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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 4)
« on: September 29, 2019, 10:05:50 pm »
I voted yes bc both made up 50% of the empirically anti-Town voting block (others are adk & Robz).

Why am I empirically anti- town?

Votes by for town:
ADK: Pubby, MiX, Glooble(Hammer), DatSwan(Hammer), Joth
Awaclus: Pubby, MiX, Glooble, DatSwan(Unannounced L1)   
Robz: Pubby, MiX, Glooble(Unannounced L1), Joth   
e: Pubby(Hammer), Glooble, Datswan

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 4)
« on: September 29, 2019, 08:26:41 pm »
I voted yes bc both made up 50% of the empirically anti-Town voting block (others are adk & Robz).

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 4)
« on: September 29, 2019, 08:24:35 pm »
I wrote a vote counting program with output like Space's, if anyone is interested.

Yes please. Debatepro on github or debatepro@gmail.com

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 4)
« on: September 27, 2019, 11:25:07 am »
Who else should I be looking at and why? Give me something to work with.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 4)
« on: September 27, 2019, 06:59:23 am »
I will always be vla until sunday. I will likely vote for the duel unless it’s Jospeh vs me or something.

Really wish we had lynched ADK, or better yet voted up the duel with him in it. Are people starting to realize I was actually kinda right or no?
Really, that me/ADK duel seemed such a bad option
Vote: Robz

Joseph dude... that duel didn’t pass because 3 scum, you, and a few uncertain town voted against it.

ADK hammered town in back to back votes, that’s not tunneling it’s empirical evidence of being scum . We can ignore what is in front of our faces. Plus he’s not helping, where is the VCA, POE, analysis of wagons? Joth set up Robz to hammer DS and ADK circumvented that “test”.  We already knew ADK would vote for DS, the info about Robz could have been helpful.  If ADK is town the let’s see him produce some work product that can be scrutinized.

Why is no one questioning the hasty generalization that because one scum is likely to be hiding, that another isn’t visibly the scummiest person in the game. In my limited experience the scum is spread across the visibility spectrum.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 4)
« on: September 26, 2019, 10:19:42 pm »
So are we just waiting for the duel. Not sure if I have the odds right but the probability calculator I used said we have a 50% change of getting scum in the duel. So if one of the scummiest of the scummies is in there we should go all in.

vote: adk

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 4)
« on: September 26, 2019, 12:26:58 pm »
If we had a PR with useful information last night, could be good to claim

I think the possibility of a PR only exists if we duel.

Votes by for town:
ADK: Pubby, MiX, Glooble(Hammer), DatSwan(Hammer), Joth
Awaclus: Pubby, MiX, Glooble, DatSwan(Unannounced L1)   
Robz: Pubby, MiX, Glooble(Unannounced L1), Joth   
e: Pubby(Hammer), Glooble, Datswan      

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 3)
« on: September 25, 2019, 06:54:43 am »
Robz wagon looks scummy.

ADK, Robz, and Aweclus have been in my preferred Lynch pool all day. So it just scummy from ADK? In his defense he’s followed the IC on two consecutive votes. :)

I assumed you would support this vote because of this....

I'm going with vote: Robz because I felt like he was trying to sway town through social pressure more than logic.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 3)
« on: September 24, 2019, 10:28:28 pm »
Yep yep. Vote: Robz

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 3)
« on: September 24, 2019, 04:01:18 pm »
I'm not exactly staying off the DS wagon, but it would be the hammer if I voted him now, and we should let our IC do that, right?

If DS is Town who would you suspect is on the scum team?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 3)
« on: September 24, 2019, 03:32:36 pm »
I voted for the duel. My scum team list going into the duel was ADK, Robz, and Aweclus. My posts are consistent on these folks because they’ve voted for pubby, Glooble, and Mix.

I would be shocked if there wasn’t at least one on that list, Robz has moved up slight due to the willingness to vote DS pre-duel and trying to stay off it now.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 3)
« on: September 24, 2019, 01:59:08 pm »
Who on the wagon do you think is bussing if DatSwan is scum?

I'm not sure, I haven't thought through it here, it happens in less pressure (lynchpool). If we're just gaming it out. Votes were Joth(IC), MCMC, ADK, Joseph(IC), e, aweclus. If I were scum and DS was my partner, I would have considered voting for him after the Joseph vote. So probability of busing by partner increases as you move from left to right in the list.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 3)
« on: September 24, 2019, 09:36:13 am »
I've been very clear all along that I meant lack of votes/wagons other than for DatSwan. Somehow that keeps getting turned into me saying no one is against the wagon, which is obviously false.

To be fair it seems like it's just you and me having this conversation. I apologize if I've misrepresented your point but to me the amount of people arguing against swan's lynch is enough to counter the "where are his partners" argument

So that I understand what is implied here, your position is that efhw, eddie, and debatepro are pushing an alternative to DS and pushing that alternative is a sign of who his partners could be?

My position is that the three of you have been arguing against his lynch, which makes you potential partners, yes

But none of his partners are sheeping the ICs or busing?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 3)
« on: September 24, 2019, 09:24:17 am »
I've been very clear all along that I meant lack of votes/wagons other than for DatSwan. Somehow that keeps getting turned into me saying no one is against the wagon, which is obviously false.

To be fair it seems like it's just you and me having this conversation. I apologize if I've misrepresented your point but to me the amount of people arguing against swan's lynch is enough to counter the "where are his partners" argument

So that I understand what is implied here, your position is that efhw, eddie, and debatepro are pushing an alternative to DS and pushing that alternative is a sign of who his partners could be?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 3)
« on: September 23, 2019, 10:57:25 pm »
Why have no other wagons come up?

You, debate and Eddie have been pushing "anyone but swan" for awhile now, so this seems pretty disingenuous
This does not feel like an accurate description.

I agree this is not accurate. I am skeptical because 4 of 5 people who voted for pubby, mix, and Glooble are all voting DS and the 5th (Robz) said he would.  It seems everyone voting for DS agrees that DS challenging the ICs status is scummy. This means you exclude ICs from the the pool of 5. We’re left with three and I think at least one of them is scum. From the perspective of any of the 3 remaining players, if they are Town, at least  one of the other two is likely scum. But no one is saying anything, they are doing Poe, vca, or anything, just following the ICs.

I think ADK’s arg that scum try to be off wagon is fair, but I’ve never played in a game where they were ALL off wagon. The fact that ADK as a supposed Town player isn’t questioning or looking in the pool of players at all should raise eyebrows.

Anyone remember this?

The whole idea around framing someone as scum is a bunch of WIFOM that doesn't actually contribute a ton to catching scum in my opinion.

Every flip does give us information to find scum, but the standard immediate jumping on an easy wagon is just scummy.

More people should vote Awaclus

I have a gut townread on awaclus

Maybe everyone who joined the DS vote after the IC, should be given more scrutiny.

(Phone & beers)

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 3)
« on: September 23, 2019, 04:08:22 pm »
I think the duel failed because scum voted 'no' for Joseph (IC) v. ADK (ScumTeamMate).

I think as soon as Joth (IC) voted DS then scum and everyone else felt safe voting for DS. Votes when like: MCMC, ADK, Joseph (IC), e, and Aweclus.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 3)
« on: September 23, 2019, 04:03:25 pm »
Scums on the wagon.
Why aren't you, Eddie and Robz voting?

I can't speak for Eddie & Robz. I'm not a huge fan of the DS vote, mostly because 3 of my top scum candidates at the beginning of the day are on it.  If DS is scum, then someone(s) busing or I have it wrong.

Considering Robz was all in on voting for DS pre-duel, perhaps you should direct your attention at him. Vote: Robz

PPE: I'm down Vote: ADK


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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 3)
« on: September 23, 2019, 02:54:01 pm »
I am down to lynch DS, but shouldn't we wait and see if he comes up in the duel? Then we can lynch him and maybe get a PR.

@Robz - you seemed to be down to lynch DS but your not voting here, why?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 3)
« on: September 23, 2019, 02:46:54 pm »
Scums on the wagon.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 3)
« on: September 23, 2019, 01:14:39 pm »
Ok. Intent to hammer. For real this time.

Any reads or info you want to leave us with, since I imagine the JK will be the scum target.

Sharing my reads is a good way to make sure I do die. I believe I can save myself by JKing the scum shooter.
good luck

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 3)
« on: September 23, 2019, 12:37:27 pm »
Ok. Intent to hammer. For real this time.

Any reads or info you want to leave us with, since I imagine the JK will be the scum target.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 3)
« on: September 23, 2019, 09:50:35 am »
Hmm mcmc is making a lot of sense.

I’m willing to hammer. Not in a huge hurry to do so, but will plan to in 10 hours before I go to bed tonight. Or sooner if it seems like everyone’s said their peace.

Wait we have like 4ish more days, right? If DS is scum and to be the Lynch, let’s track down their partners.

I for one am interested in determining which one of these folks below is his likely partner.  Given the way the DS discussion is going, is Robz the best candidate? ADK would have to be on a super bus plan and aweclus would be on the short bus plan.  Other thoughts?

There are 5 players who have voted for all three of the confirmed town players (Pubby, MiX, Glooble). They also voted for each confirmed town player, prior to the 2nd duel being announced.
1. ADK
2. Awaclus
3. Joseph (claimed Neap)
4. Joth (claimed JK)
5. Robz

If we just isolate day one votes for confirmed town the list is:
1. ADK
2. Joth
3. Robz

Awaclus had the very first vote on day two for glooble and joseph also votes glooble on the seventh vote of day 2 which is before the glooble v joth duel was announced.

EFHW and Eddie seem like likely candidates


What’s most revealing here is all the people who are pushing you are not chiming in with potential partner suggestion.

I did

So what your saying is that it’s Datswan, EFHW, and Eddie? And that not a single scum (of the non-IC variety) exists between you, aweclus, and Robz. AKA the empirically anti-town voting group.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 3)
« on: September 23, 2019, 06:56:42 am »

It’s a counterfactual. I have not had a scum read on DS, a discussion that involves identifying his potential partners is very revealing. It can show he’s Town, identify the “real” scum team that doesn’t include DS, or identify his partners. That discussion is useful with 4 days left that we can’t have if someone hammers.

k. so why start a discussion that does start with the words "lets use the day to find Swan's partners".

Your not helping yourself here. I am 1 billion percent town, the literal definition of a counterfactual is to make a statement that is counter to fact. Like if a if a kangaroo doesn’t have a tail, would the fall over. It has to start with, if swan is scum, who are his partners? What’s most revealing here is all the people who are pushing you are not chiming in with potential partner suggestion. Because if it requires debate to be scum if you are scum, then their case is maybe only 100% wrong.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 3)
« on: September 22, 2019, 09:41:44 pm »
Any reaction to my point about Debate? I feel like I might be onto something here.

Your not, it’s a miss lynch. But throwing fire my way after all my posts seems desperate. Why? I’m busy buying, selling, and moving a houses. I saw Joth’s claim that he would hammer in 10 hours and we have 4 days left. Two of the people on DS were on my scum list, so those things don’t add up. Thus the statement , if DS is scum then let’s identify his partners.
But you have never stated a scumread on DatSwan. You have kept out of the conversation completely.  So it doesn't make sense for you to look for partners.

It’s a counterfactual. I have not had a scum read on DS, a discussion that involves identifying his potential partners is very revealing. It can show he’s Town, identify the “real” scum team that doesn’t include DS, or identify his partners. That discussion is useful with 4 days left that we can’t have if someone hammers.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 3)
« on: September 22, 2019, 08:42:37 pm »
Any reaction to my point about Debate? I feel like I might be onto something here.

Your not, it’s a miss lynch. But throwing fire my way after all my posts seems desperate. Why? I’m busy buying, selling, and moving a houses. I saw Joth’s claim that he would hammer in 10 hours and we have 4 days left. Two of the people on DS were on my scum list, so those things don’t add up. Thus the statement , if DS is scum then let’s identify his partners.

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