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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia X - The Death of Donald X. Day 2

« on: September 01, 2012, 06:33:26 am »

Actual experience doesn't even matter, you just don't play like a first-timer.
We are criticizing you of seeming somewhat opportunistic with your votes today. It's a big difference, yesterday you stayed in the back (while town lynched one of its own I might add), today you chose to lead the charge first going against me (another townie), then you noticed I'm not a very good target and immediately joined my case against ashersky (don't know his alignment yet, but if he too is town this looks VERY bad to you).

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: BMV - Truly Bastard Role Madness Mafia - Day 2, PM mod for QT

« on: September 01, 2012, 06:27:56 am »

Yayy, game is on again.

1) Analyzing the wagon. I jumped off the PPS boat and did not want him lynched, am I getting any town cred or was I just obv bussing my partner? Why is this not talked about at all? Galzria most definitely definitely should not lead the massclaim, he was the one who insisted on lynching PPS (obviously I personally found the case uncompelling, Galzria might have just been misguided but seems scummy). These are the guys who were on the wagon: Galzria, Captain_Frisk, Robz888, Insomniac, Watno, Cuzz, theorel, Axxle, pingpongsam, Dsell. Note, ftw was not on it despite being the alternative wagon himself, which looks towny to me. I would be inclined to think that the wagon was scumdriven, especially because two guys on it are confirmed town now.

2. I could definitely see Galzria lying about getting veritaserum, kid is clever. Is there any other evidence than Galzrias word? Obviously it's more likely he is not lying, but wouldn't treat him as obvtown just yet.

FoS all the wagoners, and Vote: theorel to get them explain why they wanted poor sam dead.

3. I know nothing of the archerer/shooter/whalemaker.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia VIII: Pirates of the Pearl Coast - Day 3 Started. PM for QT.

« on: August 31, 2012, 08:10:32 pm »

onetime

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia VIII: Pirates of the Pearl Coast - Day 3 Started. PM for QT.

« on: August 31, 2012, 07:12:15 pm »

deadline close, this seems better than nolynch. vote: captain_frisk

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia VIII: Pirates of the Pearl Coast - Day 3 Started. PM for QT.

« on: August 31, 2012, 05:56:37 pm »

TOWNIES MAKE YOUR VOTE COUNT!! so disapointted to see nothing happening while im away.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia VIII: Pirates of the Pearl Coast - Day 3 Started. PM for QT.

« on: August 31, 2012, 04:30:29 pm »

battery dying, might not get on anymore.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia VIII: Pirates of the Pearl Coast - Day 3 Started. PM for QT.

« on: August 31, 2012, 01:00:56 pm »

ins, some friendly advice.. terrible is exactly what lynching a vt is here. its not day1 its not even day2 its day3! you really seem to be tunneling yuma way too hard atm.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia VIII: Pirates of the Pearl Coast - Day 3 Started. PM for QT.

« on: August 31, 2012, 11:23:40 am »

Okay, I'm leaving now. I'll try to check in with phone as often as I can though!

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia X - The Death of Donald X. Day 2

« on: August 31, 2012, 11:23:02 am »

Heading out now, won't be on today anymore. Deadline is monday though.. would be interesting to hear from GeoLib.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia VIII: Pirates of the Pearl Coast - Day 3 Started. PM for QT.

« on: August 31, 2012, 11:11:51 am »

yuma(2):theorel, Insomniac
Robz888(2): O, Eevee, yuma
Captain_Frisk(2): Galzria, RobZ
Galzria(1): Captain_Frisk
Eevee (1): eHunt

ARGH, maybe this is correct:

yuma(2):theorel, Insomniac
Robz888(3): O, Eevee, yuma
Captain_Frisk(2): Galzria, RobZ
Galzria(1): Captain_Frisk
Eevee (1): eHunt

I shoudln't try to do these, I always seem to screw it up somehow.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia VIII: Pirates of the Pearl Coast - Day 3 Started. PM for QT.

« on: August 31, 2012, 11:11:10 am »

yuma(2):theorel, Insomniac
Robz888(2): O, Eevee, yuma
Captain_Frisk(2): Galzria, RobZ
Galzria(1): Captain_Frisk
Eevee (1): eHunt

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia VIII: Pirates of the Pearl Coast - Day 3 Started. PM for QT.

« on: August 31, 2012, 11:06:26 am »

Insomniac, that explanation does make sense to me. It's like saying "oh, if other people are ready to vote robz now, then I'll move back to him too!" You know, yuma's reason for not being on Robz could just have been that no one else was interested (which is an exaggeration I know, but the point stands).

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia X - The Death of Donald X. Day 2

« on: August 31, 2012, 11:03:19 am »

Treating him as an innocent child is just crazy, unless you said that to make Volt feel too careless.

But yeah, very unlikely to be a real consideration today unless some really weird stuff starts happening. Volt, you have a pretty big scumhunting role now that we all seem to agree you are likely town!

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia VIII: Pirates of the Pearl Coast - Day 3 Started. PM for QT.

« on: August 31, 2012, 10:53:42 am »

Frisk, Robz and yuma probably are not a scumteam, so yuma attempting to go for an alternative wagon rather than voting for either of them reads pretty towny to me. I don't see that as an attempt to derail the town into a nolynch either, it looks like a townie noticing scummy behavior and calling Galzria out on it.
Unvote, Vote: Robz. Toss-up between him or Frisk, went for robz because my notes from day1 had noticed something fishy in his play but Frisk was just "overly cautious". Not saying this is a final vote, but dont want to be not voting and dont want to vote for yuma when his most recent actions reads towny to me.

Alright, I am still ok with a robz lynch vote: robz

Why are you quoting me though? Looks a lot like you saying "OK I'll reward you unvoting me by sheeping you"..

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia X - The Death of Donald X. Day 2

« on: August 31, 2012, 10:52:28 am »

.. except scum feeds town misinformation (at least to an extent), right. Geo has not been caught of doing that yet though, my gut says he is genuinely helpful.

It's just that he first tried to start a wagon on me (town), then instantly changed his mind when I appeared townier and changed to ashersky. Sure, I believe my case on ashersky has a lot of merit and is a good one, but if I'm wrong about ashersky, GeoLib looks scummy I think for sheeping my bad read. I don't know, we need more activity to get to the bottom of this thing!

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia VIII: Pirates of the Pearl Coast - Day 3 Started. PM for QT.

« on: August 31, 2012, 10:48:31 am »

ehunt stated the argument much more clearly like 500 posts ago:

eevee - you repeatedly ask for a summary of the case against you.  Here is mine - day one I thought you were being agreeable and a little too fast to wagon, much like MVI. Some people thought this was scummy; I wasn't among them, because of MVI. The only really scummy thing I found about your day one play was the last minute Insomniac-voting post which had very little information. My feeling is that there was going to be an eevee lynch or a Lekkit lynch until something happened at the very end of day one. It's not clear exactly what happened; however, the two primary people to blame for "something happening" are O and Galzria. O specifically was more-or-less redirecting the lynch from Lekkit to eevee or no-lynch. Galzria, by starting a new wagon, was virtually ensuring no-lynch. Eevee, by converting Galzria's vote from weird side-vote to confirmed-wagon, played a secondary role in making things a little worse.

Now the point is, the "something happening" is very scummy and likely scum contributed; however, the only reason scum would do something so risky is if the wagons were also targeting scum. So even though O and Galzria look worse after yesterday's business, the only folks they could be protecting are Lekkit and Eevee. It's possible that O and/or Galz just made a "mistake" but eevee/lekkit are still scum. But it's not possible, or at least not very likely, that O/Galz did their business as scum if it only served to protect a townie. So it seems that Lekkit or eevee is the reasonable vote. What pushed it over the edge for me is eevee's willingness to vote for Insomniac over Lekkit.

For now, though, unvote - the voltgloss drama (more on that in a minute) necessarily makes eevee look better. Also, Lekkit has resumed lurking which is fantastically anti-town.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia VIII: Pirates of the Pearl Coast - Day 3 Started. PM for QT.

« on: August 31, 2012, 10:47:38 am »

If Galzria is scum, why did he work so hard to clear Insomniac? They can't possibly be scumbuddies (bc day one). I keep getting stuck on this, it's why I won't vote for Galzria. I again
vote: eevee

My reason for thinking Galzria is town goes back to day 1. He could have moved either me or Lekkit very close to a lynch, but decided to let us slide into a nolynch instead. I see no reason for a mafia member to do something very weird and derail the town into a nolynch when the two alternatives were town. This applies to O even more so, because he also FoS'd the Lekkit voters pretty hard. If I die, remember that my flip (in my head at least) clears both O and Galzria. (...but also remember I've been wrong before.)

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia VIII: Pirates of the Pearl Coast - Day 3 Started. PM for QT.

« on: August 31, 2012, 10:42:56 am »

Frisk, Robz and yuma probably are not a scumteam, so yuma attempting to go for an alternative wagon rather than voting for either of them reads pretty towny to me. I don't see that as an attempt to derail the town into a nolynch either, it looks like a townie noticing scummy behavior and calling Galzria out on it.
Unvote, Vote: Robz. Toss-up between him or Frisk, went for robz because my notes from day1 had noticed something fishy in his play but Frisk was just "overly cautious". Not saying this is a final vote, but dont want to be not voting and dont want to vote for yuma when his most recent actions reads towny to me.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia VIII: Pirates of the Pearl Coast - Day 3 Started. PM for QT.

« on: August 31, 2012, 10:22:43 am »

Honestly, I'm just hopping to whichever of Yuma or frisk has the best chance of being lynched at this point. Which means my leap back over to frisk may have been premature.

Yeah sort of same here, except add you to the list as well (maybe theorel too but that's not happening today yet it seems).

It's pretty incredible how evenly all the votes are split at the moment..

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia VIII: Pirates of the Pearl Coast - Day 3 Started. PM for QT.

« on: August 31, 2012, 10:16:08 am »

I tried to look at who to vote from another perspective than the usual "who seems the scummiest to me": "who are my town reads voting for". Robz wagon has the good and the bad, O is my strongest townread and yuma is my strongest scumread. Robz's latest jump to Frisk looks a lot like he was hoping the usual sheeps (namely me) would follow and the wagon would escalate into a lynch (without robz having to hammer as a bonus). But, deadline is close, Robz himself is one of the alternative targets and I agree with Frisk being a good target, so I can't really hold that against Robz at all.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia VIII: Pirates of the Pearl Coast - Day 3 Started. PM for QT.

« on: August 31, 2012, 10:07:43 am »

It's pretty hard to get in on the action when all the activity happens when you sleep. I always try to make a post commenting the events that transpired, but the interactive discussion part is impossible if we are not on at the same time.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia VIII: Pirates of the Pearl Coast - Day 3 Started. PM for QT.

« on: August 31, 2012, 10:04:16 am »

It's totally justified to accuse me of not doing my part in the scumhunting-mission lately, but saying you don't know what I think of everyone is just you being lazy. I've been pretty clear on my reads on the game (and even started the yuma wagon here on day 3 so it's not like I've done NO scumhunting). Last time I posted my reads was from bed last night so like 15 hours ago. To refresh your memory, this is what I think of everyone:

Sorry for being absent, IRL business i warned you about and checking this on phone feels stupid because typing on iphone (like I'm doing now because I feel I need to get a post in before going to sleep) is super slow and annoying. I think it might be better to only read when I can actually post properly.

I think ehunts defense makes a ton of sense, he was looking really scummy to me until the vote & unvote incident but not anymore. I still have the earlier town reads on O and Galz (milder). Insomniac is looking townier all the time, interestingly robz isnt. I disagree with ehunt, scum Frisk claiming VT is definitely plausible to me. Theorel is a weird one, the only basis for the town read almost everyone seems to have on him is the information he posts and the good vibe he is sending. You know, scum can do both of those things. Theorel has not done anything scum theorel couldnt do. So I'd be fine with yuma, robz, frisk or theorel getting lynched.

You can add my speculation about yuma and Frisk from today now too. Yeah, I've been inactive, but it should be pretty clear where I stand here. I'm going out again tonight, but I'll make sure to check in with phone at least often enough to move my vote if necessary. Keeping it on yuma for now, can't shake that feeling after all.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia VIII: Pirates of the Pearl Coast - Day 3 Started. PM for QT.

« on: August 31, 2012, 09:52:27 am »

unofficial vote count:

yuma(2): Eevee, theorel
Robz888(2): O, yuma
Captain_Frisk(1): Galzria
ehunt(1): Robz888
Galzria(1): Captain_Frisk
Eevee (2): Insomniac, ehunt

Not Voting (0)
with 9 alive, it takes 5 votes to lynch. Deadline tomorrow at 10 PM forum time.

So this is problematic, we have everyone voting and no one having more than 2 votes. Galzria, one comment on your argument against the yuma lynch: most of the people who said they'd be okay with him lynched never actually voted (and talk is cheap). It's not like scum can just never suspect each other, people are going to notice that. So if yuma is scum, his scumbuddies have probably listed him as the second or third most suspicious. Frisk surviving L-1 without claiming is something that happens to scum more often to town though.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia VIII: Pirates of the Pearl Coast - Day 3 Started. PM for QT.

« on: August 31, 2012, 09:42:02 am »

O has Yuma listed as acceptable. CF suddenly is ok with it. I liked it. Robz likes that lynch. So does Theorel, Eevee (apparently) and Insomniac.

Uhm buddy, I started the yuma wagon? Saying I'm "apparently ok with it" is not very fair since I was the first one to bring up the case. I am absolutely guilty of being generally mega lurky lately (it is the same in every other game too fwiw), I have some friends over from the US and I've been really busy showing them around. They are leaving on sunday.

Galzria's case for why Frisk is scummier than yuma is decent, I'm stronly considering switching my vote to Frisk now. The reason I originally went after yuma harder than Frisk despite them playing almost identically, was that I feel I read Frisk a lot better than I read yuma. But then again, Frisk has not given any town reads either so that might actually be scumpoint: Frisk rather than scumpoint: yuma like I originally though. I'll at least check the vote counts before changing my vote though.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia X - The Death of Donald X. Day 2

« on: August 31, 2012, 09:33:27 am »

The more I think about it, the scummier GeoLib's voting history is today. I still strongly prefer ashersky, and punishing Geo for being active feels dirty.. but I thought I'd just put this out there.