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Goko Dominion Online / Re: FunSockets Q&A - Part 2

« on: October 03, 2012, 07:47:33 pm »

+5 - Is there any chance that "very fast" animations will be changed to "turn off" animations?
Unlikely at this time. We aren’t seeing a great increase in speed when animation is turned off. However, we are working on making things faster, especially while playing longer hand games.

I know how much it would speed up my games.  Others would testify to the same thing.  Who is it that's not seeing a great increase in speed?

+12 - Is there anything that could be done to leave isotopic running? (for example, put it behind a goko pay wall)
We know that this won’t be popular, but the answer is no. We negotiated an exclusive license to build Dominion and believe that in order for the game to be self-sustaining
there needs to be a single version that can be played by one community of players across devices.

This was obviously the expected answer.  But you may be postulating a community that doesn't exist.  Despite the lure of Dark Ages, about 10 times as many games are being played on Iso daily as on Goko.  And it's not as though people who play a lot on Iso don't know about Goko.  Which leads into this:

I've had several public and private discussions with folks who feel that the experience of playing on the current goko implementation is worse than playing on isotropic, regardless of cost / bugs / anti consumer walled village requirements.  Complaints range from ease of use in finding / setting up a game, to frustration with animation speeds and interface challenges resulting in misplays.

Right now, we're working on making the game as good as it possibly can be in it's current implementation. Once we're happy with that, we'll be taking all the feedback and seeing where we can go from there to bring in new user features. Depending on how many people want this feature will help us put it in the priority.

If you want the Iso community to migrate, you're going to need a system that is as good as Iso--not "as good as it can be."  Otherwise, the coherent community across devices simply won't exist--or at best you'll be running at 10-15% of Iso's traffic.

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Mini-Set Design Contest / Re: Mini-Set Design Contest, Challenge #18: Reaction Card!

« on: October 01, 2012, 11:23:20 am »

This should be obvious, but make sure you read each card carefully when making your critique (either publicly, or in votes). Some cards are usually a bit vague, but I've noticed for example a number of comments which seem to be based on thinking the card does something different to what it says it does, or not fully applying all the rules of Dominion to the card (in edge cases I'm referring to, obviously). I know I do this as well but I thought it might be good to point out (especially as I know my card has gotten some flak over things which could have only come about as a misreading, not that I was expecting my card to win (it was about 25% joke entry...)).

This is exactly why I've tried to refrain from making public comments on the cards.

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Goko Dominion Online / Re: FunSockets Q&A - Part 2

« on: September 30, 2012, 03:02:04 am »

Is there anything that could be done to leave isotopic running?  (for example put it behind a goko pay wall?).

Edit: This is truly not a troll post - I have no issue paying for quality software that I enjoy using.  I've written a bunch, both publicly here and on the ipbhost forums (some of which seems to have been lost), and to goko directly regarding the things that I'm looking for as a dominion enthusiast.

I know that DXV has posted that its not an option, but is this something that goko is even willing to entertain?  Does management @ Goko understand the perceived gaps in play enjoyment between the two systems?

I can't support this idea enough.  I'd pay Goko their full-sum value of all the cards (including ones they haven't released, at the same rate, which should be about $40 total) if they would allow Iso to continue behind a paywall.  And lift my boycott.

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Goko Dominion Online / Re: People on Goko vs Isotropic?

« on: September 30, 2012, 02:57:32 am »

Kirian,

During the beta, that is. That's amazing.

Oh, right.  Yeah, the question of whether a "paid beta" should even be a thing is a reasonable one.

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Game Reports / Re: Move over, mint-FG

« on: September 30, 2012, 02:56:25 am »

Wow!  That's pretty nice.

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Goko Dominion Online / Re: an upset customer who want to do a simple thing but can't

« on: September 30, 2012, 02:55:29 am »

This is a not-infrequent suggestion, and I think that improving the kingdom selection method is being improved. Always bear in mind, this is a beta, not a final product, so updates are still frequent and the community is being listened to .

It's not really a beta if they are charging full price for it (unless the word "beta" is completely meaningless now).

This. The word "beta" is completely meaningless now.

It's a fine line.  Would you pre-order Goko?  I wouldn't but if I would, and they said "hey, if you pre-order now you can get in the beta too, and it doesn't cost any more," then hey, why not, right?

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Goko Dominion Online / Re: an upset customer who want to do a simple thing but can't

« on: September 29, 2012, 06:06:57 pm »

For the record, this forum isn't actually in charge of much of anything... many of us wish we could be the ones doing it, because a team of us could probably have done a better job.  That said, the Goko staff do drop in from time to time, in various threads.  You're probably best served by posting in this thread about the upcoming Q&A.

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Goko Dominion Online / Re: so this is out?

« on: September 29, 2012, 06:04:32 pm »

...they could have put time and effort into creating the AI bots at a later stage.

This is the thing that annoys me the most.  AI should really have been the very last thing.  Instead it was one of the first.

As to what the thinking was behind wasting time and effort of creating those demented avatars when they didn't even have a working game?!

That one's actually easy.  Artists != programmers.

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Goko Dominion Online / Re: People on Goko vs Isotropic?

« on: September 29, 2012, 03:14:27 pm »

Wait what, I didn't realize you had to pay for the other sets. That is hysterically awesome. All this Goko stuff cracks me up.

Huh?  That's been the payment model the whole time.

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Goko Dominion Online / Re: People on Goko vs Isotropic?

« on: September 29, 2012, 02:20:57 am »

Since it now costs money to test bugs (other than in Base), even fewer of the Iso players are going to be over on Goko.  They almost certainly won't be in multiplayer matches.

Also, I'd imagine very few people who use the forum would change their usernames; quite the opposite, I registered just to make sure I could keep Kirian over there.

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Game Reports / Re: To Rejoice or not to Rejoice?

« on: September 28, 2012, 11:15:40 pm »

Results when I grab the Duchy: I win ~17%, Tie ~22% and lose ~62%.

So basically you should always go for the tie here unless you have a compelling reason not to.

To complete your calculation, you would need points for L:0, T:1, W:x,

where x satisfies 22+17x=100, so x=78/17 which should be about 4.5.

I was too lazy to do this. 4.5 points seems a bit much.

Tournament situations are weird anyway. You might need to win this game to go through in a round robin or swiss system.

Or elimination, depending on the elimination rules.

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Goko Dominion Online / Re: so this is out?

« on: September 28, 2012, 11:13:18 pm »

so umm... i know this is a dominion forum and all but i don't know how else to contact the goko staff so i hope you'll excuse me

what are the plans with the other planned games? are they going to get into the beta too soon enough? will they feature the expansions? what happens to the BGA version of race for the galaxy?

The last, at least, I can answer: if and when Goko's RFTG app goes online, the BGA version will disappear.  If I'm not mistaken, however, the same person (keldon?) is programming both--or perhaps it's someone who did another RFTG implementation and not the one at BGA?  I don't remember with certainty.

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Goko Dominion Online / Re: FunSockets Q&A - Part 2

« on: September 28, 2012, 12:50:31 pm »

Is there any chance that "very fast" animations will be changed to "turn off" animations?  They're too fast to be useful most of the time, but still slow enough to be bothersome, especially with multiple Goons in play.

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Goko Dominion Online / Re: so this is out?

« on: September 27, 2012, 06:01:34 pm »

Your asking that question in a thread populated by a goko person answering questions, even the one directly above you?

That doesn't make this the best place.  However, this might be the best place on this forum to ask where the best place in general is.

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Goko Dominion Online / Re: so this is out?

« on: September 26, 2012, 03:49:43 pm »

Trying to create an account on the public beta (this computer doesn't have the saved cookie from the public beta).  Using Chrome 22.0.1229.79 m on Win 7.  When I try to enter my birthday, I can only see the first three choices of each drop-down box, e.g., only January through March for the month.  No problem in FF.

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Mini-Set Design Contest / Re: Mini-Set Design Contest, Challenge #18: Reaction Card!

« on: September 26, 2012, 09:40:37 am »

Billygoat
$4 - Action-Reaction
Look at the top 4 cards of your deck. Put one in your hand, discard any of the others, and put the rest back on top of your deck in any order.
--
When you look at this card from your deck, you may reveal it. If you do, discard it and gain a Silver in your hand.

What happens when you play Lookout, and reveal and react with one of these? My guess would be that you resolve this reaction, then trash and discard for Lookout, and no card goes on top of your deck.

Agreed.  Though you got a Silver in hand instead, so it's hard to complain too much.  Unless you drew Billygoat/Province/Province...

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Dominion General Discussion / Re: An Attempt at Theme Discussion

« on: September 25, 2012, 04:05:41 pm »

I really don't like, but also don't mind these discussions. Dominion is a Eurogame and not an Ameritrash game. It has per definition limited theme. If you want more theme, re-theme it for yourself or play another game.

I'm not sure this distinction makes any sense to me, as presented by BGG at least. 

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Dominion General Discussion / Re: Post "Bad Cards" mentality

« on: September 25, 2012, 03:36:20 pm »

I love making Treasure-less engines.  That requires virtual coin, though, which, thankfully, will usually pop up in good engine kingdoms.

That was a lot of commas in a row.

Here, have a chameleon.

Oracle has helped me in a lot of games so far. On some boards it is better than Smithy. I don't think I've ever lost a game where I've decided to go Oracle.

I still hesitate to get it even if it'd be good, though, because it is agony to play on Isotropic. Decide whether to discard -> pick the order -> decide opponent's -> opponent orders. What makes it worse is that most of the time I have Oracle as part of a DRAW ENGINE (it rocks for this because you are usually desperately hoping for the next +action or +draw card you need, and get four chances to find it).

Wait until we see it on Goko!

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Mini-Set Design Contest / Re: Mini-Set Design Contest, Challenge #16: Treasure Card!

« on: September 25, 2012, 10:19:49 am »

3$ might be nice so you can open Astrolabe/power 4.  I priced it at 4$ specifically not to have Astro/astro Silk Road openings, though, I think that makes the rush too unbeatable.  But we can see.

Agreed.  I think that becomes a ridiculous rush.  I drop Astrolabe, buy SR, set it aside.  Repeat until SRs are gone.  Drawing both astrolabes together is instant loss.

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General Discussion / Re: A joke thread

« on: September 25, 2012, 09:32:08 am »

Sinister is also what makes Ozle's #95 funny, otherwise it's either a tease or an editorial comment.

Sinister was used for left-handedness for much more things outside of chemistry.

"The Latin word sinistra meant "left" as well as "unlucky""

I knew the latin bit, which I assume the chemistry comes from

Its also a well known Fact that left handed people are evil, all the great evil people in history were left handed, there has been a bit of a cover up I am sure, but its well known anyway.

Including 5 of the last 7 US Presidents and 7 of the last twelve (with no correlation to party affiliation).

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Mini-Set Design Contest / Re: Mini-Set Design Contest, Challenge #17: +Buy!

« on: September 24, 2012, 06:15:36 pm »

Several promising +Buy cards in contests 15 and 16 did not make it, so there's extra pressure on this contest now!  I hope there is a tie.

Yeah, I was bummed by that. I put +Buy on both my cards, as I see you did too. A set of about 20 cards needs more than 1 +Buy!

Especially one with three non-terminal draws.  Hopefully there will be a tie for this one; if not, I would endorse taking the top two.

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Other Games / Re: Thunderstone: How do I?

« on: September 24, 2012, 04:57:12 pm »

The best way to deal with Thunderstone is to not play Thunderstone.  Much like Tic-Tac-Tow, or Global Thermonuclear War.

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Goko Dominion Online / Re: I'm kinda liking zaps.

« on: September 24, 2012, 04:13:26 pm »

Frankly, under most circumstances I think I'd rather start with 4 Curses than 3 Estates.

Interesting!

I'm trying really hard to understand why this would be true.  I could see the reverse (I would rather start with 3 curses than 4 estates), but short of Mountebank, and maybe ambassador, I don't understand why you would ever want curse over estate, and I can almost never think of why I would want more dead cards over less.

I'm pretty sure that's a typo, based on the possible starting decks he was commenting on. He was comparing the 4 Estates deck to the 3 Curse deck.

Yes, indeed, that was a typo.  3 Curses and 7 Copper > 4 Estates and 6 Copper.

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Mini-Set Design Contest / Re: Mini-Set Design Contest, Challenge #15: $2 Card!

« on: September 24, 2012, 02:13:38 pm »

Ahh, tough that the highest placing +Buy card only came in fourth.  Congrats to Graystripe -- I voted for Darlin'.  Also voted for Wild Honey, Honda and Mona (although Mona is actually probably too strong with the "buy a Copper first" trick).  All of them placed well.

Happy with my own showing here too.  Plunder (Wouldn't It Be Nice) was a serious entry and I'm glad it did alright.



Random thoughts:

Prospector is a thematic name for Caroline.

Sail On was indeed named "Card".  Called it!

I'm glad you liked my card, eH.  I wonder now, though, if it would have gotten more votes at +2 Actions instead of +1.  But then, top-decking that +2 Actions might have been a bit too strong for $2.

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Goko Dominion Online / Re: Nomenclature

« on: September 23, 2012, 08:42:21 pm »

Nice, I hoped that wasn't too obscure.

That said... yeah, I think it's time to change all of these over to "Goko" instead of "FunSockets."

Also, is the beta fully public now?  If so, teh beta forum could presumably be opened to the public.  Would want word from Trisha on that, though.