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[EFHW]

You realize a better way to use your role might have been to wait for a lynch to basically be decided, then claim and challenge that person, then we just lynch that person anyway?  That would have taken out the risk, would have allowed town input into who we lynched, etc.

That would be really risky.  One derphammer, or missed pre-deadline discussion and he's dead too. 

[ashersky]

You realize a better way to use your role might have been to wait for a lynch to basically be decided, then claim and challenge that person, then we just lynch that person anyway?  That would have taken out the risk, would have allowed town input into who we lynched, etc.

That would be really risky.  One derphammer, or missed pre-deadline discussion and he's dead too.

Wait for L-1 would have been risky.  Waiting for L-2 and some clear intent would not have been.

I was just pointing out that there were other, much more pro-town, ways to use the role (if he was town).

[ashersky]

Because I wanted to make sure I wasn't suffering from confirmation bias.

It doesn't contradict my challenging him because it's just for different reasons. Claim = fishy, a reason from an ongoing game I swear I will post the moment it ends, posts = scummy. I tried to weigh the first two more and throw away the third. Which is not entirely possible because I am human but eh.

I do appreciate that town is put in a strange claiming dilemma because of this. The nice thing is that I am already getting some reads on who I think is more likely to be scum even if I am wrong about ash. I assume if I am right about ash then his partner really has no choice but to vote me. It's a nifty new situation.

I think this is a fallacy, and sets up bad logic later on after I'm lynched (or even after Voltaire is lynched).

If a scum partner is going down from a gladiator challenge, there's no reason not to bus.  I'm pretty sure Voltgloss's partners voted for him during the first challenge in LOTR2.

[Voltaire]

I'm pretty sure Voltgloss's partners voted for him during the first challenge in LOTR2.

Did they? I honestly wasn't following that game closely.

But your argument is wrong. It assumes that it's "obvious" a scum partner is going down via gladiator.

[xeiron]

Townread on Voltaire after the Gladiator claim and the following discussion.
He seems sincere and consistent in what I read from him.
Ashersky seems like a logical traget. At least thats who I would have chosen had I been a gladiator.
Speaking of Ashersky. I think he have a decent chance of flipping scum. Much higher than Voltaire.

[ashersky]

I'm interested to see a confirmation of Volt's role, still.  Guessing yuma is still on shift.

X, you are incredibly wrong.  Even from an objective perspective, the gladiator claim is more likely to be scum than the misdirection role is.


Anyone think of a gladiator flavor role?  Remember, flavor is EXPLICITLY linked to role, per the mod posts.  I've not seen the show, but I'm pretty sure it isn't set in ancient Rome.

[Archetype]

I consider Gladiator a scum role in a game with more scum. In a 9P game I don't think it'd be included since we're looking at a likely two man scum team. And like faust said, that gives scum at least a 50/50 chance of one of their members dying Day 1. Also, if Volt is scum, I think he'd target someone who isn't a claimed negative utility.

So yeah. Voltaire is my highest Town Read through this, and ash was already my highest Scum Read. So this whole thing is actually a-ok with me.

I'm also 99% (Real Statistic) sure Voltaire isn't lying about being a Gladiator. That is just not something he'd do, even though it'd be a really clever plan as Town to generate reads.

[jotheonah]

svs? is there anyone who would possibly think this? (Voltaire: Let me just ensure that the town can only lynch me or my partner)

No, I think it's tvs and I think ash is the scumster.

[ashersky]

I look forward to you all being wrong when I flip.  That's the only joy I can get out of being mislynched.  Literally, everyone being so terribly wrong.

What's painful though, is sitting in the spectator queue, watching everyone just giving Voltaire a ridiculous town pass even when you are all told by the mod in bolded letters that I was town.

This is basically a daykill for scum.

[Archetype]

If its svs, it's brilliant. But I think more likely it is tvs with Volt being Town.


If ash does flip Town, it doesn't really make Voltaire too much scummier from my perspective. Because at worst, he eliminated a negative utility.

[ashersky]

If its svs, it's brilliant. But I think more likely it is tvs with Volt being Town.


If ash does flip Town, it doesn't really make Voltaire too much scummier from my perspective. Because at worst, he eliminated a negative utility.

Um, no.  At worst, he's scum.

Does no one get this?  AT WORST, VOLTAIRE IS SCUM.

[ashersky]

I have no real problem dying, other than I wanted to play longer, and I'd rather scum die.

If this is tvt, Voltaire is even MORE negative utility than I am, since he's compulsively killing town.

I'll say that again: he is compulsively killing town.  Once I flip, you will know that I am not lying.

So, once I flip, please understand that on Day 2, when you are looking at the known actions of players, Voltaire decided to kill town.

[ashersky]

I mean, you'll all just ignore me until I flip, and you see I am town, but please, re-read after that happens.

Voltaire unilaterally decided to force town to kill a townie who had claimed for pro-town reasons.

Voltaire has provided zero evidence that he is town, nor has he done anything towny.  In fact, he's done anti-town things like continuing to refuse to provide his "case" on me all day, and forcing town to kill a towny unilaterally.

[ashersky]

So, Voltaire is either horribly wrong and misguided but town, or the much simpler and more likely scum.

How likely is it Voltaire gets it this wrong?  He just modded my last scum game.  We were scum together the game before that.  Do you honestly expect Voltaire to be so extremely wrong about me now?

I will say that again: in my last two scum games, Voltaire was my partner and my mod.

[xeiron]

I mean, you'll all just ignore me until I flip, and you see I am town, but please, re-read after that happens.

Voltaire unilaterally decided to force town to kill a townie who had claimed for pro-town reasons.

Voltaire has provided zero evidence that he is town, nor has he done anything towny.  In fact, he's done anti-town things like continuing to refuse to provide his "case" on me all day, and forcing town to kill a towny unilaterally.

So, Voltaire is either horribly wrong and misguided but town, or the much simpler and more likely scum.

How likely is it Voltaire gets it this wrong?  He just modded my last scum game.  We were scum together the game before that.  Do you honestly expect Voltaire to be so extremely wrong about me now?

I will say that again: in my last two scum games, Voltaire was my partner and my mod.

Noted.
Now, Vote: Ashersky

[ashersky]

As long as you all go back and re-read once you know I'm town, I'm cool.  I'll just post what I think are important thoughts so that they are available, including final reads.

Irony here is, we still have zero confirmation that Voltaire is what he says.  Like, I can write dayvig: xeiron and act like I'm a dayvig, but unless xeiron dies, it's meaningless.  Then I could claim "oh, it's delayed, he'll die on D3" and what, you'll believe me?  Nope.

And so sits scum!Voltaire.

[ashersky]

I'm leaning misguided-as-always town!Archetype.

[WalrusMcFishSr]

If its svs, it's brilliant. But I think more likely it is tvs with Volt being Town.


If ash does flip Town, it doesn't really make Voltaire too much scummier from my perspective. Because at worst, he eliminated a negative utility.

Um, no.  At worst, he's scum.

Does no one get this?  AT WORST, VOLTAIRE IS SCUM.

Actually, at worst you would also have to eat a bunch of cockroach alphabet snacks.

[yuma]

Thread Locked Momentarily

[yuma]

The Vote Count has been reset. Ashersky has been challenged by Voltaire. Today's lynch must be either Voltaire or ashersky

Vote Count 1.4

Not Voting (9): ashersky, Walrus, Archetype, xeiron, jotheonah, EFHW, Voltaire, faust, Eevee


Thread is Unlocked and the Day1 deadline remains the same.

[ashersky]

Do folks care who full claims first?  EFHW seemed to want Voltaire first.

[ashersky]

vote: voltaire

[ashersky]

Mod: what happens if lynch hasn't been reached at the deadline?  Most votes?  Gladiator auto-dies?

[ashersky]

The grand irony in all of this is that I claimed to say I wouldn't use my power at night, and partially because of that I don't get to live to a night to not use it.

[yuma]

Mod: what happens if lynch hasn't been reached at the deadline?  Most votes?  Gladiator auto-dies?

If a lynch is not reached at deadline the player with the most votes will be lynched. If the votes are tied a lynch will be randomized using the f.ds number generator among the two players up for a lynch.