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Forum Games / Re: Drunk Mafia VI: Phoenix

« on: March 02, 2019, 07:57:05 pm »

\in

or /in

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Forum Games / Re: Drunk Mafia VI: Phoenix

« on: March 02, 2019, 07:56:49 pm »

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Forum Games / Re: Drunk Mafia VI: Phoenix

« on: March 02, 2019, 07:55:56 pm »

Thanks UoS and liopoil

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Forum Games / Re: Drunk Mafia VI: Phoenix

« on: March 02, 2019, 07:51:27 pm »

Is the PPE notification setting user based or set by the mod? Tough with lots of posts.

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Forum Games / Re: Drunk Mafia VI: Phoenix

« on: March 02, 2019, 07:50:37 pm »

If this is still going when my wife goes to bed I will join in. The only alcohol in the house is half a bottle of Makers though.

It was my favorite tour on the bourbon trail, good choice.

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Forum Games / Re: Drunk Mafia VI: Phoenix

« on: March 02, 2019, 07:33:35 pm »

Kids are drunk... so we're ready.

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Forum Games / Re: Drunk Mafia VI: Phoenix

« on: February 27, 2019, 06:11:39 pm »

/in for Westcoastdidds and Debatepro

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 4)

« on: February 25, 2019, 07:04:37 pm »

GG - SS, Eddie, Ari. MVP - I'll keep sheeping SS and vote for Eddie. 

GG - EFHW, Raerae, faust, shraeye, Lalight, datswan, MiX, mail-mi/dylan, and joseph.

Super interesting experience. If take my scum!radar and assign town values to the results, then I would look for scum beyond MiX, Mail-Mi, Joseph, Faust, and EFHW. Just do the opposite of what I think.

My QT debatepro 01-26-2019 09:11 AM ET - Note to self: Ariship, Mix, and SS seem scummy to noob!me... or at least 2 out of 3... I had a crisis of confidence when SS didn't take the bait, shifted to a town read on me D1, and MiX flipped town, so I started looking elsewhere.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 4)

« on: February 25, 2019, 01:37:51 pm »

Eddie, thoughts?

No idea.
...

Both silver and Faust have been lining up with me logically this whole game, and at least one of them was lying about it, Ari is almost certainly scum (unless we are looking at Debate/Silver/Faust), Debatepro talks like he has an experienced scumbuddy (Probably Silver)...

I answered this in #1956 to which you said nothing about and I find surprising. It's also interesting that you let faust handle this with reflections and reversals.

Part of the ExperiencedScumBuddy thought experiment is to get the more experienced town players to really think through what is going on. I mean pretend your scum, how would you have coached me to play in D1-D3? Does it look like anything you've seen in my play? It shouldn't and I can say that with confidence, but what do I know. 

@UncleEurope - I know "ExperiencedScumBuddy" is a reason you read me as scummy and I've stopped using it because it's it's clearly not helpful to town, but I was trying to be in character: google language games.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 4)

« on: February 25, 2019, 01:32:37 pm »

Debate and silver both feel like caught scum to me.

If other town want to lose, then they should follow your read and vote for debatepro.

There have been several moments where I have had "vigorous" exchanges with SS, EFHW, and Faust. My play has been fairly consistent, have a scum read for whatever reason, put the strongest case I am capable of to paint them as scum and challenge, see where that leads. I don't think scum do this for people conceivably on different teams. I also think this type of play is alignment indicative.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 4)

« on: February 25, 2019, 01:08:41 pm »

Naw, you two cool.  I'm pretty sure it's you, me, EFHW, and faust.  I'm pretty sure they're (Ari and silver) protecting Debate (notice how he's getting about as much suspicion as me and EFHW?) so I think that means he's got the PR, or at least the one they want to protect the most.  Which is why I'd prefer his lynch today.  You game?

Do scum!teams typically this boldly defend/protection technique?

But it hasn't been bold, that's the thing. It's been subtle, nobody's really come out (today) and proclaimed your town status, but nobody has really cast any suspicion on you either.

Oh, I thought your position was that the protection was obvious. Interesting that we had a moment on this day we're faust and SS agreed about something.

Lynching debatepro will most likely result in us losing the game right there.

Faust, although if silver wants to chime in I would appreciate that as well, where do either of you (Faust/silver) find me scummy in relation to any of this?

First thing, PoE. There are at least 2 scum in {silver, you, Debate}. And I read Debate as townier. You did not seem very invested in during the last Day and I strongly dislike the way you voted Joseph in the end only to jump back off when that wagon started gaining momentum.

I also think that you make more sense as silver's partner. Debate/silver interaction has been quite strange and it does not seem that partnery.

What makes it interesting? Or, specifically, what's that agreement tell you?

I find it most interesting because it's correct and they are seemingly on opposite sides. So if town!debatepro is true, then what does it tell us about them and their interactions towards me? I'm asking that out loud because I am not sure and maybe the smarter town can help me figure it out.

Perhaps I am a swing vote and recent attempts at reading me as town are to instill doubt about silver which worked. If I am a swing vote, it's not why SS reads me as town, he's had that read since early in the game, he couldn't possibly have anticipated this situation.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 4)

« on: February 25, 2019, 12:51:01 pm »

Naw, you two cool.  I'm pretty sure it's you, me, EFHW, and faust.  I'm pretty sure they're (Ari and silver) protecting Debate (notice how he's getting about as much suspicion as me and EFHW?) so I think that means he's got the PR, or at least the one they want to protect the most.  Which is why I'd prefer his lynch today.  You game?

Do scum!teams typically this boldly defend/protection technique?

But it hasn't been bold, that's the thing. It's been subtle, nobody's really come out (today) and proclaimed your town status, but nobody has really cast any suspicion on you either.

Oh, I thought your position was that the protection was obvious. Interesting that we had a moment on this day we're faust and SS agreed about something.

Lynching debatepro will most likely result in us losing the game right there.

Faust, although if silver wants to chime in I would appreciate that as well, where do either of you (Faust/silver) find me scummy in relation to any of this?

First thing, PoE. There are at least 2 scum in {silver, you, Debate}. And I read Debate as townier. You did not seem very invested in during the last Day and I strongly dislike the way you voted Joseph in the end only to jump back off when that wagon started gaining momentum.

I also think that you make more sense as silver's partner. Debate/silver interaction has been quite strange and it does not seem that partnery.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 4)

« on: February 25, 2019, 12:25:28 pm »

The way this game has unfolded I think it requires great skill so I’m up for lynching one of SS, EFHW, or Faust.

Maybe the team is Debate, ari, Eddie!

It isn't. It includes faust. You're all just falling for his BS. The town!faust theory has so little evidence behind it.

I don't have time to go through the thread right now, but faust has taken a number of risks. Doesn't confirm him as town, but makes him look on the townier side.

I'll chime in! If he was pushing mail-mi because he knew he was the cop then he knew I'd been investigated so by pushing me to vote mail-mi he risked exposing the cop and this creating three ICs that day. He did something yesterday that I can't remember right now but I remember thinking it wasn't something scum would do. That second argument is really compelling, I know.

He said he didn't know mail-mi breadcumbed his role, action, and result. If we don't believe him we should vote for him.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 4)

« on: February 25, 2019, 12:16:35 pm »

Debate, pretend for a second I just reread some stuff and maybe I'm questioning my logic. Can you give me your top three lunch candidates? I have asked this earlier and you deftly avoided that question.

If you put a gun to my head, id say faust-efhw-ari. I just don't really don't feel super confident about it. I'm more convinced by well thought out and detailed cases for or against people, and I'm not seeing anyone doing that.

I find faust/efhw interactions interesting. Couple items stick out in my mind.

Told you.

Yes you did.

So maybe we should go with Debatepro at this point. Train wreck is right.

Faust is also the one who said silver gets no town cred for being off vote or wagon on MiX and DS. So being right about a town isn't alignment indicative.

@EFHW what do you think of faust’s pseudo-case in #1952? I say pseudo-case not out of disrespect but just that it didn’t over sell what he thinks.

He's being fair. I didn't say anything early about Eddie because I didn't want to be asked why. I planned to say it near the deadline. I guess he would have made a different choice. I wouldn't vote me based on that, and he isn't either, so far.

He makes a pseudo-case she has a pseudo-response.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 4)

« on: February 25, 2019, 11:33:37 am »

Naw, you two cool.  I'm pretty sure it's you, me, EFHW, and faust.  I'm pretty sure they're (Ari and silver) protecting Debate (notice how he's getting about as much suspicion as me and EFHW?) so I think that means he's got the PR, or at least the one they want to protect the most.  Which is why I'd prefer his lynch today.  You game?

Do scum!teams typically this boldly defend/protection technique?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 4)

« on: February 25, 2019, 10:14:48 am »

And if you do want to play the PR game, it's not like silver received any serious suspicion from either Debate or ari, so he may be the PR just as much as Debate in that team.

Silver and Debate's reaction to raerae's proposal makes me think she is right about the PR. Of course, they can just kill me if we get the ninja (if there is one), but then they have wasted a possible mislynch and left an IC alive (silver's reasoning).

What is the PR proposal? I’m reacting to my name being dropped.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 4)

« on: February 25, 2019, 12:49:18 am »

@raerae. What is your take on EFHW?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 4)

« on: February 25, 2019, 12:35:49 am »

And consider what a silver lunch does re: faust. Does it make him town? Do we consider a faust lunch tomorrow? I think it hurts us to kill one of them today IF we're willing to entertain the thought of them being a team.

Why does kicking the can down the road on the silver/Faust with the paradox you describe make it more likely we’ll discover the partnership?

The way this game has unfolded I think it requires great skill so I’m up for lynching one of SS, EFHW, or Faust.

PPE

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 4)

« on: February 25, 2019, 12:23:50 am »

If you lynch me we will have extra free time to join a new game. This game is not being powned by a team that includes Ari and Debatepro with a coach.

We are losing in an epic way, this will be a perfect scum win, new players can’t pull this off.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 4)

« on: February 24, 2019, 08:18:40 pm »

This response is rubbish. The case is stronger against you on this day than the previous days. I suspect people believe it isn't very informative to lynch you. Your degree of newbness and feigned ignorance fluctuates wildly.

What case?

Dude you hammered a town without announcing your intent to hammer.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 4)

« on: February 24, 2019, 08:08:28 pm »

Why not silver, you are high on his list, shouldn't town!ari scrutinize and be skeptical of him. If you are not, why?

Silver stayed under my radar by not giving literally any reasons for voting for me. Thats actually way way scummier than uncle, who at least has a halve baked one.

arishipshape

Silver, why the heck do you find me scummy? This is lylo, the town has to get it's act together

This response is rubbish. The case is stronger against you on this day than the previous days. I suspect people believe it isn't very informative to lynch you. Your degree of newbness and feigned ignorance fluctuates wildly.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 4)

« on: February 24, 2019, 07:53:51 pm »

Well, I'm ready to vote as soon as debate and Ari answer my questions.

This the question you talking about?

Ari, can I get your lunch order, please?

If so, for my last meal I shall have seafood. Like, pretty much any halveway decent seafood.

Vote: Arishipshape

Ok, yesterday and the day before that, I was a lot more chill with my lynch. I kinda gave up proving my townieness as a lost cause, and figured you could lynch me and have it over with. Now, that has changed. We are now at Lynch right or Lose. Therefore, i'm going to have to demand a better case than "you were fake at the start of day 2". Why, in exact and excruciatingly glorious detail, are you voting for me?

She meant your lynch order, as in ranking all of us in the order you would lynch them.

Seconded.

@Ari, I think it's cute you pretending like you didn't know what I was talking about like my phone hasn't been autocorrecting lynch to lunch all game. Just. F-ing. Adooooorrrrrrable.

I thought lunch was a running gag, and I was trying to take part in it. I would lynch faust, then uncle, then probably efhw. I have no idea whats roles are in this game, and with the dozens upon dozens of role possibilities it seems like fakeclaiming one of them is a pretty smart move.

Why not silver, you are high on his list, shouldn't town!ari scrutinize and be skeptical of him. If you are not, why?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 4)

« on: February 24, 2019, 06:33:39 pm »

So the biggest shift has been to move silver into that second group, so I am more likely to read a compelling case against him with more neutral eyes. Whereas prior to this day I viewed him as towny.

Why is that? Aren't all the things that made me town yesterday still true?

Fair enough, I can’t think of anything, just trying to re-examining my assumptions.

This is an ass kicking, so part of me is thinking there may be two very good players on team scum and there are only so many of those around. If there is only one their doing some good coaching.

I asked this question before and no one answered, what is the rough win percentage for town in a closed setup, because this looks imbalanced.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 4)

« on: February 24, 2019, 03:27:31 pm »

Debate, you good with silver?

Uncle, thoughts on Ari?

Ari, can I get your lunch order, please?

Sorry, forgot you were soft-voting Ari, what about debate? Do you see a faust/silver team?

So I had a few buckets:
Shraeye/Raerae
SS
Eddie
Joseph/EFHW
Ari/Faust

After flips here are my buckets:
Raerae
SS/Faust/EFHW
Ari/Eddie

I think there has to be one or two scum in that second group, and i also feel desperate to get a more impactful player out of the game. Every time I make a case for one of them in my head, I see reasonable counter points and a desire to believe each of them.

So the biggest shift has been to move silver into that second group, so I am more likely to read a compelling case against him with more neutral eyes. Whereas prior to this day I viewed him as towny.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 4)

« on: February 24, 2019, 10:14:56 am »

If it isn't you two, and it isn't Ari, who do we vote today? Uncle, debate, or EFHW?

Why isn't it Ari? (skimming and didn't see that called out).

I'm out most of the day, I will be back later to see if there are any direct questions or requests.