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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 2 START!)

« on: June 12, 2012, 11:59:12 am »

Well, I'm going to hold off on saying anything more about SFS until 1. he defends himself and 2. some other town have had a chance to weigh in (especially pops, who is oh-so-sure SFS is town.) Jo is starting to look worse to me. For that matter, so is Galz. No vote yet. I'm going to work. WIll be back on tonight around 9 most likely.

Ah, you're probably right. I'm letting J draw me into a pointless argument, and I know better. My vote stands for now, because of the reasons laid out, but responding to his posts at this point is rather, well, pointless.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 2 START!)

« on: June 12, 2012, 11:31:33 am »

@J

Voting for me does not show suspicion. Making logical, well reasoned arguments does. But that's something you've been incapable of this game... Or at least, especially D2.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 2 START!)

« on: June 12, 2012, 11:10:40 am »

Guys, Robz and Galz are acting weird! They're putting a lot of energy into pointing at each other and saying "he's town, but you should be suspecting him anyway." They're like a perverse Tweedle-Dee and Tweedle-Dum. What's the game?

I mean, even if you are both town, why is it productive to point the rest of the town at someone you think is town and tell them to consider that they could be scum?

Like, Robz, if you think Galz is mafia, then say Galz is mafia and make a case. And if you think he's town, then leave him alone. But seriously pick one.

Is that your D2 strategy? Attack anybody who suspects you? You haven't made one valid argument today, and appear to be actively trying to (unsuccessfuly) play like O or Pops today.

It isn't all that "wierd" to point out that people should not acquit me so easily. If they do for me, they will for others, and that allows opportunities for Mafia to hide.

Your play has become more and more erratic, with no clear vision. I didn't come into today planning on voting for you, but every time you speak, you're appearing more and more scummy.

Vote: Jotheonah

If people want to join me, great. If not, well that's ok too. I can't see anybody reading more scummy to me as the day wears on however.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 2 START!)

« on: June 12, 2012, 10:41:37 am »

@Glooble

Well, it's a start. It's essentially the case I laid out against myself in post #1223. Thing is, I'm town this game. But it doesn't do anybody any favors to just assume that. Especially with my history of being Mafia while appearing town. If I can pull it off, so can others. So never disregard anybody.

@Jotheonah

Your defense is weak at best. It IS good Mafia play because acting the way you did has a history of flipping up town. And it's that history that caused your bandwagon to die. If you are Mafia or not this game, I don't know. But the fact is the longer we allow that style of play to be acceptable, and if we start writing it off as "bad-town" play, the easier it's going to be for the Mafia to hide in such tactics.

You played a strong town game in M-II. The only non-Mafia that really thought you might be scum was Voltgloss. And by the end, even he was hesitant. You watched Morgrim get lynched for crazy. You watched me get lynched for crazy. You watched TINAS and Robz almost get lynched for crazy. Why in the world would you come in here playing the crazy game? As Mafia, OR Town?

Like I said. I'm not sure. But I've seen you play in two other games, and both times thought your overall plan was much more advanced than you would APPEAR to be playing now. So I feel forced to set appearances aside, and instead look at the more obscure, strategical reasons for your actions. I don't buy what's on the surface.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: MAFIA V: Emptying the Apothecary Pile (Sign-ups open, won''t start til 3/4 ends)

« on: June 12, 2012, 09:11:43 am »

With this list of players I might NEED a sanity check by the time we're through.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 2 START!)

« on: June 12, 2012, 01:29:03 am »

Robz, as usual, you and I agree on a lot. I don't like being acquitted so easily and in such an off-hand manner any more than you do. It's just uncanny and unsettling.   I just don't know how to change it.

I voted for Axxle1. I more or less drove the wagon. It's rather disconcerting (and perhaps disheartening) that our community would just set me aside, assured in my innocence. They should be considering EVERYBODY, and not writing anybody off.

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Dominion General Discussion / Re: Dominion Limericks!

« on: June 11, 2012, 11:58:42 pm »

Thief

Noone gives love to the Thief
For his crimes are beyond disbelief
Some say he's no good
WW says misunderstood
But we all know Noble Brigand is chief.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 2 START!)

« on: June 11, 2012, 11:05:56 pm »

Ok, you know what? Today needs a little less conversation, a little more action please.

Vote: Robz888

+1 for the song

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 2 START!)

« on: June 11, 2012, 11:01:04 pm »

@Axxle2

My suspicion is because, well, I'm good at getting people killed. As long as I don't target them, what do they care?

Either that, or they felt as vote #1 on Axxle1, I would be an easy target D2.

The problem with the "why didn't they kill X" argument, is that it can be made strongly against anybody alive, with good reasons to back up the question. But as Town, I really can't give a satisfactory answer, because I don't know.

The only people who could answer that question about themselves with any certainty are the Mafia themselves.

Moreover, what's known is that they DID target 1 of 2 people. It seems to me that it would be easier to figure out the motivation AGAINST 1 of 2 people, than the motivation as to why they DIDN'T target 12 other individuals.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 2 START!)

« on: June 11, 2012, 10:53:14 pm »

Ok, metamafia arguments aside there is a BIG DANGEROUS FALLACY attached to my wagon.

It is the fallacy of weird=scummy. It is a fallacy that loses mafia games.

So Robz, Dsell, and Galzria, ye who are so focused on my "weird," "bad," and "not like Mafia II" play, please be so kind as to explain why that play equates in any way to good mafia play.

Good Mafia play is play that does not get you lynched. Were you lynched?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Bastard Mafia I - IGG (Registration)

« on: June 11, 2012, 10:51:30 pm »

Call me Galzria. He seems to get away with murder all the time.

Damned if I know why!

Hey, Axxle, start this already!

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 2 START!)

« on: June 11, 2012, 10:49:27 pm »

Blerg. It's frustrating and ironic that the weight around my neck THIS GAME is how supposedly good I was LAST GAME even though last game my team LOST HORRIBLY.

Galzria just wants to think MII town was at all good because then it stands to follow that he as mafia had to be even more pro 

No, I wasn't BAD, but I have no clue why people there believed me. I got WAY more lucky than I was good. I just said things, and people went "oh, ok".

Hell, Axxle1 died for the same reason! I should just not talk when I play town. I have a tenancy to get people killed, and I'm not entirely sure why.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 2 START!)

« on: June 11, 2012, 10:37:09 pm »

until we needed him to be.

Exactly..

That's irrelevant to my point though that a town J plays VERY differently than the J here has. I'm not condemning him, but I don't understand why he would make the change to crazy, when he saw exactly how well it worked for others first hand.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 2 START!)

« on: June 11, 2012, 10:33:55 pm »

Could it be maybe that I saw how much fun O seemed to be having with this game and thought the game would be more fun if I played it more like O? And then realized that the way O plays is actually much more advanced AND more difficult than it looks?

No.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: MAFIA V: Emptying the Apothecary Pile (Sign-ups open, won''t start til 3/4 ends)

« on: June 11, 2012, 10:32:40 pm »

I am in.

Damn. Beaten by 35 seconds. Is that how long it took you to log out of Robz and into Galzria to sign-up twice?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: MAFIA V: Emptying the Apothecary Pile (Sign-ups open, won''t start til 3/4 ends)

« on: June 11, 2012, 10:30:49 pm »

In

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 2 START!)

« on: June 11, 2012, 10:25:03 pm »

Yes O, it did, but not because J appeared anything other than town until we needed him to be.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Bastard Mafia I - IGG (Registration)

« on: June 11, 2012, 10:23:23 pm »

Oh, no, he's back! Lets lynch him quick! Vote: Robz.

Hello! Had some computer trouble today, just catching up. I see that I already died... And came back.

Welcome back! What shall we call your new self? Robz888 the Original has already died and we can't have two of you.

Call him Robz999.

In. Or as the new "in" goes, VOTE: ROBZ999/ROBZ888 jr.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 2 START!)

« on: June 11, 2012, 10:20:24 pm »

The problem I have with your assessment of Jotheonah is this Glooble:

He played a MUCH stronger town game in M-II. Robz and I both had to learn our lesson about playing fast and loose as town after our Mafia win, but J's actions just don't follow. If he were town, why would he change up a strategy that stood strongly once already? I would expect a change in composure if he DID have something to hide, not the other way 'round.

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Solo Challenges / Re: Back to the Future:

« on: June 11, 2012, 09:06:57 pm »

This is harder than it looks! I was surprised how much shuffle luck is required, at least with my strategy. The best I could do was 60 turns:

http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201206/11/game-20120611-174858-ce23a58b.html

Keep forgetting to update: Will do so tomorrow to add you and Fate.

It was surprisingly difficult for how simple it seemed.

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Puzzles and Challenges / Re: Accursed Wealth

« on: June 11, 2012, 09:02:10 pm »

132?

KC (1)formula is 2n-1, so 10 chained allow for 19 KC'd cards.
10 played on Montebank (2), while you hold a Trader (3) is 60 Silvers.
9 more played on Governor (4), gains you 27 more Silvers.
9 Jesters (5) gain you 9 Silvers
9 Swindlers (6) hit 7 Duchies and 2 Saboteurs (7), turning them into 9 Cache's ( for 27 Silvers
7 Saboteurs hit 7 Provinces, turning them into 7 Gold
2 Ambassadors (9) return 2 Gold, gaining you 2 Gold.
Scrying Pool (10) to draw everything.

The KC-Governor provides the 27 actions needed for terminal plays.

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Goko Dominion Online / Re: Unofficial Interested in beta list

« on: June 11, 2012, 08:13:14 pm »

I would like to beta test it. I could easily do so from any of 3 major platforms: PC, Android, iOS.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Bastard Mafia I - IGG (Registration)

« on: June 11, 2012, 06:03:05 pm »

CLAIM: Diadem

You each have to send me a dollar, in the mail, for each unused night action.

This is his second claim! Lynch all Liars!

For the record, I'm the Hunting Party, and my power is observe and list the following 5 posters after my own posts, then search backwards and day-kill the first person not in that list.

This occurs every time I post.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Bastard Mafia I - IGG (Registration)

« on: June 11, 2012, 05:24:45 pm »

How much you wanna bet some of us get role PMs totally different from the one in the OP?

I would be more surprised if we didn't.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Bastard Mafia I - IGG (Registration)

« on: June 11, 2012, 04:42:20 pm »

Oh, I suppose I should get the paperwork out of the way since it'll be a silent night start:

I do not suspect Morgrim. As a fellow solo-challenge host, he's much too nice to be scum.