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I really don't understand how PoE makes me obvscum. If everyone else is doing a better job at convincing you than me, couldn't that be because everyone else in question has had more experience convincing people they're Town?

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ash, I beg you to vote Dsell. How does begging help again?

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I think Jimmm and Dsell being from the same team is almost impossible. Especially if one of them is scum.

Eevee is not sure whether to take his scumbuddy's side and doesn't know what to say, so he posts this to look like he's contributing.
Eevee is leaning towards Jimmm because that just looks like he is fabricatlng arguments.

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Well I guess there's no point not voting at this point. Hats off to Dsell for finding something minor and taking it way out of proportion. After I flip Town if you lynch me today, just make sure you lynch Dsell tomorrow to bring it back to 50/50.

Vote: Dsell.

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I kind of feel like Dsell is twisting what I say, and I don't have the argumentative skills to keep up. Let me explain my perspective.

When I said "the wagon was unwarranted", I was reading Dsell from the reference point of Galz'  #454 (14 posts before mine), in which he points out that everyone in the game except for me and Dsell had either voted for Dsell or expressed willingness to vote for Dsell. So from my point of view, if Dsell's not scum then that includes the entire scum team.

My first response to Dsell is when I had been re-reading Insom, so my mind was on other things. Dsell basically said, "The wagon was just Masons+1", so I said "Oh ok, guess it wasn't much then". But then I was like, "Oh hang on, more people are voting/willing to vote for him than that". So I looked at Dsell's post in which he seems to be focussing on the word "early", so I thought "Oh he must think I'm talking about a minor wagon early on instead of the main wagon". That's what I thought he meant. I wasn't actually talking about any particular vote count, I was talking about the fact that everyone else in the game has said they'll vote for him. I didn't at this point go back and check the actual wagons, because I thought this was just him misunderstanding what I meant, and so just a distraction from my Insom-reading.

I realise I made the mistake of not checking things before I responded to Dsell. But I really think he just saw something he could work with and is now trying really hard to get the focus off of him.

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Okay, I am going back to look at the wagons. Chill out, bro. You're just jumping on the fact that I'm a little uninformed about the wagons themselves.

Yes, you're right. A Mason/Mason/X wagon is not particularly suspect. The way you were saying it, you were really close to being lynched.

Also, I forgot the 3 was L - 2.  :-[

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I'm actually a fair bit more suspicious of Dsell now. His blowup at me reads to me like he's thinking "Yes! Here's something that I can work with, let's make that sounds really scummy."

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Also, by "early", I didn't mean in the context of the game so far, I meant in the context of the game as a whole, it's still early. So no, I wasn't talking about the wagon with three people, I was talking about the one that got to L - 2 (and you thought nearly got to L - 1), but I was unaware there were two separate wagons.

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Ah well there you go. I've been reading more about the wagon than the wagon itself (I was reading Dsell's posts), I guess it's been made a bigger deal than it actually was, sorry for perpetuating that. Do we include suspicions as part of the wagon? I don't know.

Dsell, big bold and lots of 'm's still only count as one vote, right?

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Re-read Dsell, and I didn't see anything that jumped out on me until his last few posts. There seems to be a sort of change in his tact, from seemingly genuine scumhunting to defensive wriggling to try to avoid being lynched. I mean, obviously that's what he's trying to do, and this could come from either a Town or scum perspective. Again, I don't particularly like anyone going on about how Towny they are.

So I think Dsell's more likely scum than Eevee, but I'm very far from convinced. I'm not sure the early wagon on him was entirely warranted, so FoS that I suppose.

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Okay, time to read Dsell and then Insom.

Pre-re-read thought on Dsell:

Could it possibly be a scum ploy to see a little heat on Dsell, and then deliberately push that further to make it look like scum are trying to lynch him ala Eevee's "Okay Dsell wagon is growing at an alarming rate. L-2!"?

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So I'm not sure I'll be able to commit too much to this game now I've had some RL stuff come up thats quite important, so if someone wants to replace in thats fine, otherwise I'll do my best

I hope everything is ok.

Yeah, this.

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Just re-read Eevee, and most of it seemed pretty genuine, I think. I feel like this is more normal Eevee than we've seen in the last couple of games, although he was Town in those game so I don't know.

I would like an explanation on this:

Lol, calling anyone "obvscum" at this point is quite preposterous. I do suspect ashersky a fair bit as well.

My town reads:
Galzria
Robz

Hard to read / scummy
Insomniac
Dsell

Scummy
Jimmm
Ashersky

Jimmms absence is in line with his behavior in all the other games fwiw, I don't feel he has been particularly lurky here.

Eevee, if your problem is not with my post count what is it? Or is it just elimination/wanting to have two in each category?

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And by the end of the day you'll know one. With the Masons deciding which is best to step forward, and at what time.

Yes. One will claim by the end of the day, making both IC's tomorrow no matter what happens.

Eevee, I think this is what Galz was talking about. When I saw them I kind of thought "Oh I guess that mean Galz is obvMason, which probably means he isn't."

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM4: PokeAwesome (Day 1; PM Mods for Spec QT!!)
« on: December 20, 2012, 04:14:45 pm »
I think now the only thing I can do with my ability is offer it to the Town. I think Tables is almost certainly Town, and I think most people think that too. So if he's cleared in day 2, then I'll Leer exactly when and at exactly whom Tables orders me to, unless there are major objections from like four others.

I am Town, but on the other hand I don't have a particularly helpful ability, I know that, and I also know I haven't contributed that much, so if you want to lynch me based on that, then I'd be a better choice than a Townie with a stronger ability.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM4: PokeAwesome (Day 1; PM Mods for Spec QT!!)
« on: December 20, 2012, 04:11:52 pm »
Hi I'm here.

I want you to think about this for a moment. If I had my two scumbuddies in my ear telling me what to, since they are most likely more experienced than me, is there any way in hell they would let me do what I did?

I honestly didn't realise at the time how suspicious it looked. My intent was simply to help us make a decision, and one that it looked like we might be heading towards anyway.

I know my ability is not particularly pro-Town. The only way it would be is if I happen to have better reads than everyone else, and even then using it only puts me at odds with the people voting for people I leave off the list.

But the alternative is not using it, but that makes me essentially a VT, and man I am not in a Role Madness game to be a VT.

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Update: just found out my shifts today and tomorrow have been cancelled, so I should be here until deadline now.

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Hey guys, I'm here but not for long. Sorry I haven't been that active - I've had too much on. Doing an Eevee read now.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM4: PokeAwesome (Day 1; PM Mods for Spec QT!!)
« on: December 20, 2012, 07:35:34 am »
cayvie (and ash), do you actually think I'm scum, or are you just voting for me just in case I'm scum because I have an ability that would be more powerful if I was scum?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XVII: Tabula Rasa (Buffyverse) - Day 2!
« on: December 20, 2012, 07:26:38 am »
I guess I just feel like in a non-Bastard game someone who's already been killed once shouldn't be able to magically re-appear. It just messes with everyone.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM4: PokeAwesome (Day 1; PM Mods for Spec QT!!)
« on: December 20, 2012, 07:25:14 am »
Well that's one way of going about it. Here's another. If the cop claims and I exclude him from the Leer, then lynch me.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM4: PokeAwesome (Day 1; PM Mods for Spec QT!!)
« on: December 20, 2012, 06:00:30 am »
I think if we have both Doctor/s and Cop/s there must be some sort of wrench.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM4: PokeAwesome (Day 1; PM Mods for Spec QT!!)
« on: December 20, 2012, 05:55:54 am »
Oh okay, I see.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM4: PokeAwesome (Day 1; PM Mods for Spec QT!!)
« on: December 20, 2012, 05:53:34 am »
I think Tables' idea is pretty much a variation on that, isn't it?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM4: PokeAwesome (Day 1; PM Mods for Spec QT!!)
« on: December 20, 2012, 05:41:52 am »
Yeah you're right. Easy to use as scum. Much harder to use effectively as Town.

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