My local gaming store isnt very friendly though...
NVFLGS?
It's true... i already bought a box..
In another few paychecks, I may order Innovation off of Amazon. Key word "may" - I already have enough trouble trying to find people to play Dominion with in real life.
I'm too lazy to read the Innovation rules. I want to learn to play though.
Also, if you don't partake of visiting companies whose sole purpose is making money......you must suffer a massive guilt trip every single time you go to the shops!
Well, given that I have the need to go into some shops for food, clothing and other necessities, I don't have any guilt in doing so. I do try to avoid some companies when I have the alternatives.Also, again in defence of RGG, getting sucked in to GOKO's sales pitch, which was probably very slick and attention grabbing, isnt akin to the 'selling out' you are accusing them off
I don't think they are "sell outs", because there is a whole story I don't know about (it is likely they did not know what Goko was going to be at the point when they sold the rights). I was just trying to show that "a wad of cash" is not the only thing to consider and since many people tend to think their life's work was not only a money-making machinery, it seemed like a good example. From Jay's interview in this forum, it seems that he does not see RGG as just a money-making machinery, so I would guess that decision making in RGG does consider other things as well.
Hang on....
RGG had a free version and a company to run.
Someone came along and said 'We can pay you money and produce a flashy online version that will generate more money'. You can then plough that money back into your company and do more of the things you love.
Now, you seem to be saying you wouldn't have taken that money based on some sort of ethical principles and imagined sales figures on your part.
Ethical principles you say Jay seems to have, which is excellent.
ERGO, if there was nothing unethical about it, then it was a monetary decision. Jay figured he could get more money from Goko than he could from Isotropic fan sales, and as he is the only one here that runs a sucessful game company, I reckon he knows what he is doing, and when the contract comes up for renewal, he will revisit and decide again.
Now, when I say I would have also taken Gokos offer if I was in his place, im apparently unethical and my imaginary company ill never own is to be avoided like some sort of Strip Mining Company destroying Native Villages!
If i had under my control a game of Dominion, and someone gave me the choice of an online version for a wad of cash, or a free version people could play.
Honestly, who wouldn't sell out in a heartbeat!
I dont particularily like the Goko for many things, but i fail to see a bad decision made by RGG
Success comes at quite a steep price, eh?No, I would say success has been pretty positive so far. I can always not frequent Dominion forums if I don't want to hear people complain about Goko.
BTW, while I have your attention, is there a projected release date for Guilds yet?
The only reason why people believe that is because Goko is such a raw deal.Evidence in other arenas suggests otherwise. People routinely blame Mark Rosewater for things he didn't do, because he is "the face of Magic."
You are aware the back of the box says 2-4 players right? Dougz is a cool guy and saw no reason to prohibit you from playing with 5 but that is not a recommended thing to be doing.
Was not aware. And I don't think we included the expansion, so... oops!
For the record, my comment wasn't saying that Innovation is a bad game or anything. Just that we tried it with lots of players and it was a mess. A hilarious mess though.
My perception is that Dominion =/= Isotropic. Dominion is a solid game. Isotropic is a solid foundation for online board gaming.
I think this statement is pretty grandiose - much of what you're calling "Isotropic" is likely quite specific to Dominion UI, and the parts that aren't don't seem particularly different from how internet game servers have run for a long time. I've looked briefly at Innovation (which I'm not familiar with) and it doesn't look nearly as amenable to the isotropic style UI that fits Dominion so well. More than most games I know, Dominion fits really well with being played online. (edit: That said, I'm now interested in learning Innovation, so mission accomplished there. We'll have to see if a remotely comparable player base ever gets established.)
I'm having a hard time imagining being offended over one's true Dominion fanhood being impugned. I guess that's a meta-insult.
You are aware the back of the box says 2-4 players right? Dougz is a cool guy and saw no reason to prohibit you from playing with 5 but that is not a recommended thing to be doing.
There are a lot of problems with the rating system. Going into obscure examples to discuss one facet of rating system should not disguise the other problems.
I agree that winning should not harm your ranking. There should be no incentive for players to decline matches based on ranking. Drawn matches can have far too much penalty as well, especially in multiplayer where sharing a victory makes you feel as if you've lost to everyone.
I just got Innovation myself - hoping to learn the rules prior to jumping on Iso and fumbling my way through games at the expense of other people's enjoyment. Hoping it's a fun game though!
Fumbling your way through games with people you know IRL is fun, because the names of the cards produce a frequently hilarious little story as you play things out.
Four of my friends and I tried to play Innovation on iso... it was chaos. None of us knew what was happening.
I am confident that Iso has a future. Goko, not so much. But regardless, as I write in another thread, I am not about to call for a boycott of any company at all -- RGG, Goko, or otherwise. I will continue to play Dominion tabletop, I will most likely purchase a copy of Innovation to play tabletop, and I will continue to patronize Iso in whatever manner I can. Asmadi Games is sticking its neck out (thank you, Chris C.) in ways that Jay Tummelson used to, and I'd like to encourage this kind of innovation (pun intended).
RGG signing up with Goko was as much a risk as Asmadi allowing iso to implement Innovation. Probably more so.
It's just that so far goko has ignnored instances of people telling them that they wrong (or that their potential customers disagree with them, if you like that better).
I'm not really into rating systems, but can you give me examples of where a rating system that causes rating decrease when winning is used?
Forum Games will still exist; therefore the community will still exist.
Except it wont.
Been through this in other boards, if Dominion goes away then attracting new visitors to this board will become harder and harder, and people who gradually drift away will not be replaced.
Unless Theory shifted the message board away to just being a forum games community, which seems unlikely. or that Innovation becomes a major game in the market and has an extra depth of strategy to be discussed then I think it will slow down and gradually drift away.
How long that will take, no idea.Hopefully ages
Well I finally went for trying an act three. I went for Prosperity figuring it would give me the best chance to win against the starting advantage.
Level one you get 5 coppers 5 estates, the computer has 4 provinces, 5 silver, gold. Five free zaps. I won with the free zaps anyway, because you could build a Bishop deck reasonably quickly.
Sounds to me like there's no metagame. That's what I enjoy the most about tabletop Dominion, and the metagamig was preserved in the Isotropic implementation. The more I have to wait for the Goko release, and the more I hear about it, the less likely it gets that I will spend a single red cent on it. HTML 5 FAIL
Yeah, I'm pretty sure that is the proof that is not possible to implement a metagame in HTML5...
Edit: Seriously: What do you mean with 'metagame' here?
