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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M141: the coalition (the coalition phase)
« on: August 29, 2024, 06:35:14 am »
Robz/joth are you willing to consider the list that’s currently in the majority?
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M141: the coalition (the coalition phase)
« on: August 28, 2024, 11:52:44 am »Ok so scola is thread spewed town? For not having any coalition votes? Is that a viable read in this game/meta?
By the way sorry for not posting much but I am involved in too many things
Remove everyone
Add: Mix, cuzz, scola, mcmc, robz
Alternatively I can agree with the current coalition but I think there's like 0% chance of it being game winning. Mine trusts the bros, but that's about all it does.
Why 0% when the baseline is 17%?
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M141: the coalition (the coalition phase)
« on: August 27, 2024, 10:42:52 pm »
Remove: MiX
Add: Awaclus
Add: Awaclus
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M141: the coalition (the coalition phase)
« on: August 27, 2024, 04:10:43 pm »
Add: mcmc
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M141: the coalition (the coalition phase)
« on: August 27, 2024, 02:36:58 pm »Yea! I typed the following post with the removal and adding bolded:Oh and to clarify that post was bolded upon initial typing. I took the bolding out when I realized what was happening
Can you explain what was happening exactly?
"Remove: All
Add: Mcmc
Add: Robz
Add: Cuzz
Add: Mixx
Add: Eevee
Adding Cuzz for activity and townieness. Removing Joth for scu"
And as I was typing scum I stopped and thought to myself oh god I am omgus scum reading joth for losely D1 scumreading me for being active for the millionth time and I absolutely must stop. Then I removed the bolding so as to not change my current coalition of me, robz, joth, eevee, mix and continued to make the post because I think its helpful.
Also I know that the fact that I frequently scum read Joth as town early on in a game would seem to be counter to the fact that I think I can read Joth well however my "ability to read X player well" was directed at the ability to correctly guess the players alignment late game via a re-read.
Ok but a misplaced scumread is of such less consequence in this game. You’re not going to mislynch someone by leaving them off your list. But if you put someone on your list you’re saying “I think this person is town,” and your reference to misreading joth in other games says nothing to justify a townread on him this game.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M141: the coalition (the coalition phase)
« on: August 27, 2024, 02:23:06 pm »Oh and to clarify that post was bolded upon initial typing. I took the bolding out when I realized what was happening
Can you explain what was happening exactly?
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M141: the coalition (the coalition phase)
« on: August 27, 2024, 02:21:37 pm »I don't have a townread on him, but I added him to my coalition because he's more active and thus possibly easier to read than the somewhat unknown (to me at least) quantities.
Every part of this sentence seems false to me.
Well it's the truth.
The truth is that you don’t have a read on him but you’re including him because he’s easy to read?
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M141: the coalition (the coalition phase)
« on: August 27, 2024, 02:20:41 pm »My bottom two slots are very open, which is why I want to hear more from Jack and scola.
But mcmc and Cuzz are excluded by design.
It’s not that either of them is being scummy per se (the randomness thing is barely a case, even I admit). But when I think about how active a role scum is most likely taking in the coalition shaping, those are the slots I’m drawn to.
I’m being pretty active but I disagree that I’m doing all that much to shape the coalition so far. I haven’t even chosen a 5th member yet.
People can do what they want but again I think there’s a little too much high dimensional chess going on. To me it seems like the way to go is basically to list folks from townie to scummy, take your top 5, and then try to have at least 5 of us come to a consensus.
It’s ok if you don’t think I’m town, but I’d much prefer being left off because of an argument that there are 5 specific people townier than me.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M141: the coalition (the coalition phase)
« on: August 27, 2024, 02:05:30 pm »
But also, I strongly suggest we play this phase by actually trying to develop reads and put people in the coalition that you genuinely think are probably town.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M141: the coalition (the coalition phase)
« on: August 27, 2024, 02:04:00 pm »I don't have a townread on him, but I added him to my coalition because he's more active and thus possibly easier to read than the somewhat unknown (to me at least) quantities.
Every part of this sentence seems false to me.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M141: the coalition (the coalition phase)
« on: August 27, 2024, 01:58:04 pm »
Where is everyone’s townread on awaclus coming from?
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M141: the coalition (the coalition phase)
« on: August 27, 2024, 01:40:20 pm »If it was me it would be B
What does this mean? That you would only make the kind of post that Eevee did if you were scum?
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M141: the coalition (the coalition phase)
« on: August 27, 2024, 11:20:35 am »
Daychat means scum can end up being less active in thread than they mean to be, since however active they feel like they’re being during the day, some large fraction of that is hidden away in the scum chat.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M141: the coalition (the coalition phase)
« on: August 27, 2024, 11:18:43 am »Man, scum having day chat was NOT advertised very prominently. I thought I had read the setup carefully enough—it's a new setup!—and I didn't notice it.
Did other people notice it? Other than Eevee? I was not scum!reading Eevee at all, but in this specific case it seems like something scum would recognize more readily than town. It's only noted in the mafia PM...
I noticed it from reading the mafiascum wiki page before the game began.
Eevee either just noticed it or decided to pretend to just notice it for cheap town points.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M141: the coalition (the coalition phase)
« on: August 27, 2024, 11:13:14 am »That's partly why I'm not too bothered about speculating about this out loud. I guarantee scum is having these conversations, so we may as well have them out in the open here so that everyone is equally aware of the game. Also, it's something to talk about.
I strongly agree with this remark in general, but particularly because scum have day chat... and also, we don't have PRs. The number one reason to avoid setup speculation is to avoid outing special townies, or avoid giving scum indication of who has thought about setup ramifications the hardest.
Isn’t it also to avoid giving scum ideas about optimal play that they may not have thought of?
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M141: the coalition (the coalition phase)
« on: August 27, 2024, 10:54:26 am »mcmc is out for me for now.
I think I like add: Robz and add: MiX for now mostly based on tone so far and I’ll look more closely at others later.
In this game too there is essentially no pro town excuse for lurking—if you’re town you want to be in the coalition and no one can add you if you’re not talking and giving others something to go off of, so I’m most likely gonna not have a sense of my full list until we’re a few days in and everyone has said a decent amount each.
Why are you out on me? Do you not like my idea for how to formulate the coalition, do you think my stated ability to read people is disingenuous, or just don't like that I am excluding you?
I think you seem a bit jumpy
Jumpy like quick to act? That's reasonable, I am excited to be playing again! Though not sure why thats scummy. Unless you mean jumpy like skittish which I don't think I have been.But I do also wonder why you specifically don’t want to consider me—did you buy joth’s argument that being against a random coalition is scummy?
No, I don't think being against a random coalition is scummy. I think town is as likely to not want that as scum. I took you out only because I felt robz and joth would have a better time reading eevee than you. You are absolutely my 6th man up currently, as stated I think I can read you and eevee better than Awaclus, Scola, and Jack but worse than Robz, Joth, and Mix
I also just disagree with this approach in general—the point of this phase is still scumhunting, and we win if we do it well.
You seem to be assuming (hoping?) that it’s certain we won’t get it right in this phase and out of the gate you are jumping to this meta level based on who can read whom best going forwards, instead of just who seems most likely to be town.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M141: the coalition (the coalition phase)
« on: August 27, 2024, 10:40:09 am »They are probably pushing each other to be added to the coalition, aren't they?
We need to have town steer the ship so everyone (just town!) be extra stubborn and suspicious of mafia trying to manipulate you. They can cook up all sort of schemes in the day chat.
Who is “they?” Just scum in general?
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M141: the coalition (the coalition phase)
« on: August 27, 2024, 10:38:39 am »vote counts in this phase are going to be a nightmare to keep track ofIf you want to help the nice mod men out just post your full list any time you edit it.
I agree this seems like a friendly thing to do. I’ll get in the habit once I’ve got 5
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M141: the coalition (the coalition phase)
« on: August 27, 2024, 10:32:22 am »
vote counts in this phase are going to be a nightmare to keep track of
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M141: the coalition (the coalition phase)
« on: August 27, 2024, 10:31:44 am »
Add: joth
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M141: the coalition (the coalition phase)
« on: August 27, 2024, 10:31:04 am »Something I just noticed about the setup: Mafia has day talk!
Add: Eevee
lol
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M141: the coalition (the coalition phase)
« on: August 27, 2024, 10:25:34 am »
But I do also wonder why you specifically don’t want to consider me—did you buy joth’s argument that being against a random coalition is scummy?
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M141: the coalition (the coalition phase)
« on: August 27, 2024, 10:23:13 am »mcmc is out for me for now.
I think I like add: Robz and add: MiX for now mostly based on tone so far and I’ll look more closely at others later.
In this game too there is essentially no pro town excuse for lurking—if you’re town you want to be in the coalition and no one can add you if you’re not talking and giving others something to go off of, so I’m most likely gonna not have a sense of my full list until we’re a few days in and everyone has said a decent amount each.
Why are you out on me? Do you not like my idea for how to formulate the coalition, do you think my stated ability to read people is disingenuous, or just don't like that I am excluding you?
I think you seem a bit jumpy
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M141: the coalition (the coalition phase)
« on: August 27, 2024, 10:21:59 am »Mcmc seems towny, I agree with the analysis regarding building the coalition around players that are easy to read or will drive the game forward a lot.
I think for scum it's going to be more natural than usual to lay low here, avoiding attention seems especially tempting for them here.
I think we just do not even consider putting anyone who could be described as “laying low” into the coalition.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M141: the coalition (the coalition phase)
« on: August 27, 2024, 09:53:45 am »
mcmc is out for me for now.
I think I like add: Robz and add: MiX for now mostly based on tone so far and I’ll look more closely at others later.
In this game too there is essentially no pro town excuse for lurking—if you’re town you want to be in the coalition and no one can add you if you’re not talking and giving others something to go off of, so I’m most likely gonna not have a sense of my full list until we’re a few days in and everyone has said a decent amount each.
I think I like add: Robz and add: MiX for now mostly based on tone so far and I’ll look more closely at others later.
In this game too there is essentially no pro town excuse for lurking—if you’re town you want to be in the coalition and no one can add you if you’re not talking and giving others something to go off of, so I’m most likely gonna not have a sense of my full list until we’re a few days in and everyone has said a decent amount each.