The no visiting rule (which only applies to category 1 if I understand correctly) in particular seems to be designed to be able to use moving on-gain effects on cards that are gained into your hand or onto your deck. So to me, it seems logical to broaden the expected location for gained cards to:
a) Your discard pile
b) Your hand
c) A specified location in your deck (which means that if the gained card entered your deck pre shuffle, it can no longer be moved)
As cool as being able to dodge Siren's restriction with optional topdecking, it is something that Armory and ideally also Replace should be able to do as well if we go for it IMO.
That said, I know I cannot outthink the development team, so I'm pretty sure they have good reasons why it is the way it is now.
Expected location can already be your discard pile or your hand. That's why for instance Watchtower can trash a card that is gained to your discard pile, your hand, your deck, or wherever. And it's actually why we CAN'T dodge Siren with Armory or Transmogrify.
If we could dodge Siren with Armory, that means we couldn't trash Seahag's curses with Watchtower. Pretty sure that's why the rule is the way it is.
But it could have been that the only expected location would be your discard pile, so that Watchtower, Siren, Royal Seal, etc. all lose track of a card that isn't gained to your discard pile.
However, Replace, Summon etc. is different: Replace has two separate instructions: Gain a card to your discard pile; move it onto your deck. Since Siren and Watchtower trigger on when-gain, it makes no sense that they would wait until Replace's second instruction is carried out.
As the FAQ says on the wiki that an action-victory still triggers the victory part, doesn't that mean that replace is functionally identical to gaining to deck? the card is in it's expected destination when on-gain triggers are resolved either way? Summon is a seal-like tho?
So far the examples in this thread are cards changing something during the play of the card (gain to hand, gain to deck), moving siren to an expected destination, forcing it to activate and cards giving you a general on-gain effect, enabling you to move it before siren would activate (seals - when gain)
Is there any reason why Replace would visit the discard?
What really weirds me out is the choice of descriptions for Trait cards. Particularly that the name of the card is always used to refer to the pile (instead of something "this pile"). This in particular leads to a confusing card text for Cheap.
It’s already messed me up a couple of posts ago when I went to say “a cheap card” and then realized that that now has a specific rules meaning in Dominion, so I had to change it to “a low-cost card”.
That's the difference between a cheap card (a card with a low cost) vs a Cheap card (a card that has the Cheap trait)
(And a Cheap card might not be cheap - a Cheap King's Court is still $6 for example!)
Hunh, also I just realized that it would have no effect on cards like Transmute or Overlord whose cost does not include coins
Gaining Horses is similar in strength to immediate draw and Mutineers are strictly better than having to discard immediately. So this is roughly as strong as Fugitive which is a $4.5.
I also think that the "cares about buying" on this is a bit artificial, it could just work the same for any gain.
Summoning CircleThis seems quite prohibitively expensive compared to Inheritance, which
Way - Project - $6
Play the card you set aside, leaving it there.
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Set aside a non-Command non-Duration Action card next to this from your hand costing up to $4.
The top part is the Way, the bottom part is the Project. The Way does nothing if you haven't bought the Project.
- does not require you to have the set-aside card in your hand
- turns useless cards in your deck useful rather than already useful cards slightly more useful
- allows you to increase your VP while gaining cheap engine components.
Thanks for the feedback guys. I reworked the Lost City Explorer into Hidden City Explorer with your helpful suggestions.
And the Reworked Hidden Cities:
Draw the player to your leftto your hand.
FTFY.
Corrupt City
Action - Looter - $5
+2 Cards
+3 Actions
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When you gain this, gain a Ruins.
Depending on the Ruins, it's overall either a Lost City (Ruined Library), Bazaar (Abandoned Mine), Bustling Village (Ruined Village), Workers' Village (Ruined Market), or Spy-Village thing (Survivors). It's always at least a Village though, and it becomes super good if you can get rid of the Ruins.
Very very strong: i think this could be 6$ personally.
are cards like ways, landscapes or Allies allowed?
