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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM 9: Monster Madness Mafia (Day 1! PM for speccy QT)

« on: October 04, 2013, 01:48:05 pm »

On Voltaire: I'm also fine lynching him for low-rolling. It also struck me as odd that he didn't know the number of scum from the OP, but guessed it correctly. Scum would of course know how many partners they have, but believe that others don't.

On the other hand, people really seem to be jumping the Voltaire wagon now that it's established that we lynch a low-roller. It's not unlikely that scum tries to get Jorbles out of trouble.

My vote stays on Jorbles for now. I might switch to Voltaire later.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM 9: Monster Madness Mafia (Day 1! PM for speccy QT)

« on: October 04, 2013, 11:58:38 am »

Rolling low numbers is factually scummier than rolling high numbers. I too would give most scrutiny to Jorbles, Voltaire and walrus.

I guarantee not all scum will do this, though. It's also a great way to mislynch people. Scum get amazing cred by playing high die rolls, and then they can mislynch the townies who rolled low.

I'd actually assume with a 3-man team (most likely what we're facing, right?), 2ish of them roll high and one of them tries to "sabotage" with low rolls.

Yeah, but we have to be more negative towards low rolls or scum has just an open invitation to not help town out with high rolls at all.

This is a good point.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM 9: Monster Madness Mafia (Day 1! PM for speccy QT)

« on: October 04, 2013, 11:56:37 am »

At this point, D1, I believe rolling low numbers is one of the strongest scumtells we can get. Sure, it may be unlucky town. If so, well, bad luck for us.

The only problem I see is there might be a town PR that somehow profits from storing high numbers... But I doubt that, storing high numbers already gives you 1-shot abilities.

I'm going to vote: Jorbles. Our best shot at this point.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM 9: Monster Madness Mafia (Day 1! PM for speccy QT)

« on: October 04, 2013, 11:49:58 am »

Rolling low numbers is factually scummier than rolling high numbers. I too would give most scrutiny to Jorbles, Voltaire and walrus.

I guarantee not all scum will do this, though. It's also a great way to mislynch people. Scum get amazing cred by playing high die rolls, and then they can mislynch the townies who rolled low.

I'd actually assume with a 3-man team (most likely what we're facing, right?), 2ish of them roll high and one of them tries to "sabotage" with low rolls.

Yes, it's a three man team, see the OP:

Three of your number have betrayed the forces of Good and been recruited by the Mafia. They will work together with the Monsters to try to bring the Town to its knees, but must also fight against them so as not to give themselves away.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM 9: Monster Madness Mafia (Day 1! PM for speccy QT)

« on: October 04, 2013, 09:06:04 am »

All these thoughts heavily depend on how big the threats/rewards from the monsters are, I guess we'll have to see that. Without knowing that, it's hard to answer questions like "is getting the 1-shot cop worth risking to lose against the monster"?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM 9: Monster Madness Mafia (Day 1! PM for speccy QT)

« on: October 04, 2013, 09:03:23 am »

Moving on from number discussion, I've wondered something else: In the case that we already defeated a monster or it's already certain that we won't, do you think it's worth it to roll 3 dice just to store one of them for later purchases?

I also want to propose that the players with the lowest rolls today should roll first D2.

Rolling 3 dice to store the one knowing the other is effectively a discard is literally discarding 4 dice to spend a single stored dice, so no, I'm not seeing that as a wise choice.

I am in favor of requesting the low-rollers to roll first on D2.

Major Town vibe coming from faust.

But if you use your stored dice to purchase powers, you don't need to discard dice from the supply, if I'm reading the rules correctly. I'm seeing this more as discard 2 dice to store a good die for later purchases. As you can only store one die per day, you may never get to buy the special powers if you don't store something every day.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM 9: Monster Madness Mafia (Day 1! PM for speccy QT)

« on: October 04, 2013, 07:44:45 am »

Moving on from number discussion, I've wondered something else: In the case that we already defeated a monster or it's already certain that we won't, do you think it's worth it to roll 3 dice just to store one of them for later purchases?

I also want to propose that the players with the lowest rolls today should roll first D2.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM 9: Monster Madness Mafia (Day 1! PM for speccy QT)

« on: October 04, 2013, 07:18:00 am »

Also, apologies for rekindling the probability discussion, I just got up for the morning and immediately responded to ashersky without realizing there were 2 pages of this type of back and forth.

I cannot be swayed from this position. So, I will assume ashersky cannot be swayed from his in which case we have an impasse and further argument over the probability is time wasted.

See post #162:
If ashersky truly thinks that a 3 dice roll has the exact same odds as a single dice roll of producing a number greater than three (silly on its face), then his comments about "why take a chance on rolling one die" are a direct contradiction to his school of logic.

"Greater than 3" is incorrect.  The whole of the discussion was based on getting exactly 3.

The same argument that shows that 3 dice rolls have higher odds at producing a number greater than three shows that 3 dice rolls have higher odds at producing a, say, 6. (Just replace "greater than 3" with "greater than 5")

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM 9: Monster Madness Mafia (Day 1! PM for speccy QT)

« on: October 04, 2013, 07:09:33 am »

I don't think claiming monster fighting is a good idea. It reveals to scum, above all, which players have roles that can actively hurt them. Monster fighting abilities are weaker than scum fighting abilities, I'd say.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM 9: Monster Madness Mafia (Day 1! PM for speccy QT)

« on: October 03, 2013, 01:12:49 pm »

Play: 6

Here, take some higher numbers.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM 9: Monster Madness Mafia (Day 1! PM for speccy QT)

« on: October 03, 2013, 12:53:47 pm »

I didn't realize we'd have to announce our rolls immediately, I apologize for sucking at reading rules. My results are still pending, but I rolled three dice.

FoS: Eevee. Do NOT announce how many dice you rolled!

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM 9: Monster Madness Mafia (Day 1! PM for speccy QT)

« on: October 03, 2013, 12:52:27 pm »

Ugh, it costs 2 dice from our supply to play a store die? I don't know about you guys, but my supply is so small that I'm beginning to wonder if I'll have any dice left to play by the end of this (assuming I survive that long).

I would guess that there are some means to refill your supply, maybe monster rewards or such.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM 9: Monster Madness Mafia (Day 1! PM for speccy QT)

« on: October 03, 2013, 11:21:29 am »

I have already rolled, no results yet.

And vote: BoxOfDOG. Theorel is right, don't announce what you rolled.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M31: Modern Community (Day 2!)

« on: October 03, 2013, 09:58:51 am »

Vote: Archetype

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM 9: Monster Madness Mafia (Day 1! PM for speccy QT)

« on: October 03, 2013, 08:49:20 am »

Hi all, sorry for being late on this. I'm Spike.

Vote: xeiron. Van Helsing is NOT my friend.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M31: Modern Community (Day 2!)

« on: October 03, 2013, 08:36:43 am »

Ugh.

I have done some research (because I don't know the shows), and some thinking. All of which leads to this:

I am Gloria Pritchett, and I have an Enabled power.

From what I understand, Archetype is Manny and thus my son. Him being my Enabler makes perfect sense. Him being scum makes perfect sense. Do I think it is worth sacrificing my power to lynch scum? Absolutely.

Intent to hammer.

Voltgloss, I'm waiting for you. Should I hammer Archetype?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M31: Modern Community (Day 2!)

« on: October 02, 2013, 10:49:19 am »

Without getting into my "town reads":  yes, Robz is among the list of people I do not think we should lynch today.  That list consists of:

Robz888
chairs
Galzria
Voltaire
sudgy
Walrus
AHoppy
Jorbles

That leaves the following as, in my view, potential lynches for today:

Eevee
mail-mi
Twistedarcher
EFHW
Archetype
Dsell
bocaJ
faust

Do not read anything into the orders of these players.  In each list, players are listed simply in the order they appear in the intro post.

Commenting on this: I can see how most of the players ended up on the "no lynch"-list, which is mostly for their claims. I don't know about sudgy, because even if he's telling the truth, he's just a VT, and I'm not sure how Jorbles earned his place, might be because shraeye voted for him. But I'm fine with not lynching both of them today.

So to the other candidates:

Eevee - So if his claim is correct, he'll switch sides as soon as scum gains the upper hand in this game. This is dangerous, and if we don't lynch him early on, it might be too late. Scum will probably always leave him alive during the night. So he might pose a threat to us. And of course there's still the possibility of him being lying scum.

mail-mi - I don't see much in his posts that says town. His claim is however a really weird one coming from scum. If he's correct, I think it's a super weak town role, so not much harm done in losing him.

Twistedarcher - I don't really remember all that much about him. Probably should do a reread, but I don't know when I'll get to that.

EFHW - I already laid out that I find her scummy, this hasn't changed. I'd be fine with a lynch here.

Archetype - The summary by Voltgloss does paint him scummy. He also jumped the wagon on me without giving reasons, but that might be OMGUS at work here.

Dsell - Did he even post lately? I remember there being some accusations against him, then he just disappeared and town focused on other things. Feels like the shraeye wagon D1.

bocaJ - super lurky, so there's not much to say. His claim, obviously, which prohibits us from investigating him. But I don't think he needs to be lynched today. I would consider this tomorrow, in case our investigative roles don't find scum.

Out of those, my preferred lynches are Eevee, EFHW, Dsell. Not much preference between them. I will vote for whoever seems most likely to be lynched. Vote: EFHW for now. I could also be convinced to vote Archetype or mail-mi.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M31: Modern Community (Day 2!)

« on: October 01, 2013, 09:09:31 pm »

Eh, unvote for now. That didn't exactly work out well.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M31: Modern Community (Day 2!)

« on: October 01, 2013, 02:08:13 pm »

A sudgy lynch is apparently not happening today, so I should reconsider.

I'm fine with mail-mi, actually. Galzria is one of my top town reads and I believe he has a point here.

Vote: mail-mi

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M31: Modern Community (Day 2!)

« on: October 01, 2013, 07:18:07 am »

Well, that escalated quickly...

Although he did just commit the "Yeah, that's scummy, but I'm not scum!" scumtell.

Is there any reasoning as to why this is a scumtell beyond assumed empirical data? I mean, I have done a shraeye interaction reread, and these are the things I looked for, so I can see why people find them scummy.

Aaaaaand vote: Faust. Classic newbie scum tell. "I'll admit it, I look scummy, but I'm not the best!" See KCGM Mafia where I am caught for just that.

You were caught in KCGM for lurking.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M31: Modern Community (Day 2!)

« on: September 30, 2013, 08:50:04 pm »

Uh sorry, I'm stupid.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M31: Modern Community (Day 2!)

« on: September 30, 2013, 08:49:34 pm »

ash, you're vote count shows me as not voting, which is wrong

I don't think so.

Vote Count 2.10:

Walrus (1): AHoppy
Eevee (1): chairs
Dsell (2): Eevee, mail-mi
EFHW (2): Walrus, TA
sudgy (1): faust
Galzria (1): Galzria
Archetype (1): Voltgloss
faust (3): Jorbles, Voltaire, Archetype
TwistedArcher (1): EFHW
chairs (2): bocaJ, Robz

Not Voting (2):sudgy, dsell

With 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

Day 2 ends on October 6th at 9:30 p.m.

Will Dede be at Haley's Party?

Invite Dede (8): Twistedarcher, Archetype, bocaJ, sudgy, chairs, Jorbles, Robz888, mail-mi
Not Invite Dede (4): Walrus, AHoppy, Voltaire, EFHW

Not Voting (5): Eevee, Voltgloss, Galzria, Dsell, Faust

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M31: Modern Community (Day 2!)

« on: September 30, 2013, 08:48:30 pm »

-First to call out shraeye for lurking. (something a scum partner would do both to bus and tell their partner to start being more proactive)
-Though initially expresses suspicion of shraeye eventually decided shraeye was towny, switching his vote to Voltaire (who I have a town read on, plus there's two players backing up Voltaire's town claim (AHoppy and Walrus)). Post 206 does read like he's covering for shraeye.
-Opposed lynching Galzria (not suspicious in and of itself, but not a surprising position if one were a scum player)
-Low post count indicates that he might be a new scum player (he is new) as they often don't post a lot for fear of making a mistake.

Anyhow that's what I see as most suspicious.

Okay, response:

1) Is town calling out on lurkers that unreasonable? I mean, it happened a whole lot D1. But okay, probably me calling out explicitly shraeye for it (did I do that? I can't remember, but I'll just trust your reread) does look somewhat bad.

2) This is not true, I had a slight scum read on shraeye at the end of D1. Also I think it's unfair blaming me for not having a town read early D1 that you have now.

3) Well, that certainly doesn't make me look townie. It kinda weak as justification for a scum read though, as you mention yourself.

4) Again, I don't believe I have a low post count. At least D1, I was often in the top half of posters I think. Maybe someone can do a post count now to back this up, I think Walrus has some tool for it?

So what remains in my eyes is that I called out shraeye for lurking and that I opposed lynching Galzria. I can understand if that gives you a slight scum read on me, but making me your favorite lynch?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M31: Modern Community (Day 2!)

« on: September 30, 2013, 08:37:01 pm »

Uh, sorry Jorbles, I overlooked your post in my earlier post. I'll adress it right away.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M31: Modern Community (Day 2!)

« on: September 30, 2013, 08:30:18 pm »

And vote: not invite because do people get a secondary win for that? My secondary wincon is so much harder. That's just no fair.