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Forum Games / Re: Any void left by Mafia I?
« on: June 08, 2012, 12:39:18 am »I didn't claim Jester, if that's what you're thinking...
That's why they lynched you then, now isn't it?
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That's why they lynched you then, now isn't it?
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 1 UNDERWAY)
« on: June 08, 2012, 12:37:55 am »By the way, Glooble, I have NOT voted Axxle 4 times.
I did in posts: #166, #258, and #760.
The first vote was a feeler vote. The second because I reconsidered his responses to the first (post #201 that you site was actually the UNVOTE inbetween). The last one was only after he posted his comment on "theory" to push a stalling lynch along. A stance on said "theory" he refused to give early on (and was the cause for my original vote).
If you're going to setup redirectional arguments at me, please get them right.
I say we break Galzria again! It's such a fun activity.
Cheers to that.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 1 UNDERWAY)
« on: June 08, 2012, 12:36:24 am »Post moar guise
1) We need to overtake Mafia III in post count
2) Isotropic is still down.
http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?action=stats
Top 10 topics by reply's.
Gogogo!
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 1 UNDERWAY)
« on: June 08, 2012, 12:33:52 am »
By the way, Glooble, I have NOT voted Axxle 4 times.
I did in posts: #166, #258, and #760.
The first vote was a feeler vote. The second because I reconsidered his responses to the first (post #201 that you site was actually the UNVOTE inbetween). The last one was only after he posted his comment on "theory" to push a stalling lynch along. A stance on said "theory" he refused to give early on (and was the cause for my original vote).
If you're going to setup redirectional arguments at me, please get them right.
I did in posts: #166, #258, and #760.
The first vote was a feeler vote. The second because I reconsidered his responses to the first (post #201 that you site was actually the UNVOTE inbetween). The last one was only after he posted his comment on "theory" to push a stalling lynch along. A stance on said "theory" he refused to give early on (and was the cause for my original vote).
If you're going to setup redirectional arguments at me, please get them right.
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Forum Games / Re: Any void left by Mafia I?
« on: June 08, 2012, 12:22:02 am »I also have a story of some IRL friends who played a Mafia game where the mod gave everyone Vanilla Town. (I wasn't actually in that game.) I'm not surprised to see other groups doing it.
I was the first lynch in a game like that.
So... hard.. to not... laugh..
Why am I completely not surprised?
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 1 UNDERWAY)
« on: June 08, 2012, 12:18:20 am »Does that mean we're frayends now?
we're frenemies
O doesn't trust anybody outside of shooting range.
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Variants and Fan Cards / Re: Design Space:
« on: June 07, 2012, 11:45:16 pm »
Also, the Anti-Chancellor isn't really supposed to be toi overly powerful. I think it could be MORE useful than Chancellor (especially in IW engines), but it shouldn't dominate. Just a unique flip on a pretty bad card. I don't know. You don't think it does enough?
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Variants and Fan Cards / Re: Design Space:
« on: June 07, 2012, 11:42:47 pm »
You could simply change the wording (especially as a duration) to "while this card is in play" to prevent KC/TR. The idea is to be similar to Smugglers. It can gain higher cost cards, but it cannot gain VP (Harem/Duchy/Nobles, etc).
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Puzzles and Challenges / Re: Two puzzles
« on: June 07, 2012, 11:20:57 pm »I: What are, "cards that can increase your opponents hand size during your turn?"
I mean, sure, but no. We're looking for a quality that only applies to these three cards and one other.
To be fair, outside of Council Room what other card does this apply to?
Still, not the subset you were looking for, so back to three drawing board.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 1 UNDERWAY)
« on: June 07, 2012, 11:18:34 pm »No, he's doing it right, it's best for scum to say as little as possible.Pretty sure we aren't getting anywhere new and interesting until day 1 ends. I like mafia after day 1 alot more than day 1 mafia
It would be nice to get a post longer than 5 lines long from you. Might help us get somewhere new.
I thought we all agreed with Captain Frisk, and that scum were supposed to stay in the middle of post count/length? [/sarcasm].
I remain unconvinced by the strawman arguments against Axxle. Popsofctown is still my vote.
I'm not surprised.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 1 UNDERWAY)
« on: June 07, 2012, 11:17:24 pm »I don't do long posts on iPhone. Haven't been home for 2 days will try to make a big one tonight in the next 3 hours summarizing my thoughts though I don't have much.
That would indeed be nice, yes. I know you're capable of making strong arguments.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 1 UNDERWAY)
« on: June 07, 2012, 11:09:04 pm »No, he's doing it right, it's best for scum to say as little as possible.Pretty sure we aren't getting anywhere new and interesting until day 1 ends. I like mafia after day 1 alot more than day 1 mafia
It would be nice to get a post longer than 5 lines long from you. Might help us get somewhere new.
Does that change my point?
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 1 UNDERWAY)
« on: June 07, 2012, 11:06:31 pm »Pretty sure we aren't getting anywhere new and interesting until day 1 ends. I like mafia after day 1 alot more than day 1 mafia
It would be nice to get a post longer than 5 lines long from you. Might help us get somewhere new.
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Puzzles and Challenges / Re: Two puzzles
« on: June 07, 2012, 10:19:53 pm »
I: What are, "cards that can increase your opponents hand size during your turn?"
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 1 UNDERWAY)
« on: June 07, 2012, 09:56:23 pm »
Haha, rofl. Whoops. Damn forum didn't give me warning.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 1; DISCUSSION QUICKTOPIC NOW OPEN)
« on: June 07, 2012, 09:55:38 pm »My case (different than others), is laid out mostly in post #760, but the gist of it was this:
When the game first began, I was asking questions of most the people online - Theory questions, sure, but still making them take a stance on issues - Axxle, above and beyond refusing to take part, actively discouraged my form of investigation and scumhunting as useless and a waste of time. In particular, the question I had been asking was along the lines of "What are your feelings on game length? With 3 weeks, we have "as much time as we want" to allow for investigation, or do you feel a quick lynch is good for the town if it presents itself?"
When Jo got up to 6 votes (and went no further), Axxle suddenly jumped in with his thoughts "Hey, lets get this over with. No need to drag things on" - Now hey, I don't disagree with this. As a matter of fact, I actively believe this is the best form of play. What I disagree with is his TIMING. He actively refused to take a stance early, and then threw that out there when it could have the most potential impact. Almost everybody else, I can refer back to how they feel, and hold them accountable to their actions now. But Axxle's LACK of accountability, more, his REFUSAL to allow for accountability, struck me as very very scummy.
Add in to that the fact that he was vote #5 on Pops, and vote #4 on Jotheonah (both times with relatively little reasoning), and it was enough for me to make my case and cast my vote. Others have come out with their own reasons, some I think are valid, some not quite so much. But his play, to me, has not been consistent with honesty that town has no reason NOT to have.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 1 UNDERWAY)
« on: June 07, 2012, 08:52:20 pm »I believe Glooble gave a reason, but no vote.
Tables also said he was going to review, but believed Axxle was showing scummy behavior.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 1 UNDERWAY)
« on: June 07, 2012, 08:50:58 pm »I don't at all believe that my case is "nonexistant", nor do I believe C.F.'s is. I'm not as familiar with the cases brought by J, SFS and... Theorel? Gloobel? I don't recall who has the 5th vote (as has been noted, the forum's rocky status has me slightly disorientated).
Unfortunately, Pops was the 5th vote. That leaves 2 people with arguments, J (who could probably walk up here with someones username & password to verify the contents of the PM from Volt and no-one would believe him), SFS who's reasons were something akin to "I agree with CF", and pops, who gave no reason.
Fair enough. Like I said, it's been a bit hard to follow. I know I've seen two separate cases though (mine and yours). Pops... I would like to hear more from on this, because he chimed in early that he thought Axxle was one of the scummiest people here. Outside of trying to dictate how everybody plays, and offering nothing himself, I'm curious what else Pops saw on Axxle.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 1 UNDERWAY)
« on: June 07, 2012, 08:31:47 pm »
I don't at all believe that my case is "nonexistant", nor do I believe C.F.'s is. I'm not as familiar with the cases brought by J, SFS and... Theorel? Gloobel? I don't recall who has the 5th vote (as has been noted, the forum's rocky status has me slightly disorientated).
It's all well and fine if you wish to IGNORE the case, but saying it isn't there is flat out wrong. There have also been a few others who have voiced concerns our suspicions, but not voted. This is, in my opinion, the strongest "bandwagon" that's rolled, because it's the only one that HASN'T seemed to have people jumping to get on just for the sake of a lynch. At this point, if Axxle were to flip Mafia, it would be extremely telling. If he were to flip town, there would still be good information to be gained.
In comparison, if J flips Mafia, we gain little info since he shot himself basically, and if he flips town, it really doesn't help us, since there's enough suspicion from nearly EVERYBODY that nobody would look particularly scummy in light of his death.
It's all well and fine if you wish to IGNORE the case, but saying it isn't there is flat out wrong. There have also been a few others who have voiced concerns our suspicions, but not voted. This is, in my opinion, the strongest "bandwagon" that's rolled, because it's the only one that HASN'T seemed to have people jumping to get on just for the sake of a lynch. At this point, if Axxle were to flip Mafia, it would be extremely telling. If he were to flip town, there would still be good information to be gained.
In comparison, if J flips Mafia, we gain little info since he shot himself basically, and if he flips town, it really doesn't help us, since there's enough suspicion from nearly EVERYBODY that nobody would look particularly scummy in light of his death.
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Forum Games / Re: Any void left by Mafia I?
« on: June 07, 2012, 08:12:45 pm »I meant what I said about PMing everyone Jester as their role just to see what would happen.
After the 23rd day with no lynch and no nightkills, the town is getting restless...
TLHEA.
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Forum Games / Re: Any void left by Mafia I?
« on: June 07, 2012, 06:23:38 pm »
C.F., you want in, but were ALSO in III and IV. So no discrediting us because we got in the first round before you. You're just as addicted.
I'm in both whenever they happen.
I'm in both whenever they happen.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 1; DISCUSSION QUICKTOPIC NOW OPEN)
« on: June 07, 2012, 05:11:03 pm »Then, this:Question for pops:
Given how hilariously I've blundered everything up, is a self-vote for me at this point a pro-town move in your eyes?
That's the nail in the coffin for me. We have all seen that self-voters can be town members gone mad. Here, he is just trying to give that impression--town member gone mad--without actually casting a vote that makes him more likely to die. It's a calculated move to appear irrational. This reads obvious mafia to me.
Cutting out much of your post, but only because I agree with most of it. This here, however, I want to point out, is more akin to how TINAS played in M-I. Asking (or threatening) and then not doing. And we know the outcome of that. You were also VERY suspicious of TINAS over the play, so I don't think that you've changed at all (or that your suspicion is unjustified).
I believe I've said before, and I don't mind repeating:
I think Jo *could* be Mafia trying to play the "flipped-out" card that has hit townies in the past. I just think that I feel I'm more likely to hit Mafia lynching Axxle today than Jo. With that said, I have NO problems with seeing Jo die D1 as a Policy Lynch. If we don't discourage this type of play, from town and Mafia alike, we'll never know if it's truthful or bluffing. But for my money, I would *rather* kill a Mafia than enforce a Policy Lynch, hence my vote on Axxle, and not Jo right now.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 1; DISCUSSION QUICKTOPIC NOW OPEN)
« on: June 07, 2012, 04:35:37 pm »My case (different than others), is laid out mostly in post #760, but the gist of it was this:
Why do I always get uneasy when G makes a reasonable point?
Man, life is going to be hell for me in these games.
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News and Announcements / Re: Server issues
« on: June 07, 2012, 04:31:29 pm »Both Isotropic and the Dominion Strategy Forum were down today. Now I know what hell would be like.
I don't think I have ever clicked Refresh (while muttering 'please, come on!') so many times in a single afternoon.
And here I really was wondering how you were surviving without Iso, OR Mafia.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 1; DISCUSSION QUICKTOPIC NOW OPEN)
« on: June 07, 2012, 04:10:49 pm »
My case (different than others), is laid out mostly in post #760, but the gist of it was this:
When the game first began, I was asking questions of most the people online - Theory questions, sure, but still making them take a stance on issues - Axxle, above and beyond refusing to take part, actively discouraged my form of investigation and scumhunting as useless and a waste of time. In particular, the question I had been asking was along the lines of "What are your feelings on game length? With 3 weeks, we have "as much time as we want" to allow for investigation, or do you feel a quick lynch is good for the town if it presents itself?"
When Jo got up to 6 votes (and went no further), Axxle suddenly jumped in with his thoughts "Hey, lets get this over with. No need to drag things on" - Now hey, I don't disagree with this. As a matter of fact, I actively believe this is the best form of play. What I disagree with is his TIMING. He actively refused to take a stance early, and then threw that out there when it could have the most potential impact. Almost everybody else, I can refer back to how they feel, and hold them accountable to their actions now. But Axxle's LACK of accountability, more, his REFUSAL to allow for accountability, struck me as very very scummy.
Add in to that the fact that he was vote #5 on Pops, and vote #4 on Jotheonah (both times with relatively little reasoning), and it was enough for me to make my case and cast my vote. Others have come out with their own reasons, some I think are valid, some not quite so much. But his play, to me, has not been consistent with honesty that town has no reason NOT to have.
When the game first began, I was asking questions of most the people online - Theory questions, sure, but still making them take a stance on issues - Axxle, above and beyond refusing to take part, actively discouraged my form of investigation and scumhunting as useless and a waste of time. In particular, the question I had been asking was along the lines of "What are your feelings on game length? With 3 weeks, we have "as much time as we want" to allow for investigation, or do you feel a quick lynch is good for the town if it presents itself?"
When Jo got up to 6 votes (and went no further), Axxle suddenly jumped in with his thoughts "Hey, lets get this over with. No need to drag things on" - Now hey, I don't disagree with this. As a matter of fact, I actively believe this is the best form of play. What I disagree with is his TIMING. He actively refused to take a stance early, and then threw that out there when it could have the most potential impact. Almost everybody else, I can refer back to how they feel, and hold them accountable to their actions now. But Axxle's LACK of accountability, more, his REFUSAL to allow for accountability, struck me as very very scummy.
Add in to that the fact that he was vote #5 on Pops, and vote #4 on Jotheonah (both times with relatively little reasoning), and it was enough for me to make my case and cast my vote. Others have come out with their own reasons, some I think are valid, some not quite so much. But his play, to me, has not been consistent with honesty that town has no reason NOT to have.