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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)

« on: September 06, 2018, 03:56:56 pm »

actually up to 4 places down from themselves. Say, doctors are 1 and 6, then 1 can heal 2,3,4,5 and 6 can heal 7,8,9,10. In no way doctors will choose each other

I like this plan.

Awaclus, how does this plan fit with your playstyle of denying scum as much information as possible?

It doesn't really give scum any information because doctors aren't obliged to follow it.

I've been wondering what to make of this reply...
I'm going to go with: really, in a newbie game, how likely did you think it was that doctors were going to disregard a plan that several veterans said was good? I would guess even most veterans would be unlikely to disregard it. Vote: Awaclus

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)

« on: September 06, 2018, 03:10:42 pm »

Also, I wouldn’t need a coach at all if I was scum because I’d have a partner. In fact, that might be a reason to squint at the newbs who eschewed the opportunity.

WestCoast, are you saying that you would have chosen 'no coach' if you had been scum?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)

« on: September 06, 2018, 09:39:18 am »

Interestingly Awaclus did not make a single post during the time he was at L-1.

Not very interestingly. I went to sleep before chairs voted me and didn't wake up until after Uncleeurope unvoted.

I meant 'interestingly' in two senses.
1. Interesting that you made no response. You have given a (credible) explanation for that.
2. Interesting that hypercube thought that chairs' L-1 vote "led to someone having to defend themself for the first time this game".

I assume that's just hypercube not noticing the order of events. But interesting that he should use it as justification of chairs' vote like that nonetheless.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)

« on: September 06, 2018, 09:16:26 am »

Quick thoughts: I don't think chairs putting Awaclus at L-1 is scummy. He was very upfront about it, and it led to someone having to defend themself for the first time this game. I'm still not really happy with Awaclus' reasoning; it seems more incoherent than I'd expect.

Interestingly Awaclus did not make a single post during the time he was at L-1. What defence are you referring to?

I do kind of regret suggesting that Uncleeurope and Hydrad justify or else remove their votes. I was genuinely a bit shocked to encounter an L-1 when I woke up on only my second (real-life) day of forum mafia. Especially as my initial thoughts when reading Hydrad's/LaLight's doctor plan were the same as Hydrad, LaLight, Awaclus and WestCoast. It did seem genius. (It was only while doing some calculations in the shower that I concluded it was a bad plan.)

Unfortunately the only content generated while Awaclus was at L-1 was a lot of posts by LaLight and myself, and then Uncleeurope unvoting. Would have been interesting to hear from more people.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)

« on: September 06, 2018, 07:14:25 am »

Some analysis on the actual doctor plan. Let's assume that by the end of today:
1. we have lynched a non-doctor
2. doctors have no reads regarding who is most likely doctor/vt/scum
(Assumption 1 is an essential assumption when considering the plan; Assumption 2 is unlikely, but simplifies the analysis)

Without the plan:
- chance of protecting two players = 56/64
- chance of protecting one player = 7/64
- chance of protecting no players = 1/64

With the plan:
- chance of protecting two players = 58/64
- chance of protecting one player = 6/64
- chance of protecting no players = 0/64

So the expected number of players protected is slightly higher with the plan than without. But only very slightly.

However, as DatSwan points out, the plan gives the scum team lots of advantages based on things like:
- they know where scum are in the ordering (thus which players are more/less likely to be protected by the plan).
- in the event of no night kill, they know which player they attempted to lynch.

So I am strongly in favour of not coordinating the doctor targets in any way.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)

« on: September 06, 2018, 07:06:00 am »

infangthief, is it ok to call you infang?

I guess so. (Bang goes my cunning plan that no-one would ever vote for a name that's hard to shorten...).
So it seems this time of forum-day is when you and I are awake and everyone else (presumably in the US?) is asleep.
I'm going to make one more post, on the doctor plan theory, then I'm going to try and shut up and wait for some responses from the other folk.

PPE: 1 (is that how I say that I typed this before Uncleeurope's post and haven't gone back to edit it after?)

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)

« on: September 06, 2018, 05:15:51 am »

Agreed DatSwan seems fairly townie at the moment.
unvote: DatSwan

I like how you're Thief and infangthief. Also you can just say unvote and this will count

vote: chairs

It took me quite a while there to work out why you wrote "vote: chairs" when you were already on him. Makes sense now.

You're now on him as well (though I take it as intentional)

Yes, thoroughly intentional, I think that puts him on 3 votes.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)

« on: September 06, 2018, 05:09:08 am »

Agreed DatSwan seems fairly townie at the moment.
unvote: DatSwan

I like how you're Thief and infangthief. Also you can just say unvote and this will count

vote: chairs

It took me quite a while there to work out why you wrote "vote: chairs" when you were already on him. Makes sense now.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)

« on: September 06, 2018, 04:59:49 am »

Hydrad: Voted for Awaclus, clearly Town because voting for Awaclus is always Town.

Chairs, please could you expand on this? Meta reasoning, or wagon incitement?

It is a meta reasoning. There is a history of Town people voting for Awaclus all the time because of his playstyle

Thanks, but I would still like to hear from chairs on the matter.
As far as I can see, chairs, you have given a green light to anyone wanting to jump on a wagon (2 votes at that stage, with no reasonable argument at that point), and then you yourself joined the wagon as the 5th vote (L-1).

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)

« on: September 06, 2018, 04:49:16 am »

Agreed DatSwan seems fairly townie at the moment.
unvote: DatSwan

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)

« on: September 06, 2018, 03:42:25 am »

And while I'm here asking questions of particular people, here's another one:

10/10 would lie as town again.

Uncleeurope (may I call you Eddie?) could you give us a percentage chance of how likely you are to lie as town in this particular game?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)

« on: September 06, 2018, 03:13:39 am »

Hydrad: Voted for Awaclus, clearly Town because voting for Awaclus is always Town.

Chairs, please could you expand on this? Meta reasoning, or wagon incitement?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)

« on: September 06, 2018, 03:07:09 am »

actually up to 4 places down from themselves. Say, doctors are 1 and 6, then 1 can heal 2,3,4,5 and 6 can heal 7,8,9,10. In no way doctors will choose each other

I like this plan.

Awaclus, how does this plan fit with your playstyle of denying scum as much information as possible?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)

« on: September 06, 2018, 01:51:18 am »

I'm alarmed at how quickly we've reached L-1. Especially as the first two votes on the Awaclus wagon were pretty random.

Hydrad and UncleEurope, please could you either give a reason for keeping your vote on Awaclus, or else unvote?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)

« on: September 05, 2018, 09:47:02 am »

Anyone else happy to share a bit of background? - how long have you been playing, how well do you know the other players, anything really. How townie are you on a scale of 1 to town?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)

« on: September 05, 2018, 09:43:17 am »

What is it a coach can do? Like are we playing with Faust?

Faust has access to my QT. I intend to do my own thing; it sounded nice to have some outside feedback on my play.

Sounds good.
I was in two minds whether to ask for one or not, but thought for my very first game I'll try on my own to get that first game experience. I think if it were my second game I'd have opted for one.

Now if I'd known that couches were an option, well sure yes please.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)

« on: September 05, 2018, 09:36:01 am »

rather vote: chairs because it's not yet 5am in Texas, and bolding is easy to forget

And there I was assuming you lived somewhere which had a West Coast.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)

« on: September 05, 2018, 03:23:39 am »

vote: DatSwan for being a bit too keen to avoid being scumread so early.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (Day 1)

« on: September 05, 2018, 01:50:02 am »

Hello everyone!

Princess Bubblegum sounds shifty. Would you like to defend yourself?

Well this is my first game of forum Mafia. I played a few games in real life 15 years ago at uni, but I think that's completely different. I'm 'he'. I'm in UK, 5 hours ahead of forum time.

I was reading through the last newbie game and, well, it seems like many of us around here have never witnessed a single town death! Seems like a pretty safe neighbourhood round here...

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Meta: Does f.ds Mafia have a future?

« on: September 04, 2018, 07:04:46 am »

I advertised forum games on Discord

In general there are "better" places to play online Mafia, but what this place has is community.

This.
f.ds does not exist primarily for Mafia (there's that DXV game...) so I think that makes it feel more friendly. My identity on this site does not depend on my (lack of) ability at Mafia.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (One slot left!)

« on: September 04, 2018, 03:23:54 am »

I forgot to pledge. Right, done that now. Anything else? Is it ok that I've never heard of Adventure Time?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Civility Pledge

« on: September 04, 2018, 03:22:04 am »

/pledge

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Introductions / Re: Howdy

« on: September 04, 2018, 02:14:48 am »

Welcome!  You should check out the Forum Ga-

oh wait...

I've poked around Mafia some....are there other games you'd recommend?

Dominion's pretty good...

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Newbie Mafia 13: Adventure Time Mafia (One slot left!)

« on: September 04, 2018, 02:11:46 am »

Go on, can I give this a go. Newbie.

/infangthief. (Does that work?)

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Forum Games / Re: Organizing real life mafia

« on: August 17, 2018, 05:04:49 am »

I used to play IRL years ago in a very informal setting. I think generally we weren't very good at catching scum, so one thing we tried was:
- Scum keep eyes closed at night (except for identifying themselves to one another N0). I suppose that's equivalent to removing the mafia's QT in forum mafia.
- Night kills require a majority of (remaining) scum to vote for the same person (narrator reads out each person's name, watching carefully for votes).
- Thus scum must communicate subtly during the day to coordinate the night kill, giving town some real evidence to look for.
- It also had the interesting effect of making town reluctant to lynch the penultimate scum until they had a lead on both remaining scum.