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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M46 : Homeland Mafia (Day 1)
« on: July 07, 2014, 06:17:05 pm »That's not very compelling, Azadin. Chair making jokes is, as far as I can tell, a Chairs quality, not a scum or town quality. Ash's argument that nervous joking could be indicative of scum is fine, but I see no nervous joking there.
That's fair, and I am in the unfortunate position of having no forum meta knowledge whatsoever to go off of, so I'm relying more on individual things I see and gut reads. Unless I have a compelling reason to switch my vote, I'm staying where I'm at.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M46 : Homeland Mafia (Day 1)
« on: July 07, 2014, 06:03:28 pm »I will probably lurk for at least a little bit, mostly because I really have no idea what sorts of things to say or do.
Though I've gone through some of the wiki that ADK posted to me earlier (Thanks, by the way!) and in the first post of the thread, so hopefully it won't take long for me to start catching on to some scummy tells!
In the meantime, I also jumped on the ADK wagon as more of a joke, but will Unvote for now until I can get a better feel for what's going on.
vote: azadin
No lurking. If you're Town, then just posting "So here's what I think of this" even if it's "Well, I thought this was interesting and it makes me feel like X is more scummy/less scummy/posting too little/possibly an alien" is great. The more that you post about what you're reading and what you think of what you read, the more interactions we get from you, the more we can in turn state what we think about your opinions, creating interactions of our own that you can then read into - which is how you get to say "Aha! Based on all these people talking, and what they're talking about (and ignoring), I can say that I think this one is the Mafioso plaguing our fair city!"... and eventually we lynch one, and find out if we were right, and that gives us more data to go through and refine our opinions of everyone else based on the interactions that occurred.
In other words, not talking is giving Mafia the excuse to not talk, and if they can get away with not talking, their Days are easier.
(This is a game. We are supposed to be having fun. I am taking Mafia less serious-face-modo-mojo-jojo so anticipate that I will, occasionally, crack a joke.)
Also to take a page from Robz's book, vote: ww for using smiley.
Here. The wishy-washiness comes after this when he tries to weave jokes in and out of serious posting.
And yes, he was VLA'd for the holiday weekend, but since he's been back, he's contributed *nothing* but votes for people simply because they "aren't him." I guess he said he agreed with the scott_pilgrim case.
Let's try something else. Chairs: why shouldn't we lynch you?
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M46 : Homeland Mafia (Day 1)
« on: July 07, 2014, 05:52:01 pm »
WW - why are you against the chairs lynch, here? His case is based around his overcompensation and wishy-washy posting. You called my "overcompensating behavior" (covering all my bases) scummy, so why not support the chairs case for the same reason? You seem to be oddly deflecting your attention from him, making me think you're pretty scummy yourself. I guess we'll see if chairs is lynched and what he flips.
PPE: 2
PPE: 2
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M46 : Homeland Mafia (Day 1)
« on: July 07, 2014, 05:40:41 pm »
Alright, I'm on until deadline.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M46 : Homeland Mafia (Day 1)
« on: July 06, 2014, 03:44:53 pm »
faust, why are you suddenly voting randomly? I realize our deadline is approaching but you don't seem to have a whole lot of rhyme or reason to it.
ADK, there are 2 major wagons at the moment, chairs and sudgy. If I recall, you started the sudgy wagon by stating he was being pretty quiet and hanging back? From what other people have said (and he said himself), that's the way he usually is. He hasn't struck me as overly cautious at all. Maybe a little reserved, but I wouldn't say cautious. I still don't feel great about a sudgy lynch.
Witherweaver, your analysis from a couple nights ago seems pretty good. However, let me attest to the following:
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I have never played forum mafia or anything similar before. I will say, however, that I am a very logical person regardless; I will always back up my thoughts with some sort of reasonable argument or claim, thereby "covering my bases." Why say something that doesn't mean anything? It's still striking me as odd that in forum mafia, it's a town read when someone is being rash or illogical. That seems to be what most people are saying when they claim this behavior is towny.
Eevee, you say chairs is always like this?
I'm still feeling pretty good about the chairs lynch. I'm not really seeing a case against sudgy or scott, here. If chairs flips scum, faust would be at the top of my scum list. He's been actively trying to get people off that wagon ever since it got close to lynch.
ADK, there are 2 major wagons at the moment, chairs and sudgy. If I recall, you started the sudgy wagon by stating he was being pretty quiet and hanging back? From what other people have said (and he said himself), that's the way he usually is. He hasn't struck me as overly cautious at all. Maybe a little reserved, but I wouldn't say cautious. I still don't feel great about a sudgy lynch.
Witherweaver, your analysis from a couple nights ago seems pretty good. However, let me attest to the following:
I will probably lurk for at least a little bit, mostly because I really have no idea what sorts of things to say or do.
Though I've gone through some of the wiki that ADK posted to me earlier (Thanks, by the way!) and in the first post of the thread, so hopefully it won't take long for me to start catching on to some scummy tells!
In the meantime, I also jumped on the ADK wagon as more of a joke, but will Unvote for now until I can get a better feel for what's going on.
Everyone kind of let this one go after responding with "no don't lurk"... weird that this was the first time anyone brought up lurking. Have you played forum mafia or those games before, Azadin?
When has someone ever announced the intent to do something distinctly anti-town/scummy?
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I believe EgorK would have come up with a better reason if he felt the need to make up a reason. Azadin seems scummier for looking like he has all his bases covered.
I have never played forum mafia or anything similar before. I will say, however, that I am a very logical person regardless; I will always back up my thoughts with some sort of reasonable argument or claim, thereby "covering my bases." Why say something that doesn't mean anything? It's still striking me as odd that in forum mafia, it's a town read when someone is being rash or illogical. That seems to be what most people are saying when they claim this behavior is towny.
Eevee, you say chairs is always like this?
I'm still feeling pretty good about the chairs lynch. I'm not really seeing a case against sudgy or scott, here. If chairs flips scum, faust would be at the top of my scum list. He's been actively trying to get people off that wagon ever since it got close to lynch.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M46 : Homeland Mafia (Day 1)
« on: July 04, 2014, 12:20:53 pm »I just looked over sudgy's posts and yeah, I'm actually feeling really good about that vote. He's very much hanging back and not making waves.I don't quite know how to explain this, but upon rereading him, I found it surprising how polished everything he has posted has been. He looks cautious and calculating.
vote: sudgy
So, I'm busy from Sunday until now, and I finally decide to get back into this, and I have a wagon.
And it's the same wagon I get every game. Yippee. I'm not even answering it, it's the same every time.
Anyway, EgorK, my vote on you was a serious vote.
I have somewhat agreed with chairs' scumminess, and this post:Can I go with "not me"?
I guess I'll vote: sudgy since that's a reasonable D1 lynch, I suppose.
screams scum to me as well. Is chairs still close to being lynched?
Ok, I just reread. Honestly I'm not getting the same vibe from sudgy. His posts didn't seem overly cautious or calculating and he's actually acting more towny in my opinion. His exasperation about having a wagon on D1 again seems genuine (though I can't vouch for the authenticity of the claim).
Question for sudgy though -- how come you didn't vote chairs if he screams scum to you? You mention your vote on EgorK was a serious one, but I guess I'm failing to see why. If you think chairs is scummy, why not vote? Also, the post from chairs he quoted here just re-enforces my vote on him. He doesn't really give any reasons whatsoever for his vote on sudgy except that he's a reasonable D1 lynch. And he supposes. That tells me he's trying to be non-chalant about the post and not be too assuming, which is scummy.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M46 : Homeland Mafia (Day 1)
« on: July 03, 2014, 05:03:01 pm »
One thing I've noticed in my first game is that it's hard to get a read on people based solely off how they're making arguments and responding to other people's arguments since there was nothing to start the arguments initially. Day 1 you have nothing...so you are just saying random things attempting to glean information from other people's behavior. I imagine this dramatically changes after Day 1 when you can go back and see what people were saying and then actually have premises for arguments (that is, the lynch flip and any night actions).
Am I wrong? Seems to me Day 1 is pretty much a crapshoot. That being said, I am still of the opinion that chairs seemed to be really wishy washy with the strange behavior ash and I already discussed, so I still like my vote. Is sudgy at 3 votes now? Need to go back and reread and see if I also notice what mcmc, faust, and ADK are talking about.
Am I wrong? Seems to me Day 1 is pretty much a crapshoot. That being said, I am still of the opinion that chairs seemed to be really wishy washy with the strange behavior ash and I already discussed, so I still like my vote. Is sudgy at 3 votes now? Need to go back and reread and see if I also notice what mcmc, faust, and ADK are talking about.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M46 : Homeland Mafia (Day 1)
« on: July 02, 2014, 12:39:08 am »Here are the two posts from chairs that made me suspicious:
#1:(This is a game. We are supposed to be having fun. I am taking Mafia less serious-face-modo-mojo-jojo so anticipate that I will, occasionally, crack a joke.)
Also to take a page from Robz's book, vote: ww for using smiley.
#2:I'm not sure I follow.
I think azadin's "I'm going to lurk" was, in fact, scummy.
Also I think I follow now, just realized I'd voted WW for smiley face. Obviously that wasn't terribly serious
That said, I'll say azadin has clearly decided to take my suggestion not to lurk to heart, and so I'll go back to vote: A Drowned Kernel because I still think the "let's blitz lynch" statement was scummy, even though he's kind of backed off of that a little.
I explained #2 earlier, but it was #1 I think, that started it for me. That "less serious-face-modo-mojo-jojo" joke feels forced, and he even says he'll crack jokes right after he cracks a joke, which is an "overcompensation" or overexplanation of himself.
Imagine someone doing the following:
---I'm going to do something scummy for a reasons guys
---does something scummy
---Hey guys I just did something scummy, but there was a reason
That's what I mean by "overcompensating" for something. It's like he really feels like he needs to make sure EVERYONE is aware that he's a jokey guy because, see, jokes! Then in #2, he following with a smiley face joke, and overexplains himself about azadin.
So that's my small chairs case.
Post 1: So in a nutshell, are you saying that he's scummy precisely because he prefaced a joke by saying he would likely be telling jokes? I suppose I'm not seeing why overcompensation (at least in this particular matter) is indicative of scum behavior. So for me, this post was null.
However, your point on post #2 has convinced me that chairs is acting strange. He jumps back and forth about understanding someone else's reasoning, tries to make a joke, and confuses everything by going back to a vote he had already made on someone he admits seems less scummy than he did when he originally voted for him.
Vote: chairs
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General Discussion / Re: Anybody Else Have the Agricola Game App?
« on: June 30, 2014, 03:17:34 pm »
I have it, pretty fun game but I'm pretty terrible...
Do you have the other expansions as well? I think the other decks make it more interesting.
Do you have the other expansions as well? I think the other decks make it more interesting.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M46 : Homeland Mafia (Day 1)
« on: June 30, 2014, 11:46:15 am »Also, where is everyone?
Hiding. (is it normally this quiet...?)
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M46 : Homeland Mafia (Day 1)
« on: June 28, 2014, 06:57:26 pm »
I think ADK is an easy target to paint scummy, but really, what motivation does scum have to propose blitz lynch?
Vote: mcmcsalot
I agree with this. I really don't think scum would risk proposing a blitz lynch like that so early in the game, even for WIFOM purposes. As scum, if you don't propose a blitz lynch like that at all, then things could proceed normally. If you do, there's a risk it would work and then you'd just look dumb and town would get a significant advantage. As town, though -- if you propose it, it just gets discussion rolling, because even if it works and you get lynched, the interactions and derived information can be very illuminating. It's not likely to work anyway. It's also just a little crazy
ADK's blitz lynch was probably not going to happen. It's not scummy remotely. Mcmc could be slightly scummy for actually talking about going to L-1, scum could derphammer and who would know.
I do think mcmc's L-1 hammer discussion is pretty scummy. Seems like something scum would be all over. "Wow, barely a real day in and we might get a town lynch!" Granted - it being that early I think most of the wagon were just getting on as a joke.
Vote: mcmcsalot for bringing ADK so close to a lynch so quickly.
Azadin is mega scummy, no one else thinks self-consciousness in a newbie is scummy?
I wouldn't know, being the newbie. I do know, however, that my self-conciousness is *entirely* driven by my being new and just getting a feel for everything. I know nothing about the meta of this site or how any of you normally act, but I am going to take chairs' advice and just get out there anyway. It also seems like you are trying pretty hard to make me look scummy. This seems like a scummy thing to do: "Let's go for the easy target!"
Robz888 and mcmcsalot are reading scummy to me at this point. ADK is reading pretty towny to me, as is scott_pilgrim (I think his thought process was wrong about ADK's reasoning, but I like that he was thinking that way.) Everyone else is null to me at this point.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M46 : Homeland Mafia (Day 1)
« on: June 27, 2014, 05:15:06 pm »I will probably lurk for at least a little bit, mostly because I really have no idea what sorts of things to say or do.
Though I've gone through some of the wiki that ADK posted to me earlier (Thanks, by the way!) and in the first post of the thread, so hopefully it won't take long for me to start catching on to some scummy tells!
In the meantime, I also jumped on the ADK wagon as more of a joke, but will Unvote for now until I can get a better feel for what's going on.
This is oddly self conscious play for a newbie. Have you been reading other games?
Yeah, I've been looking through a couple other ones. It can be overwhelming, but I guess that's half the fun! From now on, LEEROY JEENKINS!
Regarding scott and azadin: I'm not sure people give newbies enough credit, they're not coming into the game as totally blank slates, and are probably more likely than experienced players to be self-conscious and cautious because they know that they're new to the community.
This.
vote: azadin
No lurking. If you're Town, then just posting "So here's what I think of this" even if it's "Well, I thought this was interesting and it makes me feel like X is more scummy/less scummy/posting too little/possibly an alien" is great. The more that you post about what you're reading and what you think of what you read, the more interactions we get from you, the more we can in turn state what we think about your opinions, creating interactions of our own that you can then read into - which is how you get to say "Aha! Based on all these people talking, and what they're talking about (and ignoring), I can say that I think this one is the Mafioso plaguing our fair city!"... and eventually we lynch one, and find out if we were right, and that gives us more data to go through and refine our opinions of everyone else based on the interactions that occurred.
In other words, not talking is giving Mafia the excuse to not talk, and if they can get away with not talking, their Days are easier.
Makes sense. All I've noticed so far is that faust has said only two things:
Quote from: faust
Wow, yuma as IC is great! That probably means two Ms, right?
Also vote: Witherweaver worked well in the past.
and
Quote from: faust
Sorry, I did not read thoroughly. Yeah, I can't figure out what to post as well, this game has too little theory for me and now I don't really get into the game
I'm not scummy scum scum though.
Vote: faust for not really providing anything at all outside of a self non-scummy claim.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M46 : Homeland Mafia (Day 1)
« on: June 27, 2014, 03:36:08 pm »
I will probably lurk for at least a little bit, mostly because I really have no idea what sorts of things to say or do.
Though I've gone through some of the wiki that ADK posted to me earlier (Thanks, by the way!) and in the first post of the thread, so hopefully it won't take long for me to start catching on to some scummy tells!
In the meantime, I also jumped on the ADK wagon as more of a joke, but will Unvote for now until I can get a better feel for what's going on.
Though I've gone through some of the wiki that ADK posted to me earlier (Thanks, by the way!) and in the first post of the thread, so hopefully it won't take long for me to start catching on to some scummy tells!
In the meantime, I also jumped on the ADK wagon as more of a joke, but will Unvote for now until I can get a better feel for what's going on.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M46 : Homeland Mafia - Day 1 is underway !
« on: June 26, 2014, 09:30:15 pm »
I think I missed an "is theory talk" in there...
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M46 : Homeland Mafia - Day 1 is underway !
« on: June 26, 2014, 09:23:46 pm »Is talking about whether talking about theory talk is theory talk theory talk?
Oh oh! Is talking about whether talking about whether talking about theory talk is theory talk theory talk?
Vote: A Drowned Kernel
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M46 : Homeland Mafia - Day 1 is underway !
« on: June 26, 2014, 06:49:20 pm »
Oh, hey guys. First day, first game. ADK: What is this theory talk of which you speak?
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M46 : Homeland Mafia - 1 spot left !
« on: June 25, 2014, 02:54:36 pm »
Alright, I'm in. Let's try this out.
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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M46 : Homeland Mafia - 1 spot left !
« on: June 25, 2014, 12:00:26 pm »
I have never played a forum game or Mafia before, but it seems interesting. Would anyone care if a complete Mafia noob joined you? Could some nice soul PM me with a bit of information about this? (Realistic time commitment, tips, anything else you think might be relevant). I've skimmed through some stuff and it seems a bit overwhelming, but absolutely something I could get into if I tried it out.
Thanks!
Thanks!
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Dominion General Discussion / Re: New Promo at Origins...
« on: June 14, 2014, 11:02:43 am »So when Card X plays Band of Misfits twice, and Band of Misfits leaves play between the two occasions, then Band of Misfits can be two different things if X is Prince but it has to be the same thing twice if X is Throne Room. Right?
TR does not put a card into play twice. It plays it twice, but puts it into play once (the first time).
I know that, but why does it matter? Band of Misfits tells you that you choose a card for it to impersonate when you "Play this", not when you put it into play.
When it's played, it becomes the card you choose until it leaves play. If you throne room it, you play the BoM, choose a card, and now the BoM is that card. Throne Room says you play an action twice, so you play the card BoM has become, twice. It doesn't matter if the Throne Room has lost track of the card, the Throne Room doesn't care. It plays the action of the card (which BoM became) twice.
With Prince, it leaves play when it is set aside and is played again on the next turn.
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Dominion General Discussion / Re: New Promo at Origins...
« on: June 13, 2014, 05:20:50 pm »If you have a Prince of Band of Misfits, do you get to keep changing the card or does it lock in like for Throne Room?
Doesn't Band of Misfits say it becomes the other card until it leaves play? And playing the card is when it becomes another card? I think setting it aside qualifies as leaving play, and playing it the next turn as a Band of Misfits lets you choose a card again.
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Dominion General Discussion / Re: New Promo at Origins...
« on: June 12, 2014, 03:41:52 pm »After three highways, prince of king's court.
So mechanics question. Does the cost of the card you set aside have to be 4 the first time you play Prince, or does its cost have to be 4 or less at the end of each turn from then on out? The wording seems to imply that it only has to cost 4 when you initially play Prince and set the card aside with it. This seems crazy strong.
Also, if you Prince the King's Court, and play a duration card with it, would the King's Court get set back on the Prince, or would it go with the duration card, thereby losing it's Prince status afterward?
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Dominion General Discussion / Re: 206th card
« on: June 09, 2014, 11:38:47 pm »
flat; you lent ... lack consistency ... waste(d) .
Probably too much of a stretch. The hole pun thing just isn't really my forte I guess.
Probably too much of a stretch. The hole pun thing just isn't really my forte I guess.