start of the next day, as the attendees of the conference, shrouded in the veil of ignorance, got out of their chambers, they found John Rawls lying on the conference table, stabbed in the back with a black dagger. Everyone looked around, but the veil prevented them from knowing each other's true identity.

"It appears that our famed justice theorist became a victim of his own idea", remarked Zeno of Citium stoically. "I guess we better look for those who committed this crime."

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Re: MXL: The Philosopher's Mafia (N0)
« Reply #73 on: March 26, 2014, 10:43:19 am »

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Re: MXL: The Philosopher's Mafia (N0)
« Reply #74 on: March 26, 2014, 10:47:07 am »

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