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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XV - Day 2 - Spec QT available w/mini game
« on: November 20, 2012, 12:30:23 pm »
I think an ashersky lurker lynch would acceptable to me in and of itself. But the fact that it's been pushed heavily by my top two scumspects, yuma and Eevee, means that it's either a bad idea or I've been way off-base all along. (Which I admit is more than possible).

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XV - Day 2 - Spec QT available w/mini game
« on: November 20, 2012, 12:27:14 pm »
Yeah, we really haven't seen ashersky in a long time.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XV - Day 2 - Spec QT available w/mini game
« on: November 20, 2012, 12:23:44 pm »
Possible theory: Scum yuma has identified Qvist as the most likely town to hammer him, so he's trying to shame him out of it by planting the idea in all of our heads that whoever hammers him must be scum.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XV - Day 2 - Spec QT available w/mini game
« on: November 20, 2012, 11:39:29 am »
Like, I had a Mod's eye view of MV, and yuma snuck right through that game without ever being suspected.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XV - Day 2 - Spec QT available w/mini game
« on: November 20, 2012, 11:38:38 am »
I'm torn between being less sure yuma is scum (because of the VT claim and the general feel of his posts) and feeling really dumb if I abandon the yuma wagon and then it turns out he IS scum. Because, guys, do you remember scum yuma? He's sneaky as hell.

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Non-Mafia Game Threads / Re: Gauntlet of Fools I: Into the Depths
« on: November 20, 2012, 11:23:10 am »
WOOO I CAN ACTUALLY USE MY STUPID SCEPTER TOKEN.

I use my stupid scepter token.

"Stupid Scepter, no good against bees, no good against Banshees, why'd I even buy this stupid thing?" Nobby wonders aloud as he blindly hop-stumbles noisily through the dungeon. "I bet it couldn't even kill a giant crab."

It's just as he's having that thought that he trips over a giant crab. His scepter slips out of his hand, flies high into the air, and lands on the creature's carapace, shattering it.

"Whoa, what just happened," Nobby says.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XV - Day 2 - Spec QT available w/mini game
« on: November 20, 2012, 10:10:35 am »
Well, except that if we lynch any scum but the vig switch we can get a power role back.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XV - Day 2 - Spec QT available w/mini game
« on: November 20, 2012, 09:49:33 am »
But Scum that's fingered anyway may as well claim a PR, right. Either it buys them another day or it outs a real PR. So the question is, why didn't scum!yuma do that?

Why claim PR's when all PR's are shut down anyway.  I dont think its in scums best interest to be trying to out PRs though.  They need mislynches.  The PR's only really need to be dying if they start dying so self preservation is paramount.  I could see POSSIBLY as scum claiming the PR of your switch which outs the PR you control and gets them NK.  This leads me to believe Yuma is the Vig Switch and has no need to claim anything but VT.

This is a good point. Sort of forgot about the switches for a sec. there.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XV - Day 2 - Spec QT available w/mini game
« on: November 20, 2012, 09:41:38 am »
But Scum that's fingered anyway may as well claim a PR, right. Either it buys them another day or it outs a real PR. So the question is, why didn't scum!yuma do that?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XV - Day 2 - Spec QT available w/mini game
« on: November 20, 2012, 09:16:51 am »
yuma, if you weren't you, which theory would strike you as more convoluted? I'm inclined to think yours.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XV - Day 2 - Spec QT available w/mini game
« on: November 20, 2012, 09:10:47 am »
So there are four votes on Yuma and there have been four votes for a while.  Maybe Yuma even will come out from this with his life.  But I really think there has to be a reason why it is so hard to actually follow through and lynch Yuma.  I'm thinking that Yuma is scum with a team that is unwilling to bus/hammer for town cred.  They dont need town cred when town only has 1 mislynch; they need their scum alive to keep town in this precarious position.  I feel this way about Yuma more so and Eevee somewhat as I've seen his name thrown around a bunch as a possible lynch candidate yet still never gaining traction.  In general I feel like lynch should unilaterally be harder to lynch as we have to convince a larger percentage of a smaller amount of players that they are scum and this fits the bill with Yuma and Eevee.

I think a lot of people have gained town reads on me which is going to get me killed tonight (although Ashersky might have just kept me alive by indicating even the smallest desire to lynch me), so I at least wanted to make this statement today.

This makes a lot of sense. About why yuma's so hard to lynch. What are your thoughts about his VT claim, TheMunch?

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Dominion General Discussion / Re: Homage to the Best Card
« on: November 20, 2012, 12:08:19 am »
the discussion of pronouncing the H in herbalist juxtaposed with the Wil Wheaton comment brought to mind this scene:


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Non-Mafia Game Threads / Re: Gauntlet of Fools I: Into the Depths
« on: November 20, 2012, 12:01:41 am »
My class tokens do nothing, right? Why did I pick this lame combination? Weapon token.

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Also, on the last page, he agreed with Eevee calling Joth his major scumread, but then Eevee clarified that he made a mistype, and Joth was actually his major townread (which I sort of agree with, fwiw). I think this might have just been unlucky for Dsell, but if someone jumps on a case that then turns out be a mistype, well, that doesn't reflect well on the jumper.

Are all of those votes on Frisk still from when he claimed Jester??? That was pure RVS silliness.

No, they're mostly about thoughts that his push for claiming was rolefishy.

So this is two examples in a row of Dsell not really knowing what's going on and posting anyway. Which stood out to me. Is it a scum tell? Hard to say. I tend to pay more attention as scum (I've been scum all of once).

Also, as to the second quote, wanting to know why votes are on someone when it's not apparent is a very scum thing. Town wants to know the case so that if it's good they can join it. Scum wants to know the case on a partner so that if it's bad they can shut it down. Look at the way Dsell words that question. "Whoa, all these votes on Frisk, that's so silly, get them off now."

Add to that, of course, the fact that his assessment of said votes is not only erroneous, but obviously so.

That means if I'm right and Dsell is scum, Frisk is a likely partner.

I will be playing Base tonight, although if we lynch Dsell and he flips scum I'll be sorely tempted to play Prosperity instead.

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Are all of those votes on Frisk still from when he claimed Jester??? That was pure RVS silliness.

No, they're mostly about thoughts that his push for claiming was rolefishy.

Though I thought I unvoted. I guess it wasn't clear that "No lunch" was "no lynch"

Vote: Dsell

Something's off about him. Not playing as carefully as I'm used to with town-Dsell.

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Good idea, Galzria.

I will play Intrigue tonight.
I'm assuming this is just to let people know what you're doing, but when you actually play your card, PM me the card's name at night.

I think Eevee's "clarification" might have been sarcastic. Actually I have no idea. Eevee, do you have a scumread on me or a townread?

Apropos of nothing, Archetype, if my PM says X is on my left and we lynch X will I get a new PM telling me who the new person on my left is?
Yes. Let's say 'Harry' is the player to your left. The player to Harry's left is Jane. If Harry gets lynched (or NK'd, whatever it is), the player to your left would then become Jane, until she is lynched. The player circle will get smaller and smaller as people die.

Vote count coming soon.


Yes, but, will I then get a PM from you that tells me Jane is the new player on my left? Will Jane get a PM telling her that I'm the new player on her right?

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Non-Mafia Game Threads / Re: Gauntlet of Fools I: Into the Depths
« on: November 19, 2012, 01:31:24 pm »
Man am I losing this game in a big way.

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I think Eevee's "clarification" might have been sarcastic. Actually I have no idea. Eevee, do you have a scumread on me or a townread?

Apropos of nothing, Archetype, if my PM says X is on my left and we lynch X will I get a new PM telling me who the new person on my left is?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XV - Day 2 - Spec QT available w/mini game
« on: November 19, 2012, 01:12:05 pm »
Hey Axxle and Qvist, what's the case on Frisk ATM?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XV - Day 2 - Spec QT available w/mini game
« on: November 19, 2012, 01:10:50 pm »
it's a very odd claim. Seems like scum should want to out a PR if they're going down.

BUT, it's such a WIFOM. Maybe he saw how tentative the town is about this lynch and thought a VT claim would be enough to stop the lynch.

funny that you aren't even considering the possibility that I am in fact a VT. A VT claiming VT isn't odd at all. It is very straight forward. It is a possibility isn't it? Unless you are so adamant that I am scum because you have superior knowledge that I am in fact not scum?

Of course I'm considering it. It's implied in the first sentence. = Scum wouldn't claim VT, therefore, yuma is town.  But then the second sentence is about how that doesn't work, because you might have been counting on us drawing that conclusion and unvoting you.

Ultimately, the VT claim gives you some town points on balance. But it hardly clears you.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XV - Day 2 - Spec QT available w/mini game
« on: November 19, 2012, 12:28:16 pm »
I sort of dislike Eevee's web of gut FOSes.

I mean, I get gut reads, sure. But with only one mislynch and a credible evidence-based case, does it make sense to trust them right now? And why is Eevee so desperate to derail the yuma wagon, and yet unable to produce cases on any of his reads? Until I see some evidence otherwise, Occam's Razor seems to point to yuma-Eevee. Right now I'm voting yuma of the two, because if he's right, a town flip will more or less clear Eevee for me.

(No idea who the third partner on that scum team would be. Maybe Axxle?)

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XV - Day 2 - Spec QT available w/mini game
« on: November 19, 2012, 10:20:59 am »
it's a very odd claim. Seems like scum should want to out a PR if they're going down.

BUT, it's such a WIFOM. Maybe he saw how tentative the town is about this lynch and thought a VT claim would be enough to stop the lynch.

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Seriously though, if I get to the point where I have a strong scumread all bets are off. No reason to give up on scumhunting and fully commit to no lynch.  But because NL is a viable option, I'll have to be much more sure to vote for someone.

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I'm just always your biggest scum read aren't I? ashersky asked a question. I made an effort to answer it.

Why would mafia encourage town to use investigative roles and discourage them from vigging? THat's silly.
Okay apologies, that was a stupid missclick. Joth is my biggest town read atm!

Really? Because I agreed with your first point about that one post looking weird. Seemed rolefishy.

Are you talking about the last bit? Basically I have a card with an effect that depends on the card the person to my right uses, and I think it might be my best Night 1 choice. So, since that person can possibly communicate to me without communicating to scum (assuming they're town) then I could use that card much more effectively. If they choose not to, fine. I'll use my second best card instead.

If that's a rolefish, it's a very weirdly specific one.

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Damn straight.

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