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[Axxle]

I think that scotty is probably town because that's the alternate raerae wagon yesterday. I was also going to say FTTW was pretty townie, but then I remembered he was dead, oops

But raerae didn't even glance in his direction.  There's a decent chance he's scum.

[Axxle]

Well, looks like raerae is Town...

Oh...my...scum...

Haha, I could do pps.

[mcmcsalot]

Well, looks like raerae is Town...

Oh...my...scum...

Haha, I could do pps.

baring night action confirmation, I will be voting pps today, and i really hope people see how scummy he is

[Robz888]

PPS is also very scummy.

[mcmcsalot]

PPS is also very scummy.

also?

[Axxle]

Vote: pps

I like this vote better. He's scummy for both his interactions with raerae and raerae's interactions with him. Yuma's only got his interactions with raerae.

[Axxle]

PPS is also very scummy.

also?

"Yuma is very scummy, PPS is also very scummy"

[mcmcsalot]

PPS is also very scummy.

also?

"Yuma is very scummy, PPS is also very scummy"

thanks

[shraeye]

yuma's better than pps.

[shraeye]

you ask further down what is the difference between tunneling and strongly believing... tunneling is when you take any case, any evidence, any post and manipulate it so that it looks scummy in your eyes (what apparently you wanted me to do...) strongly believing is when you can look at evidence objectively regardless of what you believe and try to make accurate decisions based off that. I strongly believed raerae was scum, but I ended up tunneling you. That is the difference. And I feel like you voted me because I wasn't tunneling which is just a horrible attitude to take if you ask me because tunneling rarely produces anything positive.

This isn't relevant.  I'm not saying that town yuma would manipulate whatever was available into saying raerae was scummy.  I'm saying townyuma wouldn't have been simultaneously reading scum on raerae, and giving people so many opportunities to look elsewhere.  Your idea of why I was voting you is not correct, but whatever makes it sound like I'm unreasonable, right?

[ashersky]

ash would we have been told if raerae was 1-shot?

All roles will flip as assigned.

[yuma]

Your idea of why I was voting you is not correct, but whatever makes it sound like I'm unreasonable, right?

HEY! I asked you to clarify yesterday and you refused and took a "holier than thou" approach instead so excuse me for not understanding it correctly according to you Mr. "I am too good to explain things to those who are so far beneath me superior mafia playing."

You want me to understand... you should answer my questions... not that expect you will... you aren't exactly known for your helpfulness...

[yuma]

I cannot believe you people ruined my birthday party.

BMO claim post one?

Vote: pingpongsam

This is actually still really scummy.

mcmc from what you said here and what you said after it looks like you got a scum read and then as you read everything that PPS you construed as scummy predicated on this initial read.

PPS is off wagon, so certainly worth looking at--and obviously far superior lynch to me--but I feel like you approached him with a set bias as you reread

[mcmcsalot]

I cannot believe you people ruined my birthday party.

BMO claim post one?

Vote: pingpongsam

This is actually still really scummy.

mcmc from what you said here and what you said after it looks like you got a scum read and then as you read everything that PPS you construed as scummy predicated on this initial read.

PPS is off wagon, so certainly worth looking at--and obviously far superior lynch to me--but I feel like you approached him with a set bias as you reread

I really don't think this was the case, if you look at my reread i flip flopped on lots of people, it just so happens pps has no redeeming town posts and lots of scummy posts.

[pingpongsam]

My flip flopping is scum bait. It's the Town meta I'm trying on this game. mcmc and robz seem to be taking it.

From earlier:

--------Would Lynch Reads:
Eevee
A Drowned Kernel
Yuma
--------Scummy Reads:
scott_pilgrim
Robz888
mcmcsalot
---------Null Reads:
mail-mi
shraeye
---------Town Reads:
Axxle
=========IC Reads:
pingpongsam

Revised:

--------Would Lynch Reads:
mcmcsalot
Robz888
Yuma
---------Null Reads:
A Drowned Kernel
scott_pilgrim
Eevee
mail-mi
---------Town Reads:
shraeye - demanded the raerae lynch in a very non-bussing sort of way
Axxle
=========IC Reads:
pingpongsam

Will be able to reread for a full post tonight because my ever loving flight got cancelled. Have to do the early morning hustle to get on a plane at 8am, though...

[Robz888]

I'm fine to lynch PPS or yuma. I'll pretty much want to lynch the other one tomorrow, regardless.

[pingpongsam]

I'm fine to lynch PPS or yuma. I'll pretty much want to lynch the other one tomorrow, regardless.

Total scum comment. Regardless of any new information you've zeroed in on who you are sure you can railroad into a mislynch.

[Robz888]

I'm fine to lynch PPS or yuma. I'll pretty much want to lynch the other one tomorrow, regardless.

Total scum comment. Regardless of any new information you've zeroed in on who you are sure you can railroad into a mislynch.

If town, please keep hyperbole in check so I can better evaluate you. If scum, stay the course.

[Eevee]

What Robz just said resonates with me very well.

PPS admitted himself he is trying a "flip flop strategy" in this game. Well, town doesn't lie, so if he is town, he has indeed decided that, but it makes him damn hard to read, when I have to be second-guessing myself at all times "is he doing that to be confusing, to be harder to read or does he actually think that". Axxle with often proclaiming things without posting his reasons is the same way for me.

So, I absolutely see how PPS is scummy, but a lot of it seems intentional and I struggle with that.

[ashersky]

Vote Count 2.3:

yuma (3): shraeye, mail-mi, Robz888
PPS (2): mcmcsalot, Axxle

Not Voting (5): Eevee, scott_pilgrim, yuma, A Drowned Kernel, pingpongsam

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Day 2 ends at 4:45 p.m. on March 14, 2014.

[Eevee]

This is where I stand:

Closest to wanting to lynch:
ADK, PPS, yuma, Axxle

Don't wan't to lynch right now:
Robz, mcmcsalot, scott, mail-mi, shraeye


I just reread ADK, and voting behavor wise he does make sense for raerae's partner. He has also been playing it very safe, asking questions, poking holes into some theories without really making many waves. I know I was voting for scott most of yesterday, but that's mostly because I thought raerae couldn't be scum when everyone was suspecting her, and now that we know she was scum, I actually think scott is likelier to be town, so ADK deflecting (..helping me to deflect..) away from raerae towards scott in post #515) is scummy towards me.(Axxle gets scum points for this same thing).

[shraeye]

I'm fine to lynch PPS or yuma. I'll pretty much want to lynch the other one tomorrow, regardless.

Total scum comment. Regardless of any new information you've zeroed in on who you are sure you can railroad into a mislynch.

No, I'm getting consistent townread on Robz.  It might be my towniest read.  Him, scotty, and PPS.  towniest reads right there.

[shraeye]

This is where I stand:

Closest to wanting to lynch:
ADK, PPS, yuma, Axxle

Don't wan't to lynch right now:
Robz, mcmcsalot, scott, mail-mi, shraeye


I just reread ADK, and voting behavor wise he does make sense for raerae's partner. He has also been playing it very safe, asking questions, poking holes into some theories without really making many waves.

Yueah, This almost nearly matches my list.

Absolute scum; no question: yuma
likely scum: ADK, Axxle
eh, scum?:mcmcsalot
eh, town?: mailmi, Eevee
Town peeps: Robz, scotty, PPS

[Robz888]

This is where I stand:

Closest to wanting to lynch:
ADK, PPS, yuma, Axxle

Don't wan't to lynch right now:
Robz, mcmcsalot, scott, mail-mi, shraeye


I just reread ADK, and voting behavor wise he does make sense for raerae's partner. He has also been playing it very safe, asking questions, poking holes into some theories without really making many waves.

Yueah, This almost nearly matches my list.

Absolute scum; no question: yuma
likely scum: ADK, Axxle
eh, scum?:mcmcsalot
eh, town?: mailmi, Eevee
Town peeps: Robz, scotty, PPS

Switch PPS and Axxle, and I agree.

[yuma]

My flip flopping is scum bait. It's the Town meta I'm trying on this game. mcmc and robz seem to be taking it.

Yuck? Why? Like what purpose is this supposed to serve? How does it help anyone but yourself?