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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XXXIII: Toy Story Mafia (GAME IS ON DAY 1 START!!)

« on: November 08, 2013, 12:02:59 am »

ash, I agree with most of your "popsquiz" post, but there's one thing I think I'm just not understanding:

Robz also took faust's side when the faust/sudgy debacle started, but flipped when the "scumslip" issue took centerstage.  As noted above, Robz agrees that losing your partner is bad news bears on D1, but he's also one to cut his losses earlier than expected.  If Robz is faust's partner, I would expect a bus and not a protect.  So, noted.

I agree with the above.  But then:

Won't lynch: ashersky, Voltaire, Robz888

Robz started with defending faust, but then switched to voting him when the case on faust intensified.  I think that fits the scumnarrative you've described for a Robz-faust pairing - first protecting, then a switch to bussing.  So I'm not following why you have Robz in the "won't lynch" category.  Am I missing something?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XXXIII: Toy Story Mafia (GAME IS ON DAY 1 START!!)

« on: November 07, 2013, 05:12:54 pm »

Do you seriously think faust, as scum, typed out the words "do not kill" and posted them?

In a world where a good scumplayer types and posts "I have a 0% chance of flipping town," <i>anything</i> is possible.

I'm with ash in that I'm more curious about the explanation faust gave.  I've read it again several times now and I simply don't think I understand it.  faust, can you elaborate?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XXXIII: Toy Story Mafia (GAME IS ON DAY 1 START!!)

« on: November 07, 2013, 05:01:07 pm »

Robz and Voltgloss, have you done your reading assignments? Please post your subsequent thoughts on sudgy ASAP.

I have not had the opportunity yet.  I expect to have it late this evening.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XXXIII: Toy Story Mafia (GAME IS ON DAY 1 START!!)

« on: November 07, 2013, 04:53:42 pm »

My read on sudgy or faust doesnt change much because of the interaction (=I don't read much into it) I guess what robz is saying resonates with me the best, so slightly scummier on sudgy.

Are you closer to A, B, C, or D?

This feels like answering to a math problem. I think sudgy is slightly scummier than an average player, faust is as scummy as an average player. Those are the assumptions I'd plug in to the equation, should I do the math or is this sufficient?

There's nothing wrong or scummy in this statement, but if it was posted out of context with no author, and you asked me to guess which forum games veteran wrote it, I'd get it wrong 100 times out of 100.  It's like Eevee gave his phone to someone else to answer.

Sure you didn't accidentally send him his metamafia PM early?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XXXIII: Toy Story Mafia (GAME IS ON DAY 1 START!!)

« on: November 07, 2013, 04:48:36 pm »

There are plenty of controversial statements that very few people agree with.  You can find many of them in the RSP forum.

+350,000

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Non-Mafia Game Threads / Re: PBF Dominant Species, Round 3, Planning Phase, TA' turn

« on: November 07, 2013, 04:47:38 pm »

Now to make time to read the rulebook (again) and figure out what I was thinking (again)!

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XXXIII: Toy Story Mafia (GAME IS ON DAY 1 START!!)

« on: November 07, 2013, 12:06:53 pm »

Unofficial vote count:

faust (3): sudgy, ashersky, Voltgloss
NHSederholm (2): Eevee, Archetype
sudgy (3): faust, Robz888, 2.71828.....
Archetype (1): Voltaire
Voltgloss (1): yuma

Not Voting (3): liopoil, NHSederholm, Gveoniz

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XXXIII: Toy Story Mafia (GAME IS ON DAY 1 START!!)

« on: November 07, 2013, 12:02:34 pm »

faust, do you stand by your scummy opinion of Robz? If so, is it still for the reason(s) you can't explain? (just say yes or no about that)

Yes, I am actually more convinced now that Robz is scum than I was before. Yes, I still can't explain.

Huh.  I'm surprised by this.  I thought I understood what faust was thinking re: Robz, but apparently not.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XXXIII: Toy Story Mafia (GAME IS ON DAY 1 START!!)

« on: November 07, 2013, 11:52:59 am »

(Updated) Opinions about whether or not the doctor should claim, prior to my claim:

Claim D1
ashersky
yuma
Voltaire
sudgy
Gveoniz
Eevee (initially anti-claim)
Robz
2.7 (initially anti-claim)

Claim D2
Archetype

Anti-claim
liopoil

Uncertain
Voltgloss
faust (initially pro-claim)

No opinion expressed
NHS

Voltaire, I'd say I was "initially anti-claim" and then had moved to uncertain by the time you claimed. 

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Non-Mafia Game Threads / Re: Witch's Brew II - Double, Double Toil and Trouble

« on: November 07, 2013, 11:47:13 am »

Pass

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XXXIII: Toy Story Mafia (GAME IS ON DAY 1 START!!)

« on: November 07, 2013, 10:14:43 am »

I would like everyone, in their next post, to summarize (or state for the first time) their opinion on faust/sudgy. Do you think they are most likely:

A) town / town
B) town / scum
C) scum / scum (bussing)
D) scum / scum (dif. teams)

B, though D is possible.  I plan to revisit that question after I've had a chance to read scum!sudgy in LOTR 1. 

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XXXIII: Toy Story Mafia (GAME IS ON DAY 1 START!!)

« on: November 07, 2013, 04:18:13 am »

Am I right that the only time sudgy has been mafia is LOTR1?  (He was SK in Dynasty Warriors, but that's rather a different animal than the type of scum we're dealing with here.)

Robz:  I get the sense your read on sudgy is informed by your experiences with him in LOTR1.  Mine is definitely informed by my experiences with him in LOTR2, where he was town and I was scum, and he was lynched Day 1 for - among other things - voting specifically (and admittedly) for pressure reasons in order to get interactions going.  I and my scumpartners (mail-mi, shraeye) argued this was scummy and he was lynched.  We, of course, were lying.

Now, I've never read LOTR1, so perhaps you're seeing parallels there to scum!sudgy that are not obvious to me - same way as I'm seeing a parallel to town!sudgy in LOTR2 that are not obvious to you.  I'll make a deal with you:  you read LOTR2 sudgy, and I'll read LOTR1 sudgy.  Sound good?  You only have one day of activity to read while I have three, so you've got the easier end of the bargain. 

Actually, LOTR1 is probably a good game for us all to look over, being a recent multiball game with two scumteams of two players each. 

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XXXIII: Toy Story Mafia (GAME IS ON DAY 1 START!!)

« on: November 06, 2013, 11:10:59 pm »

I was hoping to see more from lio/Archetype. Huge FoS to you two.

What does everyone make of the fact that, theoretically, scum should be scumhunting just as much as town yet this town is lurksville?

When it comes to scum teams, I don't experience here but there seem to be four options.
1) Player A posts, Player B lurks
2) Player A lurks, Player B posts
3) Player A and Player B post
4) Player A and Player B lurk

I really doubt (4) is going to happen, but the other three are all real options. 

(4) could absolutely happen.  We've seen entire scumteams lurk into the bottom of the post count in multiple games. 

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XXXIII: Toy Story Mafia (GAME IS ON DAY 1 START!!)

« on: November 06, 2013, 11:09:38 pm »

What does everyone make of the fact that, theoretically, scum should be scumhunting just as much as town yet this town is lurksville?

I think scum may be playing defensively, being more interested in protecting each other.

And by "each other" I mean each scumpair is more interested in keeping the two of them alive.  I certainly don't mean the Fire scum are interested in protecting the Ice scum or vice versa. 

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XXXIII: Toy Story Mafia (GAME IS ON DAY 1 START!!)

« on: November 06, 2013, 11:09:00 pm »

What does everyone make of the fact that, theoretically, scum should be scumhunting just as much as town yet this town is lurksville?

I think scum may be playing defensively, being more interested in protecting each other.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XXXIII: Toy Story Mafia (GAME IS ON DAY 1 START!!)

« on: November 06, 2013, 11:06:07 pm »

I think with 4 scum in the game, all situations will likely have scum involved.

Yes.  This.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XXXIII: Toy Story Mafia (GAME IS ON DAY 1 START!!)

« on: November 06, 2013, 11:05:15 pm »

Kinda... it is more that I expect scum to be somehow involved in this whole exchange... I don't see what sudgy did to be scummy nor do I see how faust reacted to be scummy and I have more of a town read on you than voltgloss from other posts and reads.

So yeah what you said is correct to an extent, but it is more that I don't think scum ignores this situation and I see voltgloss's reaction as the one to be most likely to be from scum.

I agree with you that scum is likely involved in this exchange. 

How about the L-2 wagon on Robz?  Do you think scum was likely involved in that exchange as well? 

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XXXIII: Toy Story Mafia (GAME IS ON DAY 1 START!!)

« on: November 06, 2013, 11:02:32 pm »

So vote: voltgloss for voting faust for finding something scummy that there should be no reason to find scummy.

Why do you say "there should be no reason to find [faust] scummy"?

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Non-Mafia Game Threads / Re: 7 Wonders VI - game thread

« on: November 06, 2013, 07:05:35 pm »

... I was hoping davio would pass on the courthouse

Looks like Davio's tableau is still missing the Courthouse.

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Non-Mafia Game Threads / Re: 7 Wonders VI - game thread

« on: November 06, 2013, 05:40:09 pm »

A whole lotta color specialization goin' on here.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XXXIII: Toy Story Mafia (GAME IS ON DAY 1 START!!)

« on: November 06, 2013, 05:36:17 pm »

Can someone please explain the votes on faust?

sudgy made a controversial statement to see who would attack him as scummy for doing so.  faust did.  The theory is that he is scum!faust looking for an easily defensible vote target.

faust has since sarcastically remarked that sudgy's plan is "a great scumhunting scheme."  But I actually think, without sarcasm, that sudgy's plan is a reasonable one.  So, between faust's reaction to both sudgy's controversial statement AND his reaction to sudgy's explaining his scheme, I am comfortable voting faust.

I think ash feels the same as me.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: BM14: f.ds Meta Mafia! (sign-ups open)

« on: November 06, 2013, 05:30:20 pm »

That's fine!

That's fine!

That's fine!

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XXXIII: Toy Story Mafia (GAME IS ON DAY 1 START!!)

« on: November 06, 2013, 05:28:22 pm »

And my plan worked perfectly.  Vote: faust

Do I read this correctly? You said something scummy so you can find people scummy for pointing out it was scummy? Now, that's a great scumhunting scheme.

I agree!

vote: faust

I also agree.

Vote: faust

Also:  latest vote count has faust voting twice.  Sorry chairs.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XXXIII: Toy Story Mafia (GAME IS ON DAY 1 START!!)

« on: November 06, 2013, 06:13:08 am »

NOT happy with the doc claim. He'll be killed as soon as we get our first correct lynch in.

I don't understand what you are saying here.  Can you explain?

... this has me worried a little. I think an outed doctor will die as soon as one scum team has the upper hand. If it's two scum A/one scum B/town, scum B won't shoot the doctor, they need to hit scum A. Scum A can safely shoot the doctor, and that's good for them, because they don't want a reduced lynch pool at this point (and they don't have much incentive to shoot scum B because that would mean one NK less and thus a longer game).

I'm not so sure anymore that this doctor claim is really a good idea.

Understood, thanks.  I don't know that I agree - at least in the mafiascum games a claimed Doctor seemed to live until one scumteam was wholly eradicated - but I get where you're coming from.

Also, having reread, I think I understand faust's non-RVS reason for voting Robz.  As he said, it's an "ongoing game"-related reason and so not one that can or should be discussed.  I also disagree with it - but I can see why town!faust would think it.

Unvote

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XXXIII: Toy Story Mafia (GAME IS ON DAY 1 START!!)

« on: November 06, 2013, 02:29:46 am »

NOT happy with the doc claim. He'll be killed as soon as we get our first correct lynch in.

I don't understand what you are saying here.  Can you explain?