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Variants and Fan Cards / Re: Cave - secret vp card

« on: January 06, 2014, 01:17:48 am »

I like the idea and might test it out at some point.


(I always thought using the #vpon command on Goko was kindof cheating.)

1852

Variants and Fan Cards / Re: Revised versions of published cards

« on: January 06, 2014, 01:13:11 am »

Harvest
$5 - Treasure

Reveal the top 4 cards of your deck. Put them back in the order they were in.  +$1 per differently named card revealed.

Why didn't they make Harvest as a treasure card in the first place?

1853

Goko Dominion Online / Re: Goko > Iso

« on: January 05, 2014, 03:04:38 am »

Just tried out that Japanese site.  I like how on the card list, you can view the card art enlarged so you can see the detail better.
BTW, I lost to someone who was making good use of scouts.

1854

Variants and Fan Cards / Re: A New VP Token Idea

« on: January 05, 2014, 02:38:53 am »

This seems a little related to Great Hall in that VP tokens are kinda like Great Halls...

VP tokens are very different from Great Halls IMO, especially in games with any cards like Ironworks, Ironmonger, Tribute, Peddler, or even Conspiritor.  Great Halls can be trashed by attacks or remodeled into duchies.  VP tokens significantly change the original concept of the game.

Anyway, I kinda like Davio's card idea. (I like it better than most other fan-made token-using cards I've seen.)  It might be a good idea to disallow putting it on copper.  I'm imagining someone using gardens or goons while ministering coppers and stocking up on +buy cards.

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Variants and Fan Cards / Re: Card Workshop: The Copper Junker Attack

« on: January 03, 2014, 01:24:13 am »

Jinxed Knave
Types: Action - Attack - Reaction
Cost: $4
+$1. Each other player reveals the top card of his deck. If it's not Copper, he gains a Copper, putting it on top of his deck.When any other player plays an attack card, you may discard this.  If you do, gain a conscripts, putting it into your hand.

A little more seriously, how about this:

Putpocket
Types: Action - Attack
Cost: $3
Reveal the top card of your deck. If it's a copper, you may put it into your hand or trash it.  Otherwise, you may discard the revealed card or put it back.
Each other player reveals the top card of his deck. If it's not Copper, he gains a Copper, putting it on top of his deck.

1856

Mini-Set Design Contest / Re: Treasure Chest Design Contest — Card #7: Alchemy

« on: January 03, 2014, 12:11:28 am »

I really like Research except for that flaw about multiplying and colliding researches that dghunter pointed out.  (Kindof similar to the difficulty using the Forge which I tried out recently for the first time.)  Maybe it could be tweaked to allow a conversion like this:

Research
Types: Action
Cost: $1P
Trash 2 cards from your hand. Gain a card costing exactly $2 or $1P more than the total cost of the trashed cards in coins. You may ignore any potion in the cost of the trashed cards when choosing a card to gain.
When you gain this, gain an Action costing up to $4.

This way you could get something useful out of colliding Research cards (or turn a familiar into a non-potion cost card after the curses run out).

...This fun scenario just popped into my head:
Play a familar (giving out the last curse), then play a research, trashing your other familiar and a copper to gain a peddler.

I like the incantation too.  Not only trashing a copper to get a silver or a silver to get a gold, but also to trash those action cards that are useful early game and not as useful later on (chapel, moneylender, bureaucrat).
And it could also probably be improved with a small tweak "...If you do, reveal cards from your deck until you reveal a card that costs at least as much as it and shares a type with it. Put it into your hand and discard the rest."
Then you couldn't count on getting a silver to replace a trashed copper, but getting a copper to replace your trashed copper is still good.

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Goko Dominion Online / Re: Create game does not work

« on: December 28, 2013, 11:01:25 pm »

Is there an update of Salvager that includes this?

1858

Dominion General Discussion / Re: Anagrams

« on: December 28, 2013, 03:38:45 am »

deliver a runt barry
a bed return rivalry
a berry lurid tavern
narrate blurry dive
  And one that goes with the movie I just saw this evening:
an barrel river duty

PS: The name Drab Emordnilap would be a lot cooler if it was actually a palindrome.
 Drabemord Nilapal Indro Mebard?

1859

Mini-Set Design Contest / Re: Treasure Chest Design Contest — Card #8: Guilds

« on: December 27, 2013, 01:32:56 am »

My comments on a few cards:

Dancer
Types: Action
Cost: $4
+1 Card. Take a Coin token. You may pay any number of Coin tokens. For each token you paid, +1 Action.
When you gain this, take a Coin token.

I like it at $3 cost.  Wouldn't work well as an only village in an engine, but I think it'd work great in a BM+ deck or with other village cards where you could use it as a village sometimes or use it to collect coin tokens other times.  I don't think it's supposed to be used as a cantrip most of the time.

Royal Guard
Types: Action – Reaction
Cost: $3
+1 Action. Choose one: Take a Coin token; or pay any number of Coin tokens and +$2 per token paid.
When any player (including you) plays an Attack card, you may discard this from your hand. If you do, take 2 Coin tokens.

I think like it.  But I think it'd be underpowered if there were no attack cards or other coin token cards in the kingdom, and it'd be hard to strengthen it without making it overpowered with attack cards.

Councilman
Types: Action – Attack
Cost: $8–
+1 Card. +1 Action. Each other player pays a Coin token. If nobody did, +1 Card and +1 Buy.
You may underpay for this card. For each $1 you underpaid, each other player takes a Coin token.

I like the idea (including the underpay), but I don't think it works well as-is because of what eHalcyon said.  Also, I'm not sure if it means each other player gives you a coin token or returns a coin token to the suppy.  I'd like it better if they give you the coin tokens.

Jeweler
Types: Action
Cost: $3+
Take a Coin token. Name a card. Each other player reveals his hand. If the named card is reveald, take a Coin token.
When you buy this, you may overpay for it. Take a Coin token per $2 you overpaid (rounded down).

I think overpay for coin tokens might work if it's 2 for 1 like this, but I don't like the top.

Pawnbroker
Types: Action
Cost: $3+
Take a Coin token. You may trash a card from your hand. If you do, take a Coin token per $2 in its cost, rounded down.
When you buy this, you may overpay for it. If you do, the player to your left chooses a card in the Supply costing exactly $2 more than the amount you overpaid. Gain it.

I kinda like the top.  As for the overpay effect, I don't like the idea of someone else choosing the card you gain, but then it would work nicely if you paid $9 for the pawnbroker (as long as there's no peddlers).

Porter
Types: Action
Cost: $2+
+1 Card. +1 Action. You may put any number of cards from your hand on top of your deck.
When you buy this, you may overpay for it. For each $1 you overpaid, set aside the top card of your deck, putting it into your hand at the start of your next turn.

The top seems a little weak, and the overpay effect seems a little overpowered.  Maybe it balances out.  I'm inclined to like it, but I want to playtest it to see how well it works. I'll vote for it in the first round anyway.

Tiller
Types: Action
Cost: $4
+1 Action. Reveal the top card of your deck. You may pay a Coin token. If you do, put the card into yoru hand. Otherwise discard it and take a Coin token.

As-is, I might be good at $2.  But I would suggest removing the 'pay a coin token' part and just say "You may put the card into your hand. Otherwise discard it and take a coin token."  Then I'd like it better and it might be good at $3.

Demagogue
Types: Action
Cost: $4+
You may discard a Treasure. If you do, +2 Cards and +2 Actions.
When you buy this, you may overpay for it. Each other player reveals 2 cards from his deck per $1 you overpaid, puts the revealed Coppers back, and discards the rest.

I think the overpay effect would work better either on a cheaper card or as part of the top (probably revealing 3 cards).  Also, I think it'd work better if the attack was "discard all revealed cards costing more than $2 and put the rest back.  I'd suggest moving the attack to the top and making it cost $5. Of course then it doesn't fit well in guilds, but I think it'd be a better card.

Bookkeeper
Types: Action
Cost: $3
+1 Card. +1 Action. At the start of your Buy phase, you may pay $2. If you do, take a Coin token.

Would be good for when you have lots of coin but no +Buy. Otherwise, not very useful.  Would probably work at $2 cost.

Housekeeper
Types: Action
Cost: $2+
Trash a card from your hand. Take a Coin token.
When you buy this, you may overpay for it. If you do, at the start of Clean-up, trash a card from your hand or from play per $1 you overpaid.

hmmm, trashing card(s) from play at the end of a turn is nice.  I think Mint may be the only official card that does that (and it does it very differently).  This should probably say "you may trash a card..." in the overpay effect.  nice and simple, I like it.

Sculptor
Types: Action
Cost: $5
+1 Action. You may discard 2 cards. If you do, name 2 cards and reveal the top 3 cards of your deck. For each revealed card you named, take a Coin token and put that card on your deck. Discard the rest.

Interesting. I like it, but I think it'd be better at $4 cost.

Tavern
Types: Action
Cost: $4
+1 Action. +$2. Trash a card from your hand. Pay a Coin token. If you have no Coin tokens, gain a Curse. If you gained a Curse, take 3 Coin tokens.

It needs rewording as eHalcyon said.  I like the tradeoff of the effect when you have no coin tokens, but I don't like that it makes you pay a coin token in exchange for nothing.  But then it gives you a total of +5 buying power if you don't have coin tokens, so maybe it's worth it.

Potter
Types: Action
Cost: $4+
Take 2 Coin tokens. You may pay up to 5 Coin tokens. For each Coin token you paid beyond the first, gain a card costing up to $4.
When you buy this, you may overpay for it. If you do, take a Coin token, then play this.

I kindof like the top, but the overpay effect is overpowered.

Other cards I like that I don't have much to say about: Taskmaster, Barber, Builder.
Cards I kindof like but probably not enough to vote for: Pawnbroker, Councilman, Demagogue, Town Hall, Bookkeeper, Bribe, Tavern, Potter (I only like it without the overpay effect).

1860

Variants and Fan Cards / Trying out some fan-made cards (Investment and Voyage) with tweaks

« on: December 19, 2013, 01:35:57 am »

So after looking at the contests that have been going on, I added a bunch of fan-made cards to a list of cards I plan to use with proxies a lot of times when I play.  I thought I'd give some testing feedback to the authors of the cards.  So in the past couple days, I played three games using the cards Investment (by LastFootnote) and Voyage (by markusin).  I ended up modding both of the cards from their original forms in ways that I think makes an improvement.

Investment: The first game I played with just myself using three characters (I choose a strategy and a little personality for each player and play in-character).  The investment card was a dead card the first couple times it was drawn because it was either drawn as the only action in a hand, or just drawn without an action I wanted to invest.  So, when I played with two real players in the second two games, I added a +$1 at the top, so it would do something on the turn that you play it (even if you play it without another action in hand).  I think that was the only tweak I made:

Investment
$5 cost  Action
+1$. You may choose an Action card from your hand. Set aside this and the chosen card (face up). Return them to your deck at end of game. When you play an Action card, +$1 per copy of it you have invested.

It worked very well in the two games we played with it, fun and useful but not overpowered.  Of course, it works best with a cheap cantrip (or village), like wishing well.  In the game I invested in wishing wells, pawns were the only source of +Buy on the board, but I had a couple big turns playing 3 or 4 wishing wells and then a pawn.  Anyway, we liked the card.

Voyage: There was originally a weird part at the bottom of the card which would run out the pile of Voyages really fast.  I knew I wouldn't like that part, so I dropped it. Then, in the first game with myself, it was slightly disappointing with the same problem investment had at first -that it usually didn't do anything on the turn it was played, even though it was nice for the next turn.  So here's the version we used in the second two games:

Voyage
$5 cost  Action-Duration
Reveal cards from the top of your deck until you reveal 3 costing from $3 to $6. Put those cards on top of your deck in any order. You may put one revealed card costing less than $3 into your hand. Discard the rest. At the start of your next turn, +2 Cards.

It seems a minor change to allow the player to keep one of the revealed cheap cards in hand and it makes the card do something helpful for the turn it's played (even when you don't have extra actions to draw the cards you just put on top).  This also worked well in the games we played.
Both cards were put to good use.

So... I was thinking about continuing to do this kind of post when I play with cards designed by the community here.  Is posting this feedback helpful?  Do you think anyone might be offended when I make tweaks to their card when I use it?

1861

Game Reports / fun win against a Gardener

« on: December 16, 2013, 09:34:30 pm »

Don't think it quite qualifies as epic, but this was a fun win.  I got a witch just before I realized my opponent was going for a Workshop-Gardens strategy (which he went all-out till the end).  So I played the witch sparingly and other times dicarded it with my cellars, trying to get a few quick provinces, and it totally worked.
He lost by two points when he had two curses and "curses!" was his final comment

http://dom.retrobox.eu/?/20131216/log.516e0e73e4b082c74d7d10c1.1387246630625.txt
kingdom cards: Cellar, Chancellor, Woodcutter, Workshop, Feast, Gardens, Laboratory, Market, Witch, Adventurer

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Variants and Fan Cards / Re: Revised versions of published cards

« on: December 15, 2013, 05:21:27 pm »

Lookout
Action
Cost $3
Look at top 3 deck cards, discard one, topdeck one, and either discard, topdeck, or trash the third. If you trash a card, +1 action.

(This is my casual wording. I guess you probablly wouldn't use the verb "topdeck" in an official wording, but this makes it shorter.)

1863

Goko Dominion Online / Re: F.DS room on (public) Goko - Outpost?

« on: December 13, 2013, 04:06:35 am »

I didn't realize until seeing this thread that there are rooms below the laboratory on the list.  In my experience, other players on Goko beat me most of the time, so maybe the Outpost wouldn't be the place for me to look for games anyway.  Would be really nice to have rooms separated by skill level though.

1864

Dominion General Discussion / Re: Donald X on Rebuild

« on: December 12, 2013, 12:52:51 am »

Fixing Rebuild could involve making it less powerful, but it could also involve making it more interesting. You'll notice from the histories that he tends to redesign rather than rebalance.

Rebuild, by rights, should be an interesting cards, but it was solved. Tinkering with cost or action may address the undue influence it has on the game, but it doesn't impact that the card itself is solved. I think the proper way to fix Rebuild is to make it less trivial to play it correctly.

LastFootnote's point is a good one: As long as all your $5-hands have to go to Duchies and not $5-actions, your deck will be boring. Making Rebuild itself cost $6 or $3P doesn't address this problem. I'm not sure that return-to-supply fixes this either.

I think the only way to fix this issue is to let Rebuild "skip" Duchy somehow in the progression from Estate to Province. Like, I dunno, by using some sort of token or mat to less you "store up" plays of Rebuild, and then two plays of Rebuild could take one Estate directly to a Province. Or something.

Interesting idea.  Here's an easy way you could avoid using a token or mat:

Rebuild  cost $6  action  (It probably should still cost 6 with this change...)
+1 action
Choose one:
-Trash a victory card and gain an action or treasure costing up to $3 more than the trashed card.
- or Trash an action or treasure and gain a victory card costing up to $3 more than the trashed card.

Or... One of Rebuild's biggest strengths is that it lets you look through your deck for a card to rebuild.  You could simply remove that ability and have to have something in your hand to rebuild.  That's more nerfing the card than making it more interesting though.

Re: potion costs: To me potions costs are more thematic than just making it less easily accessable.  Familiars, golems, etc are magical things, so you need something more than ordinary treasure to get them.  I don't think it would fit with rebuild.

1865

Help! / Re: I suck (Goons game)

« on: December 11, 2013, 03:02:43 pm »

Thanks all.  It looks to me like my main mistakes were:
- Thinking that buying coppers with goons was a good use of goons.
- Thinking that I needed to have some green in my deck to supplement the VP from goons (when it wasn't even the end of the game), and therefore needed the silver and gold to buy green.
Also, I thought topdecking goons with scheme would be a good way to play my goons more often.

PS: @Polk5440, you were looking at my opponents deck.  I didn't have any smithies.
I have a probably-unhealthy aversion to smithies since it seems like half the time you get a smithy as the only action in your hand and then draw your villages dead.  Getting one smithy would probably have been good for me.

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Dominion General Discussion / Re: Donald X on Rebuild

« on: December 11, 2013, 03:05:27 am »

I just houseruled Rebuild to cost $6, and I think it works better.  It's still good, but it's harder to build your whole strategy around the one card that way.

1867

Help! / I suck (Goons game)

« on: December 11, 2013, 12:56:40 am »

I mentioned elsewhere on the forum that I suck, so people suggested I post here so maybe people can help me get better.

Here's the game I just finished:
http://dom.retrobox.eu/?/20131210/log.50ce7267e4b0e91495e0f8a2.1386740577931.txt

Kingdom cards: Embargo, Menagerie, Scheme, Village, Fortress, Remodel, Smithy, Explorer, Mine, Goons.
Not sure what else to say about it except I'm not sure how I could've done better.  Seems like I got a lot of bad shuffle luck to me.

1868

Goko Dominion Online / Re: Goko ranking

« on: December 10, 2013, 07:30:14 pm »

I don't normally save the gamelogs.  I guess that would be the first step.
I also prefer playing casual games*, so I guess the leaderboard isn't going to matter much to me anyway.
I am also a little better than I was when I started playing on Goko, but it's hard to raise my rating.

*Partly because people who play pro generally tend to be better than casual players, and partly because I like to be able to make sure none of the few cards I really hate are in the game.

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Goko Dominion Online / Re: Goko ranking

« on: December 10, 2013, 01:33:27 am »

Here is a leaderboard based on Trueskill, like iso:

http://gokologs.drunkensailor.org/leaderboard

There are other nifty things like logsearch, you can see the links at the top of the page.

I just looked at this leaderboard for the first time, but I'm confused because I've played in the last month and definitely have more than 20 games, but I'm not on there at all.  Does it only count pro games?  I might not have 20 pro games yet.

EDIT: I've gotten my answer to this question from another thread (even just the name of the thread).  I might help to look before I ask...

Just as well, if I was on there, I'd be very near the bottom anyway.  I just kinda hoped maybe that leaderboard would rate me higher than Goko does...
I love this game, but I suck compared to most of the people on Goko.

1870

Variants and Fan Cards / Re: Hired Flavor - a new pile

« on: December 06, 2013, 12:44:41 am »

The idea and the artwork are cool, and I don't think they're too strong at all.  I was actually thinking some of them at least would be better valued at cost $5 (but of course you probably want them all at the same cost).  There are already some kinda brutal attacks in the game*, and the base effect of these is almost equivelent to the courtyard (cost $2: +3 cards and put one back -except these say discard one instead of put one back). 

I think it'd be better to make 10 individual ones than have 2 copies of some and others be unique.  Maybe a hired informant, hired armsmaster, hired guard, etc.  (yeah, I know, the card name is the easy part...)

*The most similar ones are probably the rogue and torturer and they're both $5.

1871

Variants and Fan Cards / Re: Playing certain potion cards without potions

« on: December 03, 2013, 08:33:30 pm »

Personally, I hate king's court and never play with it.  (I don't have the prosperity expansion yet anyway (I got Seaside first), and on Goko I usually only play casual games.)  So, if you're saying that Golem is almost as good as king's court, then maybe Golem should be weakened in order to give it a reasonable price.  Then I thought, what if you had to discard a curse whenever you play it instead of when you buy it?  How about this:

Golem
You may discard a curse.  If you do, reveal cards from your deck until you reveal two Action cards other than Golem Cards.  Otherwise, reveal cards from your deck until you reveal one Action card other than a Golem Card.  Discard the other cards, then play the Action card(s) in either order.
and maybe: When you gain this, gain a curse.
Then maybe I could price it at $4, or should it still be $5?

1872

Variants and Fan Cards / Playing certain potion cards without potions

« on: December 03, 2013, 02:45:20 am »

I don't like having potions as a treasure card, and I don't really care for the majority of the alchemy expansion cards, but I wanted to mod these two cards that so that I could use them without potions:

I just made the University cost $6.

Golem  cost $5 and added this clause: You may only buy this if you discard a curse from your hand. (I thought it was appropriate to have to have something special in order to buy a golem, and this makes a minor use for having a curse without nullifying its penalty)

Do you think this is balanced?

1873

Variants and Fan Cards / Re: Feedback Wanted: The Anti-Vault

« on: November 29, 2013, 02:45:52 pm »

Personally, I like this version:

Types: Action
Cost: $5
Reveal then discard any number of Victory cards. +$1 per card discarded. Draw until you have 5 cards in hand.

1874

Variants and Fan Cards / Re: New Dominion Cards by... Me!!!! :D

« on: November 29, 2013, 02:36:03 pm »

@florrat
You know what?  I think you're right about both cards.

I've had fun with Council Room, but I've also liked it when my opponent played Council Rooms.  Having my opponent (a bot in the game I'm thinking of) play council room turned a crappy hand into a pretty good one a few times.  So yeah, making Diplomat-Smithy cost $3 (along with adding the 'all other players including you' bit) should make it fine.

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Variants and Fan Cards / Re: New Dominion Cards by... Me!!!! :D

« on: November 28, 2013, 01:01:27 am »

I really like engineer, sweeper (at $4 of course), and street market, and I agree Avalanche's niche is small enough for it to cost $2.

Here's my suggestion for Iron-Processor:
Iron-Processor (Action, Cost:3)

+2 Cards

Discard a card. If it's an... Action card, +1 Action... Treasure card, +(2) Coin... Victory card, +1 Card.

As it was, the only way discarding a treasure could be a gain would be if you had a potion you had no use for anymore, or maybe a bank when all your coin is from action cards.  But this way you could effectively turn a copper into a silver for that turn.


Here's my suggestion for Diplomat-Smithy:
Diplomat (Action, Cost:2)

+2 Cards

The player to your left may draw a card. If he does, all other players do as well (including you).

That removes (most of) the politics from it.
The rest of them don't look as interesting to me, but engineer is probably one of my favorite fan-made cards that I've seen.