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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM37: Worms Armageddon Mafia (Day 1)

« on: October 20, 2016, 02:19:13 am »

For the last post, PPE: 1

Who's in this game again? *A very slow and arduous process involving navigating to the first page in a new tab later*

Unless specified, "slight town" reads are being self doubted and will be refined at a later date. My current self worry with that whole deal is that I sometimes have a tendancy to think "ah yes, the town seems to be in consensus that this one is town, therefore they probably are" when that can often leads to bad times. That said:

1. Roadrunner7671: Null
2. SpaceAnemone: Slight town
3. gkrieg13: Good at game. Slight town leaning, but not confident enough in my own ability to recognize
4. J Reggie: Slight town
5. silverspawn: Slight scum. Questioning if by "consensus effect." Gut.
6. chairs: Slight scum. Gut.
8. 2.71828.....:Good at game. Null.
9. mail-mi: Null
10. Dylan32: Slight town
11. schadd: Null
12. EFHW: Null

Reads pretty weak overall right now. Can probably be strengthen by a reread that isn't at 2 AM. mail-mi, I'm not a he

What does your read on me mean?

Basically I was trying to put words into the feeling behind J Reggie's vote here:

So gkrieg is a very hard-to-read player and seems to be pretty confident here. vote: gkrieg.

You, along with e and a few others not involved in this game are what I've arbitrarily have decided are good and hard to read players. You have a tendency to act as a strong member of town, and can often take control of a game on your own, or at least mostly so. You act as a powerful asset to your team whatever you are...

It's slightly also emotional possibly? I feel almost this sense of betrayal from games where the wool was fully pulled over my eyes, not even by you directly, but the idea is still there.

I now mentally have both you and e rated as "null" (this is a change from before for gkrieg) but unlike others where I feel I have insufficient stuff to think about (at least as significantly)


PPE: 6 I frickin' typed this up so long ago...
Will continue with the rest

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Non-Mafia Game Threads / Re: One Night Ultimate Werewolf (for 4-8 players)

« on: October 19, 2016, 08:57:57 pm »

I am not a robber

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM37: Worms Armageddon Mafia (Day 1)

« on: October 18, 2016, 02:22:06 am »

For the last post, PPE: 1

Who's in this game again? *A very slow and arduous process involving navigating to the first page in a new tab later*

Unless specified, "slight town" reads are being self doubted and will be refined at a later date. My current self worry with that whole deal is that I sometimes have a tendancy to think "ah yes, the town seems to be in consensus that this one is town, therefore they probably are" when that can often leads to bad times. That said:

1. Roadrunner7671: Null
2. SpaceAnemone: Slight town
3. gkrieg13: Good at game. Slight town leaning, but not confident enough in my own ability to recognize
4. J Reggie: Slight town
5. silverspawn: Slight scum. Questioning if by "consensus effect." Gut.
6. chairs: Slight scum. Gut.
8. 2.71828.....:Good at game. Null.
9. mail-mi: Null
10. Dylan32: Slight town
11. schadd: Null
12. EFHW: Null

Reads pretty weak overall right now. Can probably be strengthen by a reread that isn't at 2 AM. mail-mi, I'm not a he

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM37: Worms Armageddon Mafia (Day 1)

« on: October 18, 2016, 02:08:29 am »

Aaaanyway...
Slight scum on chairs for this, although I may be missing something

Agreed, Dylan32 comes off very town from this exchange.

Worst case scenario this is conflicting playstyle, but I for one like clarity in reads/etc. in general. Basically I'm feeling a bit off on the timing of the post, or lack thereof? Where the closest person he could be agreeing to is mail-mi, 5 posts up which would have been worth clarifying unless he thought it was group consensus? Oh well.

Sorry, sorry, as I "should" have said:

vote: chairs gut read

Meanwhile SA's theory talk is interesting. For reference

According to the set-up (yeah, I know, I get scum points for reading things, but I wanted to come up with ideas about how to play!), the scums can pool their weapons, whereas the rest of us only have what we're carrying.

I'd wondered if discussing what capabilities we all have would be informative, because people not using weapons they'd already claimed they have, or using weapons from someone else's supply must be scum. However, that assumes we have tracking people on our side, and we don't want to out town powers to soon. Also, we receive at least one new weapon each night (our free weapon crates), so sometimes town may get something cool and want to be able to use it immediately.

Does anyone have ideas about what the utility crates might have? Did anyone start out with something other than two random-sounding weapons and want to talk about this stuff? I'm sure not talking about everything is probably the best policy, but I don't think I've over-shared so far.

I think the idea of discussing capabilities etc. is interesting but can't think of a good way to discuss it without just giving scum free information. Unfortunately can't really One Night Ultimate style it (that is, where the consensus is claiming is good and helps town win, and claiming earlier is more pro-town) as the ends are nowhere near justifying the means.

I also wonder if our character abilities are worth discussing (the ones item dependent). I know I for one would like some sort of guidance on the implications of my own and how (if at all) I should use it ((Wow, J. Look at those softclaims up the wazoo. If no one has a pressing reason specifically why I shouldn't reveal it, I'll be happy to do so. I hope that that parsed and grammared correctly)). Once again, basing off of my own, it doesn't seem we have "roles" per say as a part of our character as much as we have small... things?

I want to say that metadiscussion is protown in this game, or at least metametadiscussion. To translate my bullshit, I think discussion of the RMM37 special abilities etc. is more worthwhile and less risky than usual in-thread strategy discussion. And this is based on the idea that intrascum discussion is sure to happen on this regardless, so by doing intratown discussion, we remove the free information aspect scum gets just by nature of being able to talk to eachother. Feel free to disagree with me on my metametametadiscussion though.

Definitely would like other perspectives on all of that mess

darn, could have gotten more towncred by breaking this into more posts. Oh Well! I guess I'll just have to post again. I'm thinking of just summarizing my current ideas and reads at the moment for future reference etc.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM37: Worms Armageddon Mafia (Day 1)

« on: October 18, 2016, 01:37:17 am »

See how much better it is now that I'm contributing?

Simply by separating one thought into each post I become more town! (yes, I'm a slight bit upset with this nonsense)

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM37: Worms Armageddon Mafia (Day 1)

« on: October 18, 2016, 01:36:09 am »

Don't really like the implications of towniness corresponding to post count especially as I've had very high density posts in my few.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM37: Worms Armageddon Mafia (Day 1)

« on: October 18, 2016, 01:34:58 am »

Hi, I'm here. Was going to post a "will discuss stuff when I got to my computer" but I figured it'd be better to just post actual content

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM37: Worms Armageddon Mafia (Day 1)

« on: October 16, 2016, 03:00:53 am »

I'm reading new!town into Dylan here. I remember the exact same thought process during one of my first games here (I know I'm town, and scum knows I'm town...)

How can you guys be reading Dylan as anything right now?

Because of the reason I just provided. Wait, frick. The situation is in fact the exact opposite as I described.

I had assumed that the following quote was in the same context of one of my earlier games (with e in this position at that.. multiple times?), but it was in fact the exact opposite

I sort of feel like I should change my vote since e was the first person to defend me, but I'm still not sure who I would change it to.  Reggie would be the easy choice but I don't want my first vote to be OMGUS already haha

I processed this as Dylan becoming suspicious of e after e defended him, which I had done (once or twice, the first, if it had happened, e was town, but the second, which did, e was scum) early in my forum mafia career as a tendency to overread situations. I, assuming Dylan had done the same, sympathized and voiced the presumed shared experience, putting him closer to town.
However, instead the exact opposite occured. Dylan was voting e, (until?) he defended Dylan. Dylan is less suspicious of e now.

Now uncertain, will return with thoughts. A good old null!read on e. You followed your "town meta" precisely, but you do that regardless I think.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM37: Worms Armageddon Mafia (Day 1)

« on: October 15, 2016, 03:47:16 pm »

I'm reading new!town into Dylan here. I remember the exact same thought process during one of my first games here (I know I'm town, and scum knows I'm town...)

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM37: Worms Armageddon Mafia (Day 1)

« on: October 13, 2016, 09:07:07 pm »

No, no, it's all clear to me now!

vote: WW

The one interaction that occurred is interesting, will think about it later when I have more brain

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Full!)

« on: October 11, 2016, 11:22:45 am »

oh and /tag of course

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Non-Mafia Game Threads / Re: One Night Ultimate Werewolf (for 4-8 players)

« on: October 10, 2016, 11:05:01 pm »

Of course I'm /in for another!

I'll have a proper response for you, tripwire at some point when I'm feeling less tired. If you like math, I can tell you that in this specific 6 player game, if you are town and not the troublemaker, town's interests align 91.67% with yours (that is, there is ~ a 1/12 chance that you started town and got switched to werewolf), and as long as everyone who's town likes those odds, town's odds of winning increase dramatically.

If you like math another way, it's worth obfuscating your own information as a regular towny ~1/12 of the time, the drunk ~5/12 of the time, and scum ~all the time. Using those odds, catching scum is so much easier than worrying about lies. Mathematical victories are pretty nice
..
And also why we should make this setup harder for town!

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Signups Open! 1 spot left!)

« on: October 10, 2016, 10:35:50 pm »

Regrettably, /out. Not confident I can keep up with two mafia games simultaneously along with work etc.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M87: Portal Mafia (Signups Open! 3 spots left!)

« on: October 10, 2016, 12:25:50 am »

Put me /in, but I won't be available until Tuesday

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Non-Mafia Game Threads / Re: One Night Ultimate Werewolf (for 4-8 players)

« on: October 09, 2016, 02:07:35 pm »

Just occurred to me how this specific fakeclaim on the part of tripwire is a pretty good one for Tanner as it's "guaranteed" to get two votes from town.

Similarly giving you, tripwire, a final "Voting for RR is against town"

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Non-Mafia Game Threads / Re: One Night Ultimate Werewolf (for 4-8 players)

« on: October 09, 2016, 02:01:53 pm »

Currently in summary:

1. LaLight: scum by own admission. (>)=50% chance werewolf
2. Roadrunner7671: town almost by necessity, (or if you want math put me down for RR being < [less than for idiocy of claim factor, the fact that if he is scum and wanted to do exactly what he did would require]((8/9)*(7/8)*(6/7)[correctly guessing that there's a Hunter in the town] * 1/5[correctly guessing that I'm the Hunter])) = (less than 2/15 werewolf). If he wanted to pull off this idiocy anyway, almost certainly had to have been a Tanner banking on that 13/15 chance to get caught in a lie. Still not a good plan (see Tanner!tripwire analysis)
3. Calamitas: town by good analysis
4. Ahoppy: uncertain, just following claim + WIFOM, ~1/3 scum; not worth pursuing
6. chairs: ~1/4 scum. Clearly doesn't math out along with Drunk!Ahoppy, but having a role in the set of {Mason, Mason, Insomniac, Werewolf} isn't bad at all. Note that although an insomniac claim could be considered putting chairs to "1/2 scum", note that setup uncertainty + WIFOM + honesty factor, puts me much in the boat of
7. tripwire: scum by actions, claims. Specifically Tanner by (especially timing of) claims etc.


Copy and pasting the short diatribe/Tanner play analysis from two PPE: three posts ago for clarity:

I believe, and am the least certain on of all of the above thoughts etc, that LaLight is a werewolf. Again, I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt that he wouldn't do the obvious "Gee wilikers I'm a Tanner, I should claim werewolf so people lynch me!"**. In my experience, a good and winning Tanner is one who actually acts as close to a Werewolf as possible, although perhaps with a fatal error. Including a (poor) false narrative, a (clearly idiotic, polarizing) fakeclaim, and a full commitment to the role until successfully voted to death for victory. This, to me, sounds much more like tripwire's play than LaL.

1 PPE: will respond in next post

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Non-Mafia Game Threads / Re: One Night Ultimate Werewolf (for 4-8 players)

« on: October 09, 2016, 01:35:51 pm »

Chairs claim would be nice, if only to help confirm all of everything going on a slight bit and reduce those probabily margins by a few percentage points.

Counterclaiming now would idiotic as:

• If town, he should have done so far earlier
• If werewolf, it would just make everything more polarizing/etc and put heat on him now ((See: Tanner!tripwire))

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Non-Mafia Game Threads / Re: One Night Ultimate Werewolf (for 4-8 players)

« on: October 09, 2016, 01:31:20 pm »

Two hours till deadline, so not enough time for proper discussion. I'd like to give a blanket suggestion for everyone to reread the day's discussion before voting, just so we can make informed decisions etc.

Basically going through that now,

RR, if scum (I find unlikely) is clearly the Tanner. As tripwire himself pointed out, the most likely scenario for claiming Robber and claiming a random person and role robbed is suicide**. Luckily, we don't have to worry about that too much as:
tripwire is clearly scum. The entire reason Robber claims are trustworthy are because they are made ahead of perfect knowledge. I don't know how I can say this better. I'm reminded of some idiotic situation in mafia where (let's put in the corresponding identities shall we?) Cal is at L-1, claims his PR, and then tripwire, on Cal's wagon, having just pushed for the lynch of two other people, claims "Ah yes, I'm the Cop and of course knew that Cal is in fact town"
I'm not really able to organize my thoughts better right now, but I really hope that that gobledegook was sufficient in communication of the thought words.

Directly following the idea that tripwire is scum, I can't see him as anything but the Tanner**. I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt (and now also LaL) that he's not incompetent enough to make clearly idiotic plays and claims as a werewolf**. Actually, for what it's worth: tripwire, how much have you played One Night?

Other things...

Objectively, Drunk is at least 2/3 chance town, what with two scum roles encapsulated in LaL and trip/RR

I believe, and am the least certain on of all of the above thoughts etc, that LaLight is a werewolf. Again, I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt that he wouldn't do the obvious "Gee wilikers I'm a Tanner, I should claim werewolf so people lynch me!"**. In my experience, a good and winning Tanner is one who actually acts as close to a Werewolf as possible, although perhaps with a fatal error. Including a (poor) false narrative, a (clearly idiotic, polarizing) fakeclaim, and a full commitment to the role until successfully voted to death for victory. This, to me, sounds much more like tripwire's play than LaL.
The implied scum narrative I'm giving LaL is, of course "I'm Werewolf, time to protect myself with WIFOM"


**WIFOM, as always, applies strongly in this game. I'm voicing my own opinions/reads, which I recognize have a chance of being radically incorrect just by nature of the game. These are my views/thoughts/opinions/conclusions off of what I best think describes the game, its state, and the players playing it.

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Non-Mafia Game Threads / Re: One Night Ultimate Werewolf (for 4-8 players)

« on: October 09, 2016, 03:34:39 am »

Cal, who did you switch?
tripwire, before this is your last chance to claim and get any amount of towncred from it
After Cal, chairs should claim. role along with any relevant information

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Non-Mafia Game Threads / Re: One Night Ultimate Werewolf (for 4-8 players)

« on: October 08, 2016, 12:09:00 am »

Sorry, I don't feel comfortable laying all my cards on the table until I know if there's a troublemaker and who they switched.

And I will be honest: you're right, soft claims are less "towny," but in One Night, when there's roles like the troublemaker out, there's no way you can know if you're still town. In my experience people play super truthful when they're town and then they realize that often causes them to lose (e.g. they'll be the one to determine the wolf without a doubt only to learn they were switched with them, and now they lose.)

Although you're working in your own best interest, you're working against town's. I was already confident that you were scum, the question just remains on which flavor you are, which I hoped would put you one way or another would help us with. Less sure if this bullshit was intentional, currently of the opinion that it was, therefore tanner, but Cal...

I for one think I've heard enough from tripwire and am ready to move on.

Alright, let's hear claims from Cal and chairs. Cal, not even an is/is not troublemaker?
I still hold that you two should start with those before full claims, as it greatly helps in the final portion of the game, but I would rather hear claims earlier than later real life time-wise

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Non-Mafia Game Threads / Re: One Night Ultimate Werewolf (for 4-8 players)

« on: October 07, 2016, 05:37:55 pm »

Meanwhile, I want a binary is/is not troublemaker from (I think the only unclaimed people) chairs and Calamitas, followed probably by asking for claims from them.

Scratch that. Or rather, first:
tripwire, who'd you steal from then?

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Non-Mafia Game Threads / Re: One Night Ultimate Werewolf (for 4-8 players)

« on: October 07, 2016, 05:32:19 pm »

I'm gonna trust RR on this one. I think it's clear tripwire and LaLight are scum. As to which they are, there's some WIFOM involved, more thoughts on that later probably

I was a bit suspicious of tripwire's softclaim, which is a purely unnecesary act as town. The assertion that roles got moved around is a likely one with two such moving roles and an insomniac to claim.

For some reason feel like both LaLights and tripwire's claims are deliberately false, putting LaL closer to tanner and tw closer to werewolf, but once again, WIFOM too strong

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Non-Mafia Game Threads / Re: One Night Ultimate Werewolf (for 4-8 players)

« on: October 07, 2016, 04:14:00 pm »

Or rather, the troublemaker should claim now.

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Non-Mafia Game Threads / Re: One Night Ultimate Werewolf (for 4-8 players)

« on: October 07, 2016, 04:12:46 pm »

Alternatively, full troublemaker counterclaim should happen now if at all

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Non-Mafia Game Threads / Re: One Night Ultimate Werewolf (for 4-8 players)

« on: October 07, 2016, 04:05:41 pm »

Can confirm RR, was the Hunter