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Puzzles and Challenges / Re: Giving ruins over curses

« on: August 31, 2012, 08:38:52 am »

Your opponent is running an engine that can just ever so barely draw the whole deck, and really needs to draw the whole deck or it might fall completely apart- say double-Tac with mediocre support for whatever reason, I dunno.

Furthermore, the only trasher on the board is Transmute.  Your opponent's Transmute can get rid of Curses as they come in, but the Ruins would turn into Duchies, still a combo-threatening dead card.

Is it weird that this is seriously the first thing I thought of?  Even before Mountebank?

Representing the transmute-love.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia VIII: Pirates of the Pearl Coast - Day 3 Started. PM for QT.

« on: August 30, 2012, 08:41:20 pm »

i think it depends on how strong is your strongest scum read. vig should definitely be able to do better than random.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia X - The Death of Donald X. Day 2

« on: August 30, 2012, 08:11:01 pm »

Welcome, Voltaire! I was sort of v/la, but nothing that happened here made me change my mind about ashersky. Dont have any opinion on Volt yet.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia VIII: Pirates of the Pearl Coast - Day 3 Started. PM for QT.

« on: August 30, 2012, 08:08:12 pm »

Sorry for being absent, IRL business i warned you about and checking this on phone feels stupid because typing on iphone (like I'm doing now because I feel I need to get a post in before going to sleep) is super slow and annoying. I think it might be better to only read when I can actually post properly.

I think ehunts defense makes a ton of sense, he was looking really scummy to me until the vote & unvote incident but not anymore. I still have the earlier town reads on O and Galz (milder). Insomniac is looking townier all the time, interestingly robz isnt. I disagree with ehunt, scum Frisk claiming VT is definitely plausible to me. Theorel is a weird one, the only basis for the town read almost everyone seems to have on him is the information he posts and the good vibe he is sending. You know, scum can do both of those things. Theorel has not done anything scum theorel couldnt do. So I'd be fine with yuma, robz, frisk or theorel getting lynched.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: BMV - Truly Bastard Role Madness Mafia - Day 1 in progress

« on: August 30, 2012, 08:19:55 am »

vote:ftl

Definitely not PPS, do not like that wagon.
ftl looks like the different kind of lynch we need to finally hit scum day 1.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia X - The Death of Donald X. Night 1

« on: August 29, 2012, 12:57:17 pm »

I already started drinking, so won't be on for the next 20 hours or so (out to the bar and then straight to sleeps). Last post before that:

@ashersky
You giving your reads and voting and all that stuff now will be especially informational if we wind up lynching you! Because we'll know your alignment after, and can analyze what you said accordingly. Do share everything now! It is not at all clear you'll be the lynch target, so everything you say now is super useful to town either way. In fact, speaking as much as possible is the towny thing to do, because scum has to be scared of outing their buddies.

I'm in a hurry so I'll let someone who is sober & better with their words explain that. Keep the discussion going while I'm away, guys!

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia X - The Death of Donald X. Night 1

« on: August 29, 2012, 11:17:31 am »

Reading my last post as me asking you to put ashersky at L-1 is pretty ridiculous I think, I'm not approving of that FoS.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia X - The Death of Donald X. Night 1

« on: August 29, 2012, 11:16:04 am »

No, I wanted to hear just that, your take on the situation. Thank you, now I understood what you think of things. Obviously don't vote yet, but it your desire to do so later was not clear to me from your last post.

I'm still confused what you mean with your mafia VII reference though. In that game, I was sheeping timchen's bad case against Galzria and had my own equally terrible case against manda. Are you saying, this case too is bad, but because I tend to have those when I'm town, it is not scummy? (Two things are weird about that interpretation, a) you too are willing to vote for ashersky and b) only scum know what cases are bad at this point).

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: BMV - Truly Bastard Role Madness Mafia - Day 1 in progress

« on: August 29, 2012, 11:09:45 am »

Eevee play was scummy but is not Mafia. Insomniac play is a safe Mafia play for voting on a scummy looking player. Galzria play is Mafia play for joining whatever Town wagon is rolling. Take your pick.


PS - Galzria has been added to my spellchecker since I keep misspelling his name.

PPS play was towny because he didn't do what Insomniac did.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: BMV - Truly Bastard Role Madness Mafia - Day 1 in progress

« on: August 29, 2012, 10:58:56 am »

It is day 1. If you are scum, your lynch won't go through today (because that's how we roll here).

Unvote though, got a towny feel from you not trying to wagon me (even though it would have likely been easy).

LOL, your not scummy because you don't see me as scummy partnered with an unvote. This has to be the opposite of OMGUS, I think I'll call it OMGUR (Omg you rock).

Am I wrong to think scum wants to tunnel townies who appear scummy? After the flip they can just hide behind "well he was playing ridic bad and everyone else thought he was scum too!!"

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia X - The Death of Donald X. Night 1

« on: August 29, 2012, 10:57:00 am »

That left me with a weird feeling, Frisk.

You just.. wrote a very long post without really stating your opinion of anything. You didn't explicitly state whether you found the case against me compelling or not. You did say out of me, Geo and ashersky, Geo looks the scummiest to you, so you kind of did.. but you also said you could vote for ashersky but don't want to put him at L-1? I somehow feel you left the door open for voting for anyone today if the opportunity presents itself (and that's where scum wants to be). You are participating, but not in a way that really binds you. You look a lot like scum trying to make others look scummy.

Oh and yeah, mafia VII was a disaster. But am I reading that right, you are giving me a pass because it is now know I'm a terrible townie?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia IX: Major Arcana Mafia (DAY 2! DEADLINE SEPTEMBER 3, 5 PM FORUMS TIME)

« on: August 29, 2012, 09:54:23 am »

Not safe to vote for frisk…unless you wanna lynch him?

Well - i suppose its safe to vote for me if you are you - because nobody else would be crazy enough to quick hammer me.  I just intimated a while back that lynching me would be a bad idea.  Maybe you really want to force me explain why that would be.

The case against me is (i think): Lurking + snark @ eevee.  Is that compelling enough for a lynch for you?

Good thing is you claimed you are only possibly town:

Hey guys - we're getting close here.  I really think you might be making a mistake here.

When will you know, so we can decide accordingly?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: BMV - Truly Bastard Role Madness Mafia - Day 1 in progress

« on: August 29, 2012, 09:35:25 am »

It is day 1. If you are scum, your lynch won't go through today (because that's how we roll here).

Unvote though, got a towny feel from you not trying to wagon me (even though it would have likely been easy).

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia IX: Major Arcana Mafia (DAY 2! DEADLINE SEPTEMBER 3, 5 PM FORUMS TIME)

« on: August 29, 2012, 09:07:20 am »

The Golden Rule:
Please remember that this is a game and your main objective is to have fun! Be considerate of each other, don’t get personal, and enjoy the game.

And no worries sparky, I'm sure no one had their fun ruined because your post! It's all good.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: BMV - Truly Bastard Role Madness Mafia - Day 1 in progress

« on: August 29, 2012, 06:09:29 am »

I can't say that pingpongsam's wagon has grown particularly fast. I mean... there's only 4 people on it. It's not like he jumped to L-1 or anything.

I do not support a Morgrim7 lynch. Why do people always come back to morgrim? Lynch mafia, not scum, and so on and so forth. ...I swear I'm turning into Morgrim's lawyer or something.

Todays lynch is going to be almost random anyways (or hit town, depends on your view). I thought this could finally be the game where we policy-lynch the notorious self-voter. Although I got to say, he has calmed down some (in other games, here he just doesn't post).

I thought PPS had more votes than that on him, maybe I overreacted. To avoid getting pinned as his scumpartner in the unlikely event he actually is scum: Vote: PPS
I don't particularly believe in this lynch but this is the only way I don't look like his scumbuddy derailing the lynch for wrongful reasons so..

That just sounds so, so scummy...

But so goddamn townie at the same time. Eevee is too pro at mafia.

O to the rescue, as per usual! <3

No but seriously, I'm town.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: BMV - Truly Bastard Role Madness Mafia - Day 1 in progress

« on: August 29, 2012, 05:49:40 am »

The only thing that was holding me back from voting PPS turned out not very correct, so I went ahead and voted when I realized that.

What was holding you back? Just the number of votes?

Yeah, didn't realize it was L-6 still.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia X - The Death of Donald X. Night 1

« on: August 29, 2012, 02:33:22 am »

You two seem like a team to me, at least on this.  Your posts have set each other up nicely.

I'm a bit too sleepy to write a long post tonight, but a scum team being the first two on a wagon seems like terrible scum strategy to me (WIFOM!).

Yeah, the GeoLib&Eevee - pairing argument is.. not very convincing. Ashersky, if you offer others two possible scenarios that would explain the situation, and they are both me and Geo being scum, or just you being scum, I think you'll find yourself backed into a corner rather quickly.

Who said scum team?  I didn't.  I said team (on lynching me).  Town teams up all the time to lynch people.  Frisk and I could form a team to remember Morgrim.  I point all this out because I specifically took care to NOT say scum team in my post, and even edited out language that could have been taken that way.

I misunderstood then, sorry. We are not intentionally teaming up I don't think, we just notice the same scummy patterns in your behavior and call you out on it. I'm very interested to hear what others think about this, and have asked everyone to weigh in when they get online.

I am explaining what (I think) GeoLib meant when he said that. You said I was scummy for voting you yesterday, and accused me of voting you instead of GeoLib today (when he was the one that actually voted for me when you merely implied you'd do it later). I pointed out why your implied vote was scummy, but my vote yesterday or GeoLibs today weren't.

When did I say you voted me <i>instead</i> of Geo?  I asked why you (and others) weren't taking a closer look after I suggested we do so.  I looked back and didn't see me calling for Geo votes.

Geo, you also seem to be a big fan of Eevee now.  You thank him directly in your post for being helpful.  You have clearly joined him in the lynch me brigade.  You said you would have unvoted right away if Eevee had been taken to L-1 (note: he was not), then unvoted anyway by the end of your post.  You both point out that I said I was willing to put Eevee at L-1, but didn't, and said that was scummy.  (Wait, voting is not a scumtell, but not voting is?)  Just saying I would do it elicited a response, so I figure it was worth saying.

Do you disagree with my general assessment of voting behaviors and scumminess earlier? Or do you just think I'm seeing the events in this game wrong?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: BMV - Truly Bastard Role Madness Mafia - Day 1 in progress

« on: August 29, 2012, 02:24:10 am »

The only thing that was holding me back from voting PPS turned out not very correct, so I went ahead and voted when I realized that.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia X - The Death of Donald X. Night 1

« on: August 29, 2012, 02:13:28 am »

Voting for a townie in and itself is not a scumtell, obviously. Townies are not privy to the information of who their team mates are. <b>Voting for flimsy and fabricated reasons however is a scum tell, as that is exactly what scum needs to do a lot.</b> Now, everybody votes like that in RVS, and that is okay. But this is not RVS! <b>Votes are very serious accusations here.</b> You accusing me for reasons that are not worthy of a vote (at all, if I might add) makes me wonder. Maybe you are just a badly mistaken townie, and I'm sorry if that's the case.

Everyone else, thoughts on the situation? Might as well weed out ashersky's buddy when we are at it.

Two sentences on voting I bolded for emphasis.  Man, I didn't vote.  I haven't voted in a long time.  I don't think I've even voted on D2.  Saying I think you are scummy and voting for you are separate.  I only did one of those things.  Also, you are mistaken on that first bolded line--as Geo has informed us, <b>voting is not a scumtell</b>.

It's all well and good for you to think I'm mistaken about you, and for me to know you are mistaken about me.  In the end, you can probably muster the votes (I'm not even trying to build a wagon), given your experience and authority.  And then, when I flip, I wonder how folks will feel about you.

I am explaining what (I think) GeoLib meant when he said that. You said I was scummy for voting you yesterday, and accused me of voting you instead of GeoLib today (when he was the one that actually voted for me when you merely implied you'd do it later). I pointed out why your implied vote was scummy, but my vote yesterday or GeoLibs today weren't.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: BMV - Truly Bastard Role Madness Mafia - Day 1 in progress

« on: August 29, 2012, 02:05:39 am »

I can't say that pingpongsam's wagon has grown particularly fast. I mean... there's only 4 people on it. It's not like he jumped to L-1 or anything.

I do not support a Morgrim7 lynch. Why do people always come back to morgrim? Lynch mafia, not scum, and so on and so forth. ...I swear I'm turning into Morgrim's lawyer or something.

Todays lynch is going to be almost random anyways (or hit town, depends on your view). I thought this could finally be the game where we policy-lynch the notorious self-voter. Although I got to say, he has calmed down some (in other games, here he just doesn't post).

I thought PPS had more votes than that on him, maybe I overreacted. To avoid getting pinned as his scumpartner in the unlikely event he actually is scum: Vote: PPS
I don't particularly believe in this lynch but this is the only way I don't look like his scumbuddy derailing the lynch for wrongful reasons so..

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia X - The Death of Donald X. Night 1

« on: August 29, 2012, 02:00:41 am »

You two seem like a team to me, at least on this.  Your posts have set each other up nicely.

I'm a bit too sleepy to write a long post tonight, but a scum team being the first two on a wagon seems like terrible scum strategy to me (WIFOM!).

Yeah, the GeoLib&Eevee - pairing argument is.. not very convincing. Ashersky, if you offer others two possible scenarios that would explain the situation, and they are both me and Geo being scum, or just you being scum, I think you'll find yourself backed into a corner rather quickly.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia X - The Death of Donald X. Night 1

« on: August 29, 2012, 01:58:16 am »

Voting for a townie in and itself is not a scumtell, obviously. Townies are not privy to the information of who their team mates are. Voting for flimsy and fabricated reasons however is a scum tell, as that is exactly what scum needs to do a lot. Now, everybody votes like that in RVS, and that is okay. But this is not RVS! Votes are very serious accusations here. You accusing me for reasons that are not worthy of a vote (at all, if I might add) makes me wonder. Maybe you are just a badly mistaken townie, and I'm sorry if that's the case.

Everyone else, thoughts on the situation? Might as well weed out ashersky's buddy when we are at it.

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Dominion General Discussion / Re: Paradigm shifts

« on: August 29, 2012, 01:39:41 am »

Nice and thoughtful post One question though:

Intrigue:
The content of everyone's deck is in principle public information (you can remember what they've gained and trashed).

How does Intrigue violate this?

Masquerade in multiplayer.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia IX: Major Arcana Mafia (DAY 2! DEADLINE SEPTEMBER 3, 5 PM FORUMS TIME)

« on: August 29, 2012, 01:27:17 am »

OH and I got to say, sparky getting angry and using that as an excuse to put Frisk L-1 was definitely at least as scummy as Frisk's mistake with me earlier.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia IX: Major Arcana Mafia (DAY 2! DEADLINE SEPTEMBER 3, 5 PM FORUMS TIME)

« on: August 29, 2012, 01:26:28 am »

Y'know what this game needs?  More votes.

They'll give us something more concrete to discuss.
And they'll put pressure on people to MAKE them discuss.

So I call on everyone who hasn't voted yet to cast a vote in their next post.  And everyone who HAS voted to either affirmatively confirm their current vote or cast a new vote. 

I'll start.

Vote: Robz888

The man said himself he's been skating by.  Let's see what happens when the ice starts to thin.

I on the other hand do like this post. We need votes to have things to analyze.

Case on Frisk is not bad I think, but not slamdunk-excellent either. yuma's case on sparky is really interesting, but it's good to remember we have a lot of players, so not talking much about one of them is less of a tell than it would be in a smaller game. I'm undecided whether I want to have my vote on Frisk or sparky at this point. For now, I'll join Vote: sparky to prod him into responding to get more info (also because I don't want to see Frisk hammered just yet even if I decide on him eventually).