If you just mean that I'm focussing on Simon, well I'd much rather lynch Simon than Silver or myself, which shouldn't surprise anyone.
And yes, the vote on faust is indeed useless.
He reads as scum to me and he hasd as many votes as anyone who isn't me once I voted.
And yes, the vote on faust is indeed useless.
You also wouldn't necessarily mind being counter-claimed, at least not if the PR to counterclaim you is the cop.
So I get now that this is talking about fakeclaims. It is totally disingenius because of course scum knows that there are only 3 possible setups.
This is rather rubbish. Phyphors sentence was cryptic and they seem to continue wanting to be pretty enigmatig in their style. That's fine but to accuse someone being scum for misunderstanding there is really farfetched.
The point is that it's more pro-town to just claim, expecting everyone debating voting you to immediately deduce everything is dangerous for the town win condition, meanwhile there is a 100% chance scum will figure that out over the night. You have everything to lose and nothing to gain by being cagey about this stuff.
It definitely fits its playstyle though.
I will go to bed. Will be back before deadline, but not for a while.
The way I see it, there is exactly one way, and that is that you are a Tracker, so if you are, please cut the cryptic nonsense and claim it, and if you aren't, explain yourself.
In theory, were I lying, either a Town tracker, or Town Neopolitan would be able to know that for definite - which is 4/9 of the available set-ups (just under half, but still bad odds to make a bad claim).A1 has a Neapolitan and a Roleblocker.
It means that Neapolitan never occurs with Tracker, so it's a valid counterclaim.
Here is a probability argument: For scum in phyphor's situation, it is probably good to fakeclaim. So say scum!phyphor fakeclaims 50% of the time. If phyphor is town, then the probability of it actually having a PR is just under 2/7 (or 2/6 if you yourself have no PR, or 1/6 if you do). So actually phyphor claiming increases the chance of it being scum.
Ah, right... sorry. Still it makes zero sense for phyphor to not claim its role.
This makes things awkward for me because, having re-read the thread (and added a signature now, as requested), you are one of the players that made me suspicious.
Eh, so what? That doesn't make you scummier.
Ok so we're not going to lynch a player who claimed, so how about we go back to simon?
OK, I'm not sure how to weigh my fairly strong scumread on you against the potential utility of a Tracker. It'd be nice if the vets could weigh in at this point.
I am saying that, as I understand it, it's not possible for there to be a Mafia Roleblocker.
- If you have a power role, be very cautious about claiming it. If you're about to be lynched (and I mean intent to hammer, not a couple votes and feeling generally depressed and fatalistic), if you have a guilty result on someone as cop or tracker, if scum just claimed your role or your role makes their claim impossible, if someone you have an innocent result on is about to be lynched, or when it's the last day and it's Lynch or Lose (LyLo), then claim. Not before.
Are you claiming something? I honestly can't parse the first sentence.
I also disagree with everything mcmc is saying. phyphor is the player that I want to lynch the least second to myself
actual content.
The fact that they are now going to take some time (we are running out) and consider what everyone has said makes me think it will be more responding to current posts and not actual reads or a case. Pending more information I am happy with this vote.
read our game from the start and give us your impressions.
So I think uncleeurope’s misread of phyphor post it stupid but 100% believable.
Fair
phyphor: why are you town?
It would be interesting and helpful, I think, if you coul read our game from the start and give us your impressions. Fresh eyes can help see new things.
(Pronoun issue: I think I'm going with a general they/them for almost everyone unless the player is well known by me since before. Hope that is ok with everyone.)
Phy seems aggressive and not helpful.
Here again is a proponent of the silly idea that D1s are pointless it seems. They are not. They are only if everyone is lazy and fails to do anything like you did. We have a good deal of content already. You might not necessarily find scum D1, but it is very common to have a bunch of solid townreads by the end of D1 if played correctly.Phypor/muenstercheese have done absolutely nothing towny in their two posts.
What, precisely, would you like me to do on D1?
Why exactly do you think uncleeurope is mafia because he evened the votes out by voting for Faust. I strongly disagree that any vote at that time period was more or less likely to get a lynch through and we were not in a deadline scramble situation. So from the outside your reasoning looks flawed, and I would like you to flesh it out.
Ahkay, so you didn't think I was scummy until after you voted for me. Fair enough.
I feel like you are annoyed with us for not coalescing on a decision about who to lynch yet, but it seems to me that we still had a fair amount of time (Wednesday at 5 am, right?) so this is out of tune with the rest of the conversation. The vets don’t seem concerned yet, and I’m following their cue. It’s also unusual considering that two new players just joined and Umbrage has been otherwise engaged.
It also seems like you are annoyed with us generally and your long post seems unnecessarily aggressive. I’ve been a work, though, so that could just be how it strikes me. You’ve offered little and now your chastising us for not asking more and some folks being confused about an early wagon or no lynch statement.
Would you care to share some of your previous experience? And do you have any reads on folks upon rereading other than trying to join a wagon that is not you?
Do you think I am scum, or are you just trying to save yourself with this triangle voting business?
Ah, I’d assumed [it] was a vet because [they]’d played before and started spouting “we have to do this or else no lynch” kind of stuff like he knew what was up. My bad.
In general we want to lynch every day, but whilst Day 1 is a day with little information which makes it hard to do a good lynching if we don't lynch anyone we run the risk of having the Mafia take out the good townies (be it because they're good at Mafia or have had to role-claim to save their skin).
It's unclear if you mean that a no-lynch D1 is good or not. It's very much NOT good to no-lynch here. Sure, due to the little information we have it's likely we are hitting town, but the information the lynch is gathering is key to have a useful D2. Without a lynch we are doomed to repeat D1 only with fewer players left.
Maf will most likely kill out the best/towniest town players by their NK no matter what we do. Scum has not that much influence over our lynch though, which is why it's so important to use, also in D1.
2) it/its
Wait, really? I don't have a problem with that but it strikes me as so unusual that I want to make sure you aren't joking.
Then phy comes in with the goal of not lynching anyone while putting me at vote #3. Super aggressive way to not kill someone. His initial post just struck me as odd, and I get the feeling that would be the case regardless of who he voted for, but I am willing to admit that defensive bias might play into this. I dunno, phy just doesn't sit right with me. And this confusion is ultimately why I went with cube first.
I agree on it (its pronoun choice...sigh) being weird out of the gate and the “it’s gonna be a no lunch” and saying zippo about it’s experience. Super strange to me, but not sure if it’s scummy yet.
Phypor/muenstercheese have done absolutely nothing towny in their two posts.
Vote: Uncleeurope
Partially to save my own back, but also because setting up three of us to share the votes (by switching to Faust) means we are unlikely to lynch on Day 1.
In general we want to lynch every day, but whilst Day 1 is a day with little information which makes it hard to do a good lynching if we don't lynch anyone we run the risk of having the Mafia take out the good townies (be it because they're good at Mafia or have had to role-claim to save their skin).
This is a terrible vote. Phyphor tell me why you think uncleeurooe is scummy.
Another point against silver is his interactions with phyphor/muenstercheese, who I think we all agree have only been scummy in their brief time here.
Actually phyphor is also a newbie.
phyphar replaces muenstercheese, effective immediately. I can’t do a vote count until evening
Welcome Phyphar! Standard questions: Any previous mafia experience, preferred pronouns and most importantly.. are you scum?
