Last stand:
Trash a card. If you do play it two (three?) times.
Usually worse than throne room/kings court. But sometimes you would want the card gone. Maybe if it worked in treasure too...
Ed
Sages LOVE to shop. Markets, Grand Markets, Black Markets, Bazaars, Hagglers; they'll stop for them all.
Doublejack with Feodum becomes crazy. The most expensive card that needs to be bought is 4 coins. From the second reshuffle every hand can be buying a feodum. On the off chance that you have too many feodums and not enough silvers, use a Jack to trash one of them to improve the rest.
I was curious about how he said shelters games would only have one Victory Card pile (I'm assuming not counting random kingdom cards). Any predictions on how that will play out?
Chicken chicken chicken: Chicken chicken.Chicken chicken chicken!
WHY did I thumbs up this!?
http://isotropic.org/papers/chicken.pdf
The real question is whether the base cards will have a place in the box like with the other large expansions. I really like that feature because I'm a bad person and sometimes I like playing just prosperity and alchemy.
Can someone tell me why Overgrown Estate is a Victory card if it does not give you any VP's By that logic, all cards could be X-Victory with it granting 0 VP's. Suddenly, Scout and Tribute are incredible! Crossroads is the new Madman!
Or... Overgrown Estate should just be Shelter.
You forgot about Silk Road and Transmute.
Some Cornucopia-and-Dark-Ages-only kingdoms seem like they could be quite fun!
I suppose with Fairgrounds on the board you'll have an interesting decision to make from the very start. Do you trash your starting Hovel and Overgrown Estate or keep them for more Fairgrounds variety? Because without a Supply pile for them, once you trash a Shelter, there's no going back!!! Well, unless there's another gain-from-trash-er that can gain cards costing as low as (1).
Hmmm...7 basic Supply cards (VP, Treasure, Curse) plus 10 Kingdom cards plus 3 Shelters is exactly 20! You could get 8-point Fairgrounds without the aid of Colonies, Potions, Young Witch, or Black Market! And it might give another reason for buying a Curse, aside from piling out or Ambassador. (I'm assuming we still play with those purple cards in Dark Ages and that Ruins don't replace the Curse pile...?)
Dominion contains 500 cards. Dark Ages contains 500 cards. I reckon it'll fit fine.
I wouldn't have an issue with it if it followed the current rule of "Slowest speed takes priority." So no animations is highest speed, but if someone has animations on then you have to wait for animations. It's annoying I admit, but it's probably the only way to work it in while keeping animations for people who like them.
OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
IT JUST DAWNED ON ME
SHELTERS PROTECT YOU FROM LOOTERS
i.e.
Shelter
Victory-Reaction
$2
0 VP
When another player plays a Looter card, you may reveal this from your hand. If you do, you are unaffected by that Looter.
Lol......he currently has +9 for a false statement! Wish I could do that....
I've seen Baron a million times, but it just dawned on me...he looks just like The Most Interesting Man in the World.
EDIT: Werewothegreat, where'd you get that blown-up image?
It's probably worth mentioning that Donald probably previewed the most game-defining DA cards. Certainly all the weird things we knew about (Ruins, Shelters, self-upgrading cards, cards interacting with the trash, cards with on-trash abilities) are accounted for, and then some other weird things as well ($1-cost card, targeted discard, self-perpetuating card). I recall this being roughly the case with Hinterlands too: the previewed cards were things like Mandarin, Border Village, and Trader, rather than Cartographer, Oasis, and such.
Which is not to understate how dramatically Dark Ages has obviously already rocked the world of Dominion. But I doubt the remaining unrevealed cards with average the same degree of distinctiveness as the previewed cards.
Also remember that Haggler, Jack of all Trades, Silk Road and Scheme were NOT previewed.
I'm not really sure what the point is, but Haggler didn't need showing off with Border Village representing that kind of mechanic. Jack isn't anything to look at; it takes actual play to figure that one out. Silk Road is a Gardens variant. Scheme, on the other hand, does introduce a brand new game-changing mechanic that the previews hadn't covered, but I didn't rule out unpreviewed cards being game-changing -- only that the selection of cards previewed would be ones particularly worth showing off.
Also remember that Donald had planned for a couple more days of previews than actually happened. When the entire list was spoiled; he stopped the previews.
So I think there are 3 things that it really NEEDS that aren't in the beta right now (tons and tons of things I WANT). One is the rulebook(s). Another is some kind of tutorial which shows you how to do stuff on the site. I am willing to accept that they have this stuff, and it's not in the beta (probably it's in the 'adventure mode' that we've seen none of but we know is coming).
But the third thing is the crashing and the connectivity issues, and I really really don't see why they would assume that that is fixed without testing that outside their controlled environment. And as of yesterday, anyway, that was not fixed.
An Overgrown Estate is clearly an Estate.
Clearly it's not:Baron doesn't know what to do with these.
There is some precedent for this. While Prosperity cards make no mention of Platinums/Colonies, Apprentice does specifically state what to do with Potions in a cost, which has absolutely no use unless there are Potion cards on the board, which Apprentice is not one. So it's an expansion specific effect for a card that doesn't have an expansion specific type/cost.But how could you defend an attack with a card you might not even be using to play with?
How do you defend against an attack if there are no defense cards in the kingdom? You bend over and take it, just like if you don't have Shelters in play.
I'm talking about an Attack that specifically says "Reveal a Shelter card from your hand, if you don't ______"
That card would be dominant on a Board that disallows Shelters.Couldn't you make the case that "Overgrown Estate" is an "Estate" and therefore should work with Baron?
That's actually a really good idea! I wonder if Donald make a ruling in the rulebook that allowed that.
But even if he did, the likelihood of drawing an Overgrown Estate and a Baron together is very thin.
I think it's a terrible idea... can I also play Wishing Well, name "Market", and then reveal and draw Grand Market? Can I play Bag of Gold and gain a Fool's Gold on my deck?
But Wishing Well says "Name a card" and so if you name Market, the card you draw either is or is the card "Market" - whether it's a Market is irrelevant. Baron says (IIRC) an Estate, not an Estate card. An Overgrown Estate is clearly an Estate.
Donald is very careful with his wording
I still think it's possible that shelters give blanket protection against looters. It would make some thematic sense. If your kingdom consists of a ghost town, an abandoned mansion, and a straw hut, there's really nothing to loot.
It would make Hovel in particular make some more sense, not just because Hovel is weak, but also because it gives you a reason to maybe hold onto it, even through the endgame.
I bet at the very least there's one attack that says "Each other player [does some bad thing] or reveals a shelter." or something to that affect.
