Menagerie variant that can assist the heirloom in producing a greater $.
or the on-gain effect. I think First Born is too weak to cost 
and should probably cost 
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I think you seriously underestimate the flexibility of this. Play it as village, play the second copy as Smithy and so on.Quote from: naitchmanSetting aside 5 Coppers with Miser makes it terminal Platinum. Nice. Setting aside with YoP makes it Council Room when you first play YoP. ...I prefer just buying Council Rooms or something.
Also, we usually prefer to use our terminal space for draw and not for terminal Coin generation.
Here's my quick made submission:
Kind of like a miser, you can save up during a year of plenty and make your next YoP better (diminishing returns on YoP when you start cashing them in though). Hope it's clear what it does.
I think to make it more clear you should say "turn one Copper on your Tavern mat face down. At the end of your turn, flip it face up." That is more align with Dominion cards that specifically instruct rather than imply what to do. "Keep it down for the turn" is satisfied by keeping it down for the turn and next turn and forever, technically. So, it'd be a little clearer to instruct the turning back of the Copper.
I think this card is very cool!
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Shadow Realm
Action/Command - $3
You may reveal an Action from your hand to play it, then play the Shadow card with the same cost, leaving it there.
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Setup: For each Action card cost present in the supply, set aside an extra non-command Action with that cost; these are the Shadow cards.
Note: Sometimes there won't be a card available to set aside as a Shadow (eg Poor House or Engineer or Golem is in the supply, or Artisan is and you only own the base set). "Do as much as you can" - Shadow Realm is just a Ruined Village to those cards.
. I might even say that it's better on average than a Throne Room.
Falconer
Types: Action, Command
Cost: $3
The player to your left reveals a non-Command Action card from their hand (or reveals they can't). Choose one: +1 Card and +1 Action; or play the revealed card, leaving it there.DelegateThe old "play Actions from another player's hand" trick doesn't work very well because you stop if from working by not buying Actions, so the question is how you general combat a largely Treasure-centered strategy in the design of the card.
Types: Action, Command
Cost: $3
Each other player reveals their hand. Play a revealed non-Command, non-Duration Action, leaving it there. If you couldn't, +2 Cards.
4est's Falconer gets around it by making it a cantrip instead of the worst Action in the player to your left's hand. I think the limitation is huge. If you play Falconer terminally they can reveal a terminal card the you can't play. If you play Falconer non-terminally, they reveal a minimally useful non-terminal, again making Falconer of only marginal use. I think a strong money-centric Strategy will make Falconer a waste of time.
Gubump's Delegate instead turns into a Moat instead of the best Action in any other player's hand. Hitting anyone's any card means that this scales poorly into multiplayer. The save of Moat is probably even worse than Falconer's cantrip, so I would likely still run good money against Delegate.
I recommend the catch for not having an Action to play be better than the Action play, honestly. Me revealing an Action to your Command-card should make your Command card worse.
Notes:
- Bow lets you bypass Potion costs. This is intentional.
- Rosin probably doesn't need the reminder text
Big shout-out to Fragasnap for making me think what an event/command card would look like.
Is it intentional that Bow also lets you bypass Debt costs?
Hm. no. That probably shouldn't happen.Although... that's what, Engineer and no others since there's no cost reduction on debt cards? and you can't trash it since it stays there, so you can't get the double-up, so it's just a workshop? That's not the worst. Should probably fix it so it plays nice with everyone elses fan cards though.edit: nope, it's all debt cards that aren't Fortune or Overlord. need to fix it.
maybe "At the start of your turn, +1 Buy. When you buy Practise, you may play a card whose cost in coins and debt is $5@0 or less instead."? kind of inelegant. I'll sleep on it. Feel free to make suggestions.
-costs" functionality. I wouldn't have noticed it if it weren't for your notes, and I'd say it would probably be overpowered to let Practise ignore costs. instead."
Notes:
- Bow lets you bypass Potion costs. This is intentional.
- Rosin probably doesn't need the reminder text
Big shout-out to Fragasnap for making me think what an event/command card would look like.
Event that uses an Artifact.
I just had a classic example of failing to do basic math: I went for Masterpiece-Feodum in a game with Bandit Fort. I was thinking enough Feodum points would outweigh the Bandit Fort penalty. Then I actually did the math and realized I would need at least 7 Feodums for that to happen... which was no longer possible because my opponent was pursuing the same boneheaded strategy I was!
Fortunately in this situation you can always just trash the feodums and pivot to a new strategy.
Captain is way overrated. Dismantle is a tad underrated.
more than BoM yet is a now-and-next-turn BoM. Even better than that, actually, since it synergizes with cost reduction. I think Sauna/Avanto should be #1 and everything above it should just shift down 1 spot, and Walled Village and Dismantle should switch places. Other than that, I completely agree with this list.
There was one time where I accidentally called a Duplicate to gain an extra Curse when I bought a Gold because I didn't realize that my opponent had played a Swamp Hag on their turn. I really wish Shuffle iT made it way more obvious that Duration attacks like Haunted Woods and Swamp Hag were played, because I never notice them. Adding a little ant-sized icon to their VP/Villager/Coffers/Username bar really doesn't cut it.
I'm still mad that my opponent wouldn't let me take back what was obviously a mistake.
Haunted Woods and Swamp Hag put the icon into the bar of the affected players, not the player who played them. So when it's your turn and you are affected, it sits there in the central status bar.
Also with the new update, it shows you an (admittedly small) picture of the card you are gaining.
But I also often misclick, because I want to do Action X and I forget that before something else happens (like trashing for Cathedral the card you actually want to play).
Bought Mint with multiple Crowns in play.
Ouch, that sucks. I especially hate making on-gain/on-buy mistakes like this online, because I really want to ask for an undo (yes, I should have realized that would happen, but I truthfully didn't notice it), but I've already seen my next hand by the time the effect goes through.
Whoa, the Renaissance list is also surprising. Silk Merchant at #2? Hideout is considered weak?
Here are my top 5, in order:
1. Recruiter
2. Mountain Village
3. Inventor
4. Patron
5. Scholar
Border Guard and Silk Merchant are #6 and #7, respectively, but Recruiter is SS-tier (the only other Kingdom cards in that tier, for reference, are Chapel, King's Court, and Cultist), #2-4 are S-tier, and Border Guard and Silk Merchant are both A-tier.
I don't think Mountain Village, Border Guard and Silk Merchant are that great. And I'm curious about your opinion on Library based on how highly you rated Scholar.
Whoa, the Renaissance list is also surprising. Silk Merchant at #2? Hideout is considered weak?
In the grand scheme of things, Big Money is just way too narrow a scope on which to base card judgements. In Big Money, Patron is strictly better than Conclave. Quarry is barely distinguishable from an overpriced copper. All throne variants and village variants rank among the worst cards in the game.
We don't currently live in a world where the Big Money strategy in Dominion is all that relevant, especially after the 2nd edition revisions to base and intrigue. Even mostly money decks have little trouble finding card interactions within the non-basic kingdom cards that do better than Big Money + X.
I know. I never actually play Big Money. My main point was that it stinks in engines because it "rewards" you for building a successful engine by removing an important engine component.
It removes an engine component, but replaces it with payload. Is that worth it? It depends on what kind of mid/endgame expected. In a race for provinces, it combines well with other draw to help you draw your deck while having extra money to sneak in an extra VP card. The drawback of gaining a stop card is more detrimental on the turn after TH blows up. Maybe the game has already been decided by then.
If however you foresee needing draw for a good while, and endgame is still far in sight, then okay that's when you take the other smithy variants over TH. Like, don't start popping THs when you are in the middle of an ambassador war or pop it while in the process of cleaning up after a junker across several turns.
If TH happens to be the only handsize increaser on the board, then it doesn't matter how much worse it might be than other smithy variants because it's probably better to get it than do the thing on the board that doesn't give you extra cards to hold in hand.
In BM, Margrave sifting may actually help your opponent, so Tragic Hero isn't strictly worse.95+% cards are worse than margrave. That is really is no Argument against tragic hero.
There are, however, no cards that are strictly worse than Margrave at the same cost. Except for Tragic Hero in BM decks.
In the grand scheme of things, Big Money is just way too narrow a scope on which to base card judgements. In Big Money, Patron is strictly better than Conclave. Quarry is barely distinguishable from an overpriced copper. All throne variants and village variants rank among the worst cards in the game.
We don't currently live in a world where the Big Money strategy in Dominion is all that relevant, especially after the 2nd edition revisions to base and intrigue. Even mostly money decks have little trouble finding card interactions within the non-basic kingdom cards that do better than Big Money + X.
95+% cards are worse than margrave. That is really is no Argument against tragic hero.
It's a bit like saying Chapel sucks because Donate exists.
Except that Donate doesn't cost, and Chapel doesn't trash itself for a Silver.
wow that chapel sounds like a really broken card. because silver is exactly what you need after trashing so much. i would open 2 chapels if it were like that.
Council Room without tbe +buy is "worse" than Smithy (the extra card costs you an Action and costs other players nothing), but it ends up being a great card because that +buy helps put a very big hand to work)
In a Big Money deck, the "trash this for a Treasure" bonus will never trigger, which leaves Tragic Hero as just a worse Margrave. So TH sucks in Big Money.
"A worse Margrave" is a really good card, dude. Draw and Buy in one action is awesome.
QuoteIt's no Scout-tier, but I would say TH is easily F-tier. I would've placed it dead last in Nocturne in a heartbeat.
So there's tons of utility in TH in an engine. In a lot of cases you just play it like a Draw To X card that can blow itself up for a bonus. Play TH, play a little payload and/or discarding some stuff, play another, keep going.
But really I think you're missing the utility of blowing it up. Getting a little extra payload and a Buy to use that turn is pretty good - particularly if you have a way to just gain Tragic Heroes. Or if it's the last turn or whatever. Sure you only draw the Treasure in a deck you've already nearly finished drawing... but I mean, you're blowing it up, so you already have to be halfway there right?
QuoteP.S.: My second point for TH only applies w/o Platinums + Colonies. If you're playing with Platinums + Colonies, then TH is B or A tier.
You've got a lot of learning left, man.
markusin, you're talking like you either draw nothing at all or your entire deck when you suggest "just buy more THs."
Can you elaborate what you mean here?
often you are drawing that treasure the same turn that TH is trashed.
In the world described, you don't have a choice. The only Action card in the supply costing less than BoM is Estate, so you have to play BoM as Estate.
