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Gendered pronouns
« on: January 11, 2014, 03:05:25 pm »
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Also.... She? Did I check the wrong box somewhere?

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I think I'm going to default to using "she" on forums until/unless someone's gender is actually determined.  Just to change things up a bit.
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Re: Gendered pronouns
« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2014, 03:44:13 pm »
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Also.... She? Did I check the wrong box somewhere?

http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?action=profile;u=2488


I think I'm going to default to using "she" on forums until/unless someone's gender is actually determined.  Just to change things up a bit.

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Re: Gendered pronouns
« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2014, 05:06:48 pm »
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Also.... She? Did I check the wrong box somewhere?

http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?action=profile;u=2488


I think I'm going to default to using "she" on forums until/unless someone's gender is actually determined.  Just to change things up a bit.

Yeah, screw probability.
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Re: Gendered pronouns
« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2014, 06:19:16 pm »
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I think I'm going to default to using "she" on forums until/unless someone's gender is actually determined.  Just to change things up a bit.

I try to use they, unless there is a previous indication of gender. In the case of forum members, I check the profile.
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Re: Gendered pronouns
« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2014, 06:58:57 pm »
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I think I'm going to default to using "she" on forums until/unless someone's gender is actually determined.  Just to change things up a bit.

I try to use they, unless there is a previous indication of gender. In the case of forum members, I check the profile.

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Re: Gendered pronouns
« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2014, 08:07:27 pm »
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New rule:  The generic personal pronoun on this forum shall be "mint," just to further confuse things.
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Re: Gendered pronouns
« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2014, 08:15:05 pm »
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New rule:  The generic personal pronoun on this forum shall be "mint," just to further confuse things.

Or maybe make the male/female pronouns be mint/mine.  Nobody will be able to tell if you make a mistake anyway.
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Re: Gendered pronouns
« Reply #7 on: January 12, 2014, 01:19:36 am »
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I agree with Sudgy. Although I'm not sure mint's aware of what mine just unleashed.
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Re: Gendered pronouns
« Reply #8 on: January 13, 2014, 11:46:43 am »
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Also.... She? Did I check the wrong box somewhere?

http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?action=profile;u=2488


I think I'm going to default to using "she" on forums until/unless someone's gender is actually determined.  Just to change things up a bit.

What is sufficient for "determined"? Can I just tell everybody I'm male, or do you actually have to verify it empirically?
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Re: Gendered pronouns
« Reply #9 on: January 13, 2014, 12:10:41 pm »
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What is sufficient for "determined"? Can I just tell everybody I'm male, or do you actually have to verify it empirically?

It is impossible to empirically test for maleness in a reasonable time frame. Contrary to fairly common belief, it is independent from genitals and DNA. Both psychology and sociology take too long and are too inaccurate for this application.
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Re: Gendered pronouns
« Reply #10 on: January 13, 2014, 12:37:17 pm »
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Just use the Olympic upskirt test...
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Re: Gendered pronouns
« Reply #11 on: January 13, 2014, 02:49:10 pm »
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What is sufficient for "determined"? Can I just tell everybody I'm male, or do you actually have to verify it empirically?

It is impossible to empirically test for maleness in a reasonable time frame. Contrary to fairly common belief, it is independent from genitals and DNA. Both psychology and sociology take too long and are too inaccurate for this application.

Thankfully, it's very easy for someone to indicate whether mint identifies as male or female!
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Re: Gendered pronouns
« Reply #12 on: January 13, 2014, 03:07:12 pm »
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What is sufficient for "determined"? Can I just tell everybody I'm male, or do you actually have to verify it empirically?

It is impossible to empirically test for maleness in a reasonable time frame. Contrary to fairly common belief, it is independent from genitals and DNA. Both psychology and sociology take too long and are too inaccurate for this application.
It would be entirely stupid for us to have different pronouns depending on biological sex, especially considering biological sex isn't any less of a grey area than gender is. The correct way to determine which pronouns to use when referring to someone is to ask them, "which pronouns should I use when referring to you?". This may correlate with their gender. "They"/"them"/"their" are acceptable in the meanwhile.

Revealing one's gender is anyway not a prerequisite for edge-casing and Scout jokes.
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Re: Gendered pronouns
« Reply #13 on: January 13, 2014, 03:12:02 pm »
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"They"/"them"/"their" are acceptable in the meanwhile.

I will use he/she or bend over backwards to avoid using pronouns altogether before I will use they/them/their when referring to a single entity.
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Re: Gendered pronouns
« Reply #14 on: January 13, 2014, 03:37:08 pm »
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Revealing one's gender is anyway not a prerequisite for edge-casing and Scout jokes.
Edge case: when it's a joke about Boy Scouts. You might have to reveal your sexual orientation and religious views, too.


I'm still not completely used to having different pronouns for males and females, so I use whatever I happen to use. Usually it's he, but if I remember to pay attention, I will use they.
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Re: Gendered pronouns
« Reply #15 on: January 13, 2014, 03:42:30 pm »
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"They"/"them"/"their" are acceptable in the meanwhile.

I will use he/she or bend over backwards to avoid using pronouns altogether before I will use they/them/their when referring to a single entity.

I know someone who prefers they/them/their for themselves since they dont identify as either male or female.
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Re: Gendered pronouns
« Reply #16 on: January 13, 2014, 03:43:50 pm »
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"They"/"them"/"their" are acceptable in the meanwhile.

I will use he/she or bend over backwards to avoid using pronouns altogether before I will use they/them/their when referring to a single entity.

I know someone who prefers they/them/their for themselves since they dont identify as either male or female.
If they prefer they/them/their why did you just use "someone" and "themselves"? ;)
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Re: Gendered pronouns
« Reply #17 on: January 13, 2014, 03:47:56 pm »
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"They"/"them"/"their" are acceptable in the meanwhile.

I will use he/she or bend over backwards to avoid using pronouns altogether before I will use they/them/their when referring to a single entity.

I know someone who prefers they/them/their for themselves since they dont identify as either male or female.
If they prefer they/them/their why did you just use "someone" and "themselves"? ;)

Themselves is the 3rd person reflexive pronoun form of they. Since we are using they as a singular in this case, someone is still appropriate as it indicates a singular entity without specifying a gender.
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Re: Gendered pronouns
« Reply #18 on: January 13, 2014, 03:54:38 pm »
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"They"/"them"/"their" are acceptable in the meanwhile.

I will use he/she or bend over backwards to avoid using pronouns altogether before I will use they/them/their when referring to a single entity.

Why?  There is plenty of historical/literary precedence for singular they.
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Re: Gendered pronouns
« Reply #19 on: January 13, 2014, 03:54:59 pm »
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Yeah it's totally fine of course. I was just saying that since 3 different forms of the word were included instead of just they, it suggests that those are the only words they prefer you to use :P I realize they are both still appropriate, just being nit picky.
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Re: Gendered pronouns
« Reply #20 on: January 13, 2014, 03:56:51 pm »
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Also I can't get into a gendered single person pronoun discussion without linking dino comics: http://www.qwantz.com/index.php?comic=2079
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Re: Gendered pronouns
« Reply #21 on: January 13, 2014, 04:01:22 pm »
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"They"/"them"/"their" are acceptable in the meanwhile.

I will use he/she or bend over backwards to avoid using pronouns altogether before I will use they/them/their when referring to a single entity.

Why?  There is plenty of historical/literary precedence for singular they.

Personal preference.

It's hard to shake the English lessons I had as a child, and they taught me not to use those pronouns when referring to a single person.
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Re: Gendered pronouns
« Reply #22 on: January 13, 2014, 04:14:08 pm »
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Guys, save your trash for RSP, this subforum is for plotting illegal attacks on the rightful stewards of the game this website is dedicated to.  It is totally disrespectful of you to derail that.
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Re: Gendered pronouns
« Reply #23 on: January 13, 2014, 04:26:08 pm »
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I'm still not completely used to having different pronouns for males and females, so I use whatever I happen to use. Usually it's he, but if I remember to pay attention, I will use they.

Does Finnish not have gendered pronouns?
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Re: Gendered pronouns
« Reply #24 on: January 13, 2014, 04:26:25 pm »
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Guys, save your trash for RSP, this subforum is for plotting illegal attacks on the rightful stewards of the game this website is dedicated to.  It is totally disrespectful of you to derail that.

This is actually worse than RSP, this is grammar.
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