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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 3 START!)

« on: June 28, 2012, 04:57:58 pm »

vote: Captain Frisk

I guess we know who's at the top of your list.

Do we, though? Pops, you haven't listed C_F among your strong suspects or given a reason for your vote. You just agree with the arguments for him?

I put the reason for my vote right before my vote.

It's like talking to a wall with you people.

You mean the two-word post three posts before your vote where you quoted someone else entirely in a quote that didn't mention CF at all? You're right we ARE all dumb for not figuring that out.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 3 START!)

« on: June 28, 2012, 04:50:44 pm »

And I don't know what to make of your refusal to hammer me when I was at L1 with a self-vote even when you said you would do so on principle. Instead you pleaded with me to unvote. Explain that action, please.

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Variants and Fan Cards / Re: Really bad card ideas

« on: June 28, 2012, 02:56:19 pm »

Not Trader - $4 Action-Reaction

Trash a Silver from your hand. Gain a number of cards equal to its cost in coins.
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Dominion General Discussion / Re: Homage to the Best Card

« on: June 28, 2012, 01:45:16 pm »

Yeah, Riker's outfit in the background confirms it.

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Dominion General Discussion / Re: Homage to the Best Card

« on: June 28, 2012, 01:44:35 pm »

Menage a Troi, right? Reciting Shakespeare for Lwaxana?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 3 START!)

« on: June 28, 2012, 01:42:56 pm »

Mmk

Scummy
CF - Need to look more closely at. Stayed off my radar til late yesterday when he started to look a little scummy. He started the actual wagon on Grujah. Almost scum by default, however, as there's really only two people I suspect of being scum right now.
Axxle - Axxle2 is lousy with scummy behavior, but none of it egregious enough to get him noticed. I think he's very likely mafia. His vote for O was a bus.

Slightly scummy/ differently scummy
pops - not by any means cleared in my book. But he did go after O pretty hard. Like, harder than a bus hard. I'm willing to believe that our disagreement about SK hunting is a townie disagreement, but he's still wrong
Robz - Robz's play makes no sense as mafia. It makes plenty of sense as SK, but that's another thing.
jotheonah - I'm town. Double crazy would be a crazy strategy for the mafia. Also O's buddying of me was way too over the top and obvious. Even if I weren't me I wouldn't suspect me now.

Not scummy
Glooble - mostly town read. eager to hear from him on Day 3.
Dsell - town read. But actually mostly no read. Need to look more closely at him.

Highly not scummy
SFS/Tables - there's this tiny chance that SFS's bold role claim and clearing of Tables was a ballzy as hell mafia gambit and they're the other two mobsters. If this is the case, they will absolutely deserve it when they win.

I miss anybody?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 3 START!)

« on: June 28, 2012, 01:30:54 pm »

@Dsell I'm much more helpful in smaller towns. Also, the O lynch ... I finally feel like I'm standing on some kind of solid ground.

@Robz The assignment is ... list everybody I suspect and why?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 3 START!)

« on: June 28, 2012, 12:38:46 pm »

Since you all might lynch me today, I didn't think it was very pro-town to hold back on pointing out the strongest tell I've seen all game.  I trust you all to look back on it when the time for witchhunting begins (in your opinions) if I'm not around to take it up myself.

Honestly, color me unconvinced on the whole "We shouldn't be looking for a serial killer thing." A lot of big assumptions being made, including:
(A) The SK should be hunting mafia at night
(B) The SK, in fact, is hunting mafia at night
(C) The SK is going to magically be successful at hunting mafia, despite having failed to do so two nights already.

Meanwhile, if we do have an SK, we have two scum factions manipulating the town for their own purposes and we continue to lose 2 town a night.  Lynching mafia today will not stop us from losing two town in the night. Lynching SK will.  So don't tell me it's unarguably better to be hunting for the mafia. I don't buy it. If someone's antitown and has NK powers, I want them dead. I'm not fussing about the semantics.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 3 START!)

« on: June 28, 2012, 11:33:03 am »

SK hunting is stupid until you've at least reduced the mafia to one person.  I've played SK only once.  D3 one of the more experienced players on the forum pointed out that my play seemed very consistent with SK behavior.  I had shot 1 scum so far.  They used their lynch on me instead of mafia.  Scum won. 

It doesn't make sense to go for an SK early because the SK tends to shoot for scum.  We're still sufficiently behind that that's how the SK is going to shoot. 


If you want Robz to be your number one SK pick, that's fine, but wait until later.  There may not even be an SK, the most likely explanation for the death pattern is 2 one-shot vigs, and I don't know why people think having two of the same role isn't allowed or something. 

in other news,
The WIFOM in the relational scumhunting is driving me crazy.  It's not my forte.

Two 1-shot vigs who used their powers the first and second nights respectively on highly dubious targets? In what universe is that the most likely explanation. Anyway, there's very little incentive for the other shooter not to go ahead and claim. They're withholding potentially helpful information: namely which kill was the scum kill either night 1 or night 2.

I'll agree with you in general about SK hunting, which is why that post didn't come with a vote. But I'd rather lynch an SK I'm sure about than a mafia I'm unconvinced about.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 3 START!)

« on: June 28, 2012, 09:53:11 am »

CF, you must believe that my confidence stems only from the fact that I know of what I speak.  I played as SK. That post has SK trying to get us off the trail written ALL OVER it. And like you pointed out, it sports glaring logical inconsistencies that seem highly out of character for Robz. A slip is a slip, and like pops said, slips are like free money.

Plus, I like to think that if nothing else my rather unique position has afforded me the virtue of being honest and straightforward with my reads, rather than trying to couch them.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 3 START!)

« on: June 28, 2012, 08:34:02 am »

I regret saying Robz was obvtown.

When I was SK in MIII, Robz's post above is exactly what I would have posted if people suddenly started looking for the SK.  Passing the SK off as a series of Vigs, trying to end the hunt before it began. It's more or less the same response he gave when Galz accused him of being SK yesterday: "There is no SK. There are only vigs."

Speaking from experience, I can only say that's exactly what the SK would say.

And, separated from the weight you're inclined to attach to Robz's words because he's Robz, he's so wrong. Vig kills are NOT the most likely explanation for double kills two nights in a row, when the only Vig we know of is a one-shot.  It's definitely the less likely explanation.

So that just leaves the question of why Robz-SK would kill Galzria rather than campaign for his lynch.  But, wait, we know the answer. Galz is the only person in the game to have previously fingered Robz as SK (even though his announcement of that as a gambit took us more or less off the trail). Again speaking from my own experience, as the only person who has played the SK role on this forum, it's quite terrifying to feel like someone is onto you, and it's quite tempting to use your night power to get them out of the picture. Particularly if that also gives you a go-to "I would never target X" excuse in the morning.

I'm sitting pretty confident that Robz888 is a witch. I suggest we burn him, or go back to scum hunting and hope the mafia target him tonight.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Bastard Mafia II: The Robz Is Dead - Long Live The Robz (eHalcyon Wins!!)

« on: June 28, 2012, 01:19:47 am »

I think Axxle, Insomniac, and I were all on other teams, talking in this lame QT thinking we were fooling each other.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Bastard Mafia II: The Robz Is Dead - Long Live The Robz (eHalcyon Wins!!)

« on: June 28, 2012, 01:19:10 am »

Does anyone remember that Voyager episode where Chakotay says to Tuvok "Seska was working for them, you were working for her, was anyone on that ship working for me?"

That's how I feel about Team O by Day 2.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: MAFIA V: Emptying the Apothecary Pile (Day 2) PM MOD FOR DISCUSSION QT

« on: June 28, 2012, 01:14:42 am »

Well into the morning, the Vineyard's dirt floor is filled with charts and diagrams, scratched into the ground by Galzria and Robz888. When zxcvb2 happens to step on part of the chart, Galz screams "Familiar! Familiar!"  As the town stares he says, in a quiet voice "Please don't step on my chart."

Vote Count

not voting - Robz888, Galzria, O, yuma, Captain_Frisk, zxvcbn2

With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.


I was PMed about this, so I'm addressing it.  I have no problem with the docs being shared.  But be aware that outside resources like Google docs are editable (unlike posts and QTs) and cannot be policed by the mod, so trust them at your own peril.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Bastard Mafia II: The Robz Is Dead - Long Live The Robz (eHalcyon Wins!!)

« on: June 28, 2012, 01:03:49 am »

How did you manage to daykill me Galz?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 3 START!)

« on: June 28, 2012, 12:55:40 am »

Back finally. Sort of skimmed all those pages.

@SFS, yes I find O's play hilarious and whimsical and worthy of emulation, in a general sense. I know most of you don't feel that way. Yes, O buddied up to me a lot. Honestly, I feel like that should clear me. We're both crazy, but we're both smart enough to know that double-crazy is not a winning mafia strategy. Double crazy + obvbuddying even less so. I mean, that's like epic bad play.

@Dsell. I've literally been waiting for someone to suggest I'm SK. That's a scenario where my play this game would make a lot of sense in a high-risk high-reward sort of way.  I'm not, of course. I am, as I have always claimed to be, town. I'm actually extremely worried how little idea we have who the SK is, because he could be literally any of us, and even if we successfully eliminate the scum, we're still going to have to find that needle in that haystack to win the game. So, thank you for SK hunting a little, even if it is apparently a scumtell.

If I had to vote for mafia right now, it would either be CF or Axxle. Axxle is woefully inconsistent with his FoSsing, and he doesn't broadcast that inconsistency. Like he doesn't say "I'm coming around on X." or "I know I said Y was town but now I'm not so sure."  It's just "X seems safe" in one post and then "X is scum" in the next. I noticed it cause he was doing that a lot to me, but I have a feeling his iso will show he does that a lot in general.  He strikes me as highly opportunistic.

I don't see his O vote, even it's timing as #5, as clearing him. O was highly bussable for any mafia who wanted to live.

Also, just noticing, pops posted an uncharacteristically long defense of himself despite a relatively small amount of suspicion. This continues to be one of the only tells I really trust.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 2 UNDERWAY)

« on: June 27, 2012, 06:50:32 pm »

Have to go for a while.

Will vote O if need be before deadline, prefer Galzria. So excited about new information tomorrow.

Joth said he was willing to vote for O, and never actually did, just kept talking about how Galz lynch was better.  Sounds very hedgy and thus suspicious.

I said it yesterday, I'll say it again. I was watching the thread like a hawk, and I would have hammered if no one else had. We hadn't heard from O himself in some time, and I wanted to leave maximum opportunity for townie last words if townie he was.

Now I really do have to go for a while.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 3 START!)

« on: June 27, 2012, 05:46:18 pm »

Note that that's a long time before the O wagon, but it may have been in our heads later/believe it was referenced by O voters. What really got the O wagon rolling was his protesting too much about Robz's theory, which I believe I was the first to point out.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 3 START!)

« on: June 27, 2012, 05:44:23 pm »

#1926

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 2 UNDERWAY)

« on: June 27, 2012, 05:44:01 pm »

There are I counted, all of zero posts where I found him make useful, new analysis.

Bullcrap. I made the point that survivalist tell isn't scumtell.

What analysis have you made?

Also I've been in Hawaii for a week. Still posted a bunch but I really hate Ipads and won't post anything long on them.

Vote:Tables for lurking, then redirection for bad reasons.

I quoted the immediately preceding post (unless I get ninja'ed).
I demand stickers.

O's inability to remember that Tables is investigated town is scummy, Hawaii or not.  For a scum it blends in with all the other person known to be town, for townies paying any attention at all it should be a flashing green light in your memory that this is the one player in the game whose alignment we know with a high degree of certainty.

Vote: O

It's a pretty ugly omgus too.

That's the post there.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 3 START!)

« on: June 27, 2012, 05:41:42 pm »

At the very least, he pointed out the scumslip that arguably got the wagon rolling.

Jo, did you record that post #?

For you, SFS, I will hunt it down. One sec.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 3 START!)

« on: June 27, 2012, 05:35:43 pm »

At the very least, he pointed out the scumslip that arguably got the wagon rolling.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 3 START!)

« on: June 27, 2012, 05:35:20 pm »

Also, O did not go after Pops quite as aggressively as a I had remembered. Hmm.

Otherway around though, I think pops took a number of shots at O.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 3 START!)

« on: June 27, 2012, 05:35:01 pm »

I'm inclined to think, a propos of nothing, that there was at least one busser on that wagon. Scum know better than to all be in one vote/didn't vote category. We should look at the Grujah wagon, too, could be instructive.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia IV: Within These Estate Walls (DAY 3 START!)

« on: June 27, 2012, 05:27:03 pm »

Agree or disagree?: The night's events should elevate Robz to obvtown. (Stopping the Grujah wagon, fingering O)