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13851
I'm mad that I misread you in MIV and MV so I'm going to vote for you here.

I'll accept that.

lol.

You ask for reasons, I provide them, and you go right back to hiding behind your meta.

13852
Damnit! Why haven't we started! I needed an excuse not to go to sleep, and now I don't have one! FoS Cayvie!

13853
I think you're overly defensive, and aggressively FoS'ing or voting for anybody that disagrees with you. You're  trying to suppress any reason to suspect you by making people uncomfortable looking your way... And to my mind you're twisting events in previous games to try and make yourself seem more valuable to town.

You're meta has been consistent, and it's anti-town. It was that way in M-III when you were town, and it was that way in M-IV when you were scum. M-V is slightly different due to the mechanics of the game, but D2 especially you applied the same meta again.

Given all of that, (although especially your indignant attitude), I'm willing to cast my vote on you.

13854
Question for everyone: pops or Lekkit to be lynched today?

Captain Frisk or Cayvie, wanting to lynch  me based off the inaccurate meta they ascribed me rubs me wrong (AKA OMGUS).

Actually, Captain Frisk is terrible whenever he's scum (see MIV, MVI.. especially MIV "I claim serial killer and they still think I'm mafia" proness...) and pretty decent whenever he's town (see the MV win he pulled out of his ass).

Vote:CAYVIE

brb, seeing who else wasted time criticizing my meta.

general note: policy-lynches, AKA lynches that people can't be blamed for when they hit townies, are dumb. so FOS eevee I guess.

PPE: FOS cayvie too. You can FOS and vote simultaneously, right?

What about Galz, the player who actually described the meta?

I already tried lynching Galz. You all didn't seem up to it.

Plus galz is tracker and we don't want to lynch a PR day 1, wait till at least D2 to do that.

You're funny. You're like that guy on Iso who claims the only reason he ever losses is because of bad shuffle luck.

Vote: O

13855
Tim, try again. I made my case in #815 (against PPS,, wrongly), corrected to you less than 3 hours later (not more than 24 as you claim) in #824, and then vote you before it's OMGUS as you claim I did, just 6 posts later in #830.

Oh, here's the votecount from #838, showing I voted for you first:

Vote Count 2-5

shark_bait (2): Eevee, Young Nick
manda2014 (2): pingpongsam, timchen
timchen (1): Galzria

Not Voting {2}: manda2014, shark_bait

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch

Lynch deadline: Monday, August 13, at 8:00 p.m. forum time (EDT)

If you're going to "summarize" your case, it helps if you don't flat out lie.

Sorry, missed your post #830. I hope it should be pretty clear that I cannot have consciously made this mistake.

Still, the point is the same. There are more than 24 hours silence for you between that post and the next. You were definitely not pushing that argument. And while we are asking your opinion about other things, you just OMGUSed back. Without further reason.

No, OMGUS is when you vote with no reason. I laid out my reason. You softclaimed. I saw it. Manda saw it. PPS saw it.

Now, there are two claims you can make:

Yes, I did softclaim,

Or

No, I did not softclaim.

You stated the second, which indeed I choose not to believe because I didn't think you could be so oblivious to the fact that it would get read that way. "I think Eevee is town, but don't want to say why unless I have to" IS going to be read as a softclaim.

Now, since I just could not (and can not) comprehend you being that oblivious to the fact that it would be read that way, I must conclude you meant to do it.

This then leads to two possibilities:

You did it as town

OR

You did it as scum

Since making a softclaim like that as town is rather idiotic, and I don't think you're an idiot, I was left to conclude that the second option was the more likely. The case for this is made in #815.

Here's why it works if you're scum: Generally speaking, if town sees a softclaim, they don't call it out because they hope scum didn't notice. If you make this softclaim as scum, and people go "Oh, he's softclaiming to have cleared Eevee - let's focus on another target" (you provided two, through reasonable analysis under the assumption Eevee = town). So we go about scumhunting Manda/YN as you propose. But remember, you're scum in this scenario, and those two are both town. So let's say we lynch one (was likely, as I suspected YN heavily anyway, and PPS did Manda) - and they flip town. Now we open D3, and you come out and full-claim, saying you breadcrumbed it back with your softclaim. What's more, you've found scum, and it's X.

Town must somehow decide to lynch you instead of X, or they lose - and that's just not going to happen. So an unchallenged softclaim by scum today almost certainly would result in a town loss.

SO: Given that I didn't think you would be oblivious enough to have not known that was going to be read as a softclaim, AND the fact that I didn't think you would play such a terrible town as to make the claim intentionally, the only logical conclusion was that you were scum trying to pull a fairly straightforward gambit.

This was ALL spelled out in #815 & #830, and was prior to your ever releasing your "proof" of Eevee's innocence. The entire case was made already, and my vote cast, before you ever released your "proof" of Eevee's innocence where you claimed it had to be a Galz+X pair. The fact that your Eevee proof dropped SB entirely, and dismissed PPS entirely - leaving just you and me as possible scum on the wagon - did little to make me consider you any less scummy.

Now, in light of your play the last two days, I must conclude I was wrong in my initial judgments of your softclaim. Since you still absolutely stand by the fact that you didn't softclaim, I will choose to only discredit my first assumption:

That you wouldn't be oblivious to the fact that it would be read that way. Apparently you were. How this can be... I just don't know or understand. But I believe you're town, and I still don't believe you would play town so poorly intentionally, so all that's left is that you just didn't realize your softclaim would get read that way.

..... That doesn't sit well with me, but what else can I conclude?

13856
Tim, try again. I made my case in #815 (against PPS,, wrongly), corrected to you less than 3 hours later (not more than 24 as you claim) in #824, and then vote you before it's OMGUS as you claim I did, just 6 posts later in #830.

Oh, here's the votecount from #838, showing I voted for you first:

Vote Count 2-5

shark_bait (2): Eevee, Young Nick
manda2014 (2): pingpongsam, timchen
timchen (1): Galzria

Not Voting {2}: manda2014, shark_bait

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch

Lynch deadline: Monday, August 13, at 8:00 p.m. forum time (EDT)

If you're going to "summarize" your case, it helps if you don't flat out lie.

13857
i'm just curious, galz: what happens if we lynch voltgloss?

Why would we? He's nowhere near as scummy as Robz...

13858
Vote: Robz

13859
Is the deadline Friday, 7am - or the 11th, 7am (Saturday)?

13860
Introductions / Re: Why You Should Get To Know Robz888
« on: August 08, 2012, 04:19:27 pm »
Born in MI here. Howell to be exact. Lived there 9 years before moving to Chicago (7 years there) before San Diego for 2 years, and Sunnyvale since.

13861
Unvote

What happens if Volt makes a bunch of votes/unvotes that you don't sheep in time?

First available post matches.

Does that mean you can choose to leave your vote on somebody Volt has unvoted, as long as you don't post again?

Hmm, never thought about that... Interesting...

13862
Unvote

What happens if Volt makes a bunch of votes/unvotes that you don't sheep in time?

First available post matches.

13863
Wait, is ftl in this game?

13864
Unvote

13865
Vote: Galzria ;D Master lyncher lynches self.

You're not a lyncher you just want more stats in the mafia leaderboard!

I'm bummed because this game won't count, right?

Oh... I am counting it

You can't count Bastard Games. They aren't inherently balanced.

But medical mafia was?

That wasn't a Bastard game... Although yeah, I would debate the merits of it counting too.

13866
Vote: Galzria ;D Master lyncher lynches self.

You're not a lyncher you just want more stats in the mafia leaderboard!

I'm bummed because this game won't count, right?

Oh... I am counting it

You can't count Bastard Games. They aren't inherently balanced.

13867
What else can we say before Lekkit locks us?

Vote: Lekkit I've been calling it since D1.

13868
Vote: Galzria ;D Master lyncher lynches self.

13869
Yay, hooray. Now can we please lynch Jo?

Vote: Robz

No lyncher win for you.

13870
I said in the first place if you say nothing I will vote for whoever you votes for, whenever I want.

That's your choice, not mine.

13871
I never told you to in the first place.

13872
manda, rush over here and defend yourself now!

Your scummate getting close to lynch? Didn't see that coming, did you?

13873
I am sorry about it Young_Nick  ;)

@PPS: I found your assertion that both me and Galzria are town quite interesting. I would assume you saying this knowing yourself is also town. If that is the case, then there are no scum on the first 4 people on the frisk wagon. Can you explain how it is possible for both of the scum to refuse to lynch a townie for such a long time?

Put yourself in their shoes: A no-lynch benefits them, as they start the game with a free NK basically. If there's no chance of a wagon forming on one of them, why SHOULD they do the scummy thing of pushing a town wagon? Add into the fact that a wagoneer died, and not somebody off the wagon, and there is a decent chance neither Mafia were on. I stated my belief in this very early in the day.

Consider as well that f.DS has never actually reached no-lynch, we've always lynched at deadline. There's every reason to believe that it would've happened here. The only two wagons that could tip were CF, and myself. Both town. So why in the world would they have voted CF? Let town do the ugly work... Because inevitably they always do.

13874
Vote: Manda

Pro-lurker, and while I really found YN scummy D1, I didn't get the same feeling that he was trying to play up mine and Timchen's conflict today. If, as I now strongly believe, Tim and I are both town (Tim, master props to you if you are pulling this wild-ass crazy as Mafia), then I need to focus on who has been happy to encourage it along.

Eevee and Manda stand out, PPS is slightly behind that. YN and Sharkie have read null/confused to me.

Manda gave off a town read to me D1. She's been playing safe all game. And her lurker playstyle has gotten a handful of Mafia through to victory in previous games.

If it's not Timchen or I, this feels like a good place to start.

13875
Well, I have no intention of controlling Timchen's vote, so at this point the whole thing is largely ignorable to me.

Timchen, your order is this: Of you are town, vote for whoever you like. If you are scum, vote for yourself... j/k Vote for whoever you like.

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