DXV tested this very delayed Throne Room for Seaside and considered it incredibly weak.
due to being strictly better than Throne Room. Although I agree that it may be too weak for (and thus unpriceable).
I disagree; that applies to all cards with mandatory trashing. Trashing, even when mandatory, is almost universally seen as an upside even for engine-oriented cards that aren't even TfB, like Junk Dealer and Hideout.
I do agree with its price of, but not because of the trashing being mandatory, but because the trashing occurs before the drawing.
Edit: to put it slightly differently, I'm not convinced that Flywheel is better than an Action that read: "Trash a card from your hand. +2 Cards." That card would get bought at $5 (which goes to show how powerful Masquerade is!), but I don't think it would be strong for a trasher.
When you buy it, you get to decide your next turn with great control. But When you play heirs gift, its an okay sifter. Be careful or you might get junked with the gift later!
Beautiful. One might argue that this should perhaps cost
Trash a card from your hand. Draw until you have 6 cards in hand.
Thanks for proposing and judging this fun contest! I think you substantially over-estimate the power of Flywheel. The trashing is mandatory, which dramatically limits its utility as a draw engine because you will generally run out of cards that you want to trash.
over pricing it at , but not because of the trashing being mandatory, but because the trashing occurs before the drawing.
This looks weird. In Kingdoms without other extra Buys you gotta add enough payload cards to hit $8 and then you gotta waste 8 Coins and one Buy on a $4 strength card that then semi-competes with all the other payload card in your deck.
Sure, the next ones are a bit of a freebie but I have a hunch that this is simply too late in the game, spending those $8 on a Province is probably better than building up so late towards a two Provinces per turn deck.
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⑤ Action - Attack
+1 Card
+1 Action
Discard a card.
If it's an Action, each other
player gains a Curse.
Otherwise, +②.
It's a super Oasis, that can sometimes Curse players if you want to. I've got nothing else to say about it.
I cant see how this fulfills the "Draw to X" requirement.
or a card that helps activate a draw-to-X engine.
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Great for early gaining of golds or $5 cards. Terrible for engines later on. Can't tell if this is way too good or terrible, so I'm hoping that means it's just right.
Reminds me of a much more complex card I have. I really like Heist's simplicity, but I don't think it can really get away with "End your turn." It just creates too many rules questions. Many people will think you still do your Clean-up phase, and some will realize you don't.
"Gain a card costing up to $6. End your Action Phase. Skip to your Cleanup Phase."
Does that sound too stupid? At this point, is the "end" even necessary? It's basically just there to clarify that you're done playing action cards now. I may have to scrap this idea.
hey good news on the "is this stupid" front: DxV does not think so. Check out "Vacation" and how it words the "end your turn" stuff.
And you overestimate it’s strength. It certainly isn’t a $4 as your card.He, that is my idea but in a way instead of an action XD
A simple, but sneaky, Way (and death to hand-size attacks) – useful in some spots, but mostly not once you get an engine going.
But this way is not useless once you get an engine going: It can be your engine. You can make an engine out of Chaining festivals. Village, terminal action and any following action is an Laboratory. Chaining Cellars/Warehouses become even more useful to sculpt your perfect hand. You greatly underestimates the power level of this way.
Minion's "refill to 4" option turns a silver into a $5 action.
And draw to five is even better. That's too good to be a way card.
Equivalent or better? This is strictly worse than Lost City for the very reason you described; setting aside an Action card and playing it is strictly worse than +1 Action. With Thrones and terminal draw this becomes a significant disadvantage.
I agree that it is worse--the cost is huge and setting aside an Action card is indeed worse than +1 Action--but it isn't quite strictly worse than Lost City. Lost City can only play two cards.
Also, the fact that it gets all of the Action cards out of your hand before you start resolving them has a variety of interactions with cards that care about what is (or isn't) in your hand: think Tactician, Diplomat, Shanty Town, and and draw-to-x (off the top of my head). (Although Tactician's synergy is more about the fact that you can have another Action card pending [for lack of a better term] when you play it and dump your hand.)
Equivalent or better? This is strictly worse than Lost City for the very reason you described; setting aside an Action card and playing it is strictly worse than +1 Action. With Thrones and terminal draw this becomes a significant disadvantage.
," how much would the Prizes cost if you made Tournament nowadays?
You don't need an non-terminal action card that does not draw, as it does make it easier. Just an village is enough to turn in into a laboratory.Book Seller
$4
Action - Reaction
+1 action
draw until you have 5 cards in hand
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If you discard this card, draw up to 5 cards in hand afterwards
The issue I see with this card is that it doesn’t do anything without a discard outlet or a non-terminal action that does not draw a card (or a discard attack to counter). For that reason, it doesn’t seem worth $4, and a lower cost would not solve that it would not have any use in many kingdoms.
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Action - Duration - Reaction
$5
+1 Action
Now or at the start of your next turn, draw until you have 6 cards.
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When you discard this other than during Clean-up, you may play it.
Most of the time, this would function as a non-terminal draw-to-6, like a Cursed Village without the extra action. Unlike Cursed Village, however, you don't have to get hexed when you gain it. With cards that discard, however, this significantly stronger. The duration aspect makes it a strong counter to discard attacks - by being duration draw you're safe against repeated discard attacks. Get hit by a Militia, play it for next turn, then a second Militia and nothing happens, while if you did the immediate draw, then a second Militia attack would force you to discard back down to three. That would be the main use of the duration option, since otherwise it would normally just amount to a duration +1 Card. The duration option could also function, however, as a proactive defense against discard attacks. It also has a really strong combo with Minion, Hunting Lodge, and Scholar, since you get the draw-to-6 as a reaction to discarding, which happens before the +4, +5, and +7 cards that those three give you - giving you a net handsize of 10, 11, and 13 respectively! Plus an extra Action. As a reaction to an opponent's Minion attack, there'd be an interesting gamble there - you could choose the same-turn option, in which case you'd draw to 6, then get the +4 Cards, for a final hand size of 10. However, if your opponent played another Minion or other discard attack, you'd end up losing those extra cards, while if you chose the next-turn option, you'd be guaranteed 6 cards at the start of your next turn - fewer cards, but safe from other discard attacks. Artificer would also be a strong combo with it, since you can discard a large number of cards and still have a 6-card hand afterwards
What if draw-to-X but X is actually a variable?QuoteGeographer - $4
Action
+1 Action
Reveal and discard a card from your hand. Draw until you have cards in hand equal to its cost in $.
just to get the same net handsize as a Cantrip. Even discarding a just gets you the same net handsize as a Lab, and that's a weak enough effect that you'd probably be better off just playing the !Book Seller
$4
Action - Reaction
+1 action
draw until you have 5 cards in hand
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If you discard this card, draw up to 5 cards in hand afterwards
This card would feed action engines quite nicely, while on it's own only an replacement. With one action played it is an laboratory.
Refuge
Action $3
+1 Action
+1 Buy
Exile from 1 to 3 differently named cards from your hand.
Notes
- Exiling cards has a nice synergy with draw to X engines. Unless you are playing a megaturn strategy, you are going to have to address or accept the problem of victory cards taking up valuable hand space in the latter stages of the game. Exiling them is one way to solve this.
- There are no official cards that allow you to exile multiple differently named cards from your hand. I decided to go down this path.
- I think a non-terminal that allowed you to exile as few or as many cards as you want would be overpowered. I decided to borrow the trashing restrictions from Temple as I find them interesting.
- I decided to put a +buy on the card. It adds another engine component when viewing it as a draw to X enabler.
. The benefits over Temple severely outweigh the negatives imo.
20 Hour Warning!!!
(I'm a few minutes late again. The deadline for submissions is still 23:59 UTC / 7:59 p.m. Eastern (Forum) time on Sunday, July 18, 2021.)
Here are the submissions so far:
spineflu's Carnavale
mxdata's Warlord
fika monster's Volatile Laboratory
naitchman's Breeder
You seem to be relying on the online implementation, not the rulebook?
Way of the Butterfly says yes.So far as I can see it's silent on the matter?
That was my initial thought as well. Vampire and Bat are not Action cards, so cannot be played in unusual ways using emulators/command cards/throne variants, which, in theory, could cause issues.
Ah, but can you really not "return" a card to its pile when it's already there?
