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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 4)
« on: February 23, 2019, 04:53:55 pm »
Told you.

You did. Let’s get the next one right as well.

Joseph(Town): Nothing that we don't already know. I guess depending on who the counter-wagon is it may be possible to draw some conclusions.

New thoughts about wagons & how everything has transpired?  I’m V/LA through the end of Tuesday.


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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 3)
« on: February 21, 2019, 03:31:03 pm »
I believe that puts shraeye's vote puts joseph at L1: Joseph2302 (4): silverspawn, debatepro, raerae, shraeye,
@ari - Don't do it right now bc it's the hammer, but I want to you consider voting for Joseph. If it's a mislynch and he flips town we can trust faust. If he is scum, well the answer is obvious.
Shraeye unvoted though, right?
wait, is deadline now, or in 1 hour?
unvote

Shraeye votes lowercase joseph in #2263. If it counts, that takes him to L1. The very next post less than 1 minute later is your vote for joseph #2264. Shraeye's unvote happens 2 minutes later in #2266.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 3)
« on: February 21, 2019, 03:23:26 pm »
People have played before: What happens if an unvote come through before the lynch is confirmed?
Lynch is irrevocable.

Does it matter if Shraeye's vote didn't capitalize the J? Not that I am against the lynch I clearly voted for it, would have like to see what transpired.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 3)
« on: February 21, 2019, 03:19:33 pm »
People have played before: What happens if an unvote come through before the lynch is confirmed?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 3)
« on: February 21, 2019, 03:18:16 pm »
I believe that puts shraeye's vote puts joseph at L1: Joseph2302 (4): silverspawn, debatepro, raerae, shraeye,
@ari - Don't do it right now bc it's the hammer, but I want to you consider voting for Joseph. If it's a mislynch and he flips town we can trust faust. If he is scum, well the answer is obvious.
Shraeye unvoted though, right?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 3)
« on: February 21, 2019, 03:06:36 pm »
I believe that puts shraeye's vote puts joseph at L1.

Joseph2302 (4): silverspawn, debatepro, raerae, shraeye,

@ari - Don't do it right now bc it's the hammer, but I want to you consider voting for Joseph. If it's a mislynch and he flips town we can trust faust. If he is scum, well the answer is obvious.
 

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 3)
« on: February 21, 2019, 02:52:40 pm »
I think Eddie is my next choice, but there's no votes on him and a bunch on silver.
Not that I see in my count.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 3)
« on: February 21, 2019, 02:16:45 pm »
Here is the log since my last update... im in a meeting already getting looks...

_______
Raerae vote SS #2206
Shraeye vote EFHW #2211
Shraeye votes Joseph, Uncle, SS, Ari, debatepro, faust, efhw, raeyae, shraeye #2212
Shraeye vote EFHW #2213
Uncleeurope vote debatepro #2215
Uncleeurope vote joseph #2218
Silverspawn vote joseph #2220
Debatepro vote joseph #2224
Uncleeurope vote debatepro #2229
Raerae vote joseph #2241
Joseph vote debatepro #2242

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 3)
« on: February 21, 2019, 01:50:58 pm »
Vote: Joseph

I'm risk averse, I think a mislynch here is the most informative.

MORE INFORMATIVE THAN HITTING SCUM?  WHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAATTTTT????????

If we are going to mislynch, then I think this is most informative for me.  I think getting scum is the best, I can't vote for who I think is scum and a joseph mislynch means i should trust faust more.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 3)
« on: February 21, 2019, 01:46:32 pm »
Vote: Joseph

I'm risk averse, I think a mislynch here is the most informative.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 3)
« on: February 21, 2019, 11:57:19 am »
Think about our scumreads earlier! EVERYBODY had Ari as their top read, in what world do you think he survives tomorrow??
An easy one is faust isn't the nk.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 3)
« on: February 21, 2019, 11:53:10 am »
EFHW, what are your thoughts on UncleEurope?
Towny
Why are you voting for silver? You got the same result on him as you did on Eddie.
@SS: What do you think about this fact?
It's frustrating, I mean I've explained that the result absolutely must lower the chance of me being scum from EFHW's PoV. I don't quite get it, her only reason was that faust is more active than me.

Isn't this a reason to vote for her? I mean she got a positive-ish result on you and is voting for you, it's that reason to go all in?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 3)
« on: February 21, 2019, 11:40:04 am »
EFHW, what are your thoughts on UncleEurope?
Towny
Why are you voting for silver? You got the same result on him as you did on Eddie.

@SS: What do you think about this fact?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 3)
« on: February 21, 2019, 11:38:31 am »

Think this is right - Updating from post #2001 & #2124- Vote Count 3.4.2 (db8)

Arishipshape (2): Silverspawn, Joseph2302
silverspawn (2): faust, EFHW
EFHW (1): raerae, arishipshape
faust (1): Debatepro
Joseph2302 (1): Uncleeurope

Not Voting (1): Shraeye


With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 3 ends February 21, 2019, 04:00:00 pm.

Data:
Shraeye revote faust #2055
Shraeye unvote #2079
Raeyae vote Joseph #2086
Silverspawn vote Ari #2102
Joseph vote Ari #2110
Raeyae unvote #2120
Raeyae vote EFHW #2122
Aru vote for EFHW #2136


Correction to 3.4.1 (db8):
Should have listed two as not voting: Shraeye, Ari.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 3)
« on: February 21, 2019, 11:05:00 am »
Vote EFHW with me then, if she flips scum you're safe tomorrow. If you vote faust you're absolutely tomorrow's lunch.
So if one votes for faust and EFHW flips town, then they targeted in d4. I don't understand, wouldn't one have been at least correct that they believed she was town?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 3)
« on: February 21, 2019, 10:35:29 am »
DS is a decent player. SS was skeptical of DS's case against EFHW and he even voted for DS. I don't think scum would push people to lynch a "lesser player", especially sense he already had plenty of cover to vote for DS.
So silver is townie for reading DatSwan correctly, and he is also townie for misreading him? Great. silver didn't push anyone, it was clear that DatSwan would be lynch, he just did not want to take heat for that lynch.

It's an even/if position. If you are right that SS is scum, there is no reason to stay on Ari. DS is a better player. His reason for voting for DS "as scum" is the same as yours "as town", fearful people would believe the claim and jump off the wagon. I don't quite understand why the logic covers you but not him. He can use the same cover you used or are using.

I get a question now. For both Ari, Joseph, and EFHW what do we learn if we lynch them and the end up town or scum? What conclusions should we draw about them and their partners? Ill make you a worksheet for your answers.

Ari (Scum): EFHW is town. You are probably town. Most likely partners, in that order: Eddie, silver, you, Joseph.
Ari (Town): EFHW looks worse. silver looks even worse. Eddie seems townie. Scum team: you, silver, EFHW with an outside chance of Eddie replacing EFHW.
Joseph(Scum): Would require an evaluation of that wagon. ari is probably townier. silver seems like a good partner option. Partner in order of likelihood: silver, Eddie, you, EFHW, ari. Also I will probably be lynched next.
Joseph(Town): Nothing that we don't already know. I guess depending on who the counter-wagon is it may be possible to draw some conclusions.
EFHW(Scum): ari is town. If EFHW flips scum Motion Detector, then Eddie is town. silver seems townier. Most likely partners: you, Eddie (if EFHW does not flip MD), Joseph, silver, Eddie (if EFHW flips MD)
EFHW(Town): Noone except me and raerae really suspected EFHW today, so I would have to see how this lynch happened. Scum team is silver, you, Eddie.

In summary, SS is likely scum in all but EFHW.Scum.No.MD case. Also perhaps in Joseph(Town) case which will require further analysis.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 3)
« on: February 21, 2019, 10:08:59 am »
Think this is right - Updating from post #2001 - Vote Count 3.4.1 (db8)

Arishipshape (2): Silverspawn, Joseph2302
silverspawn (2): faust, EFHW
EFHW (1): raerae
faust (1): Debatepro
Joseph2302 (1): Uncleeurope

Not Voting (1): arishipshape


With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 3 ends February 21, 2019, 04:00:00 pm.

Data:
Shraeye revote faust #2055
Shraeye unvote #2079
Raeyae vote Joseph #2086
Silverspawn vote Ari #2102
Joseph vote Ari #2110
Raeyae unvote #2120
Raeyae vote EFHW #2122

Intent to vote:
Ari for faust #2060

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 3)
« on: February 21, 2019, 09:48:52 am »
I don't think ari is the best shot, but he's a liability as town and his flip gives additional setup info to figure out the EFHW situation, so it's not the worst thing ever and much better than me or Joseph.
I still don't know why people do not want to vote silver.
Because he's been right about reads on the town people who have been lynched? Read on Mix (#449) && pleading with people to jump off DS (1496) and join him on Ari wagon.

He is also right about me! So as a new player, these are probably the most convincing pieces of evidence that one can go off of in a game without a single scum lynched.
You know who has a good chance of being right about people because they know everyone's alignment?


(Reversal) So we're at the point in the game where presenting a case and being right about it makes you scum.

DS is a decent player. SS was skeptical of DS's case against EFHW and he even voted for DS. I don't think scum would push people to lynch a "lesser player", especially sense he already had plenty of cover to vote for DS.

I know you can come up with a bunch of reasons, which I could copy and paste as a response to your responses for your defenses/reads.

I get a question now. For both Ari, Joseph, and EFHW what do we learn if we lynch them and the end up town or scum? What conclusions should we draw about them and their partners? Ill make you a worksheet for your answers.

Ari (Scum):
Ari (Town):
Joseph(Scum):
Joseph(Town):
EFHW(Scum):
EFHW(Town):


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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 3)
« on: February 21, 2019, 09:22:59 am »
I don't think ari is the best shot, but he's a liability as town and his flip gives additional setup info to figure out the EFHW situation, so it's not the worst thing ever and much better than me or Joseph.
I still don't know why people do not want to vote silver.
Because he's been right about reads on the town people who have been lynched? Read on Mix (#449) && pleading with people to jump off DS (1496) and join him on Ari wagon.

He is also right about me! So as a new player, these are probably the most convincing pieces of evidence that one can go off of in a game without a single scum lynched.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 3)
« on: February 20, 2019, 10:52:09 pm »
I’m going to be for real
Sorry Ms. Jackson, he is for real!!
Nice. He want born yet, he won’t get the reference.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 2)
« on: February 20, 2019, 10:14:33 pm »
Faust hammer 45 minutes ahead of inteades after a cop claim could be skummy. Weird at the minimum.
I said I will hammer then if you don't show up. You did show up.

You know, this really really rubbed me the wrong way. I get faust sussed out that ds had a fakeclaim, but I feel like if some other player did this, people would immediately give them a billion scumpoints. I mean replace faust's name with debatepro's in that exchange above. I'd be toast. I consider this a kind of dark magic and I don't like it. I'm probably not moving my vote sans a super compelling case or directive from on high.

I'll be around a bit tomorrow, just to make sure I don't miss a directive or compelling case.

I would have done the same thing as faust.  That claim smelled REAL bad, I don't fault him for that and wouldn't fault anybody else either.

I don't think it would have hurt to wait 45 minutes. Worst case scenario (Monday morning quarterback) no lynch and we're +1 town or we lynch Ari who hasn't been terribly helpful.


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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 2)
« on: February 20, 2019, 09:16:20 pm »
Faust hammer 45 minutes ahead of inteades after a cop claim could be skummy. Weird at the minimum.
I said I will hammer then if you don't show up. You did show up.

You know, this really really rubbed me the wrong way. I get faust sussed out that ds had a fakeclaim, but I feel like if some other player did this, people would immediately give them a billion scumpoints. I mean replace faust's name with debatepro's in that exchange above. I'd be toast. I consider this a kind of dark magic and I don't like it. I'm probably not moving my vote sans a super compelling case or directive from on high.

I'll be around a bit tomorrow, just to make sure I don't miss a directive or compelling case.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 3)
« on: February 20, 2019, 05:06:59 pm »
2) Pretty sure that's shraeye (you know, the other IC) but good try.  And yes, I'm giving myself IC status if that hasn't been made clear already.
Touché , you’re both on opposite sides of the Faust vote.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 3)
« on: February 20, 2019, 04:48:54 pm »
Because it draws attention to why I wouldn't vote for mail-mi which makes it more likely other town would see which makes his mislynch impossible.  I mean, I could have pushed mail-mi to claim, mail-mi could have claimed on his own, scum!faust pushing mail-mi was dangerous, town!faust pushing mail-mi was tunneling town.  faust had ZERO reason as scum to push me to vote for mail-mi if he knew mail-mi was the cop because if he knew mail-mi was cop he knew I was his target N1.

I don't understand why scum.faust isn't capable of making this play, he is a wizard.

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I don't know how I can make this clearer and your insistence that I'm wrong is interesting.
I'm proving a point on two levels. It's not helpful right? You don't have to feint, I am your biggest ally, which could be a double dunce hat for me if I am wrong.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 3)
« on: February 20, 2019, 04:30:26 pm »
If you're saying faust should have caught on then EFHW should have as well.  Only she wasn't already tunneling the hell out of him.

She's in my top 3/4 list, the problem is he isn't on yours and was explicitly taken off.

Which I explained.  And, like I said, I firmly believe he had his blinders on re: mail-mi. He went so far as to attack me for not voting for him, if his whole ploy was to lynch the cop he wouldn't have bothered pushing me because he would have seen that mail-mi copped me overnight.

Why can't he do that as scum? He's smart.

@faust - see anyone can do it.


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