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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« on: August 26, 2021, 04:03:46 am »
Exiling e in every game is not obviously a bad idea. It's possible that he's scum in every game.
If we have 3 scum, we can have all scum and 3 townies opposed to a Didds exile and it can still go through as long as everyone else is on board.
You're trying really hard to hold on to those minuscule-likelihood scenarios aren't you?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« on: August 26, 2021, 03:56:05 am »
Good thing the IC doesn’t dictate who we exile. It’s crazy, but it’s almost like they have less knowledge than literally anybody in the game.
I for example have the knowledge that it's almost impossible to get a town-controlled wagon on Didds to succeed if MiX and me oppose it. Which means the only way a Didds exile is going to happen is because scum wants it to happen.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« on: August 26, 2021, 03:50:24 am »
Vote: Galzria

I've talked myself into a rage vote.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« on: August 26, 2021, 03:49:18 am »
I mean, at least I am open about thinking no exile being an option. Galzria claims to be opposed to it while doing his best to make sure that's what happens.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« on: August 26, 2021, 03:47:29 am »
I'm really not trying to convince anyone to no exile. It's just that if the choice is exile someone I townread or no exile, then I will choose no exile in this game.

If you want to make sure we get an exile, you could of course join me on a scummy player rather than, like Galzria, leave a pointless vote on a wagon that is never going to succeed because the IC (rightly) opposes it.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« on: August 26, 2021, 03:30:53 am »
Exchanges like these make me wonder if I'm too charitable with Awaclus.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« on: August 26, 2021, 02:47:35 am »
Nexile is objectively bad. Even though people have night powers, it's reasonable to expect that scum has more powerful night powers because otherwise the game would be heavily town-favored. And so, ideally, we want to minimize the number of nights we have.
That argument is taking a couple of leaps. The game would not be town-favored just because town have "better" powers. There could be more scum to make up for it. In fact, the scum-to-town ratio in RMMs is usually higher specifically because town's powers are better than in a normal game compared to scum's. So you can stop making claims about "objectivity".

Then why don't we just automatically nexile every day and win with our superior night powers instead?
I guess it's within flavor to put up a strawman?

If nexiling every day is obviously a bad idea (which it is), then it seems equally obvious that nexiling is bad in general.
If exiling e in every game is obviously a bad idea (which it is), then it seems equally obvious that exiling e is bad in general.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« on: August 26, 2021, 02:41:38 am »
Nexile is objectively bad. Even though people have night powers, it's reasonable to expect that scum has more powerful night powers because otherwise the game would be heavily town-favored. And so, ideally, we want to minimize the number of nights we have.
That argument is taking a couple of leaps. The game would not be town-favored just because town have "better" powers. There could be more scum to make up for it. In fact, the scum-to-town ratio in RMMs is usually higher specifically because town's powers are better than in a normal game compared to scum's. So you can stop making claims about "objectivity".

Then why don't we just automatically nexile every day and win with our superior night powers instead?
I guess it's within flavor to put up a strawman?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« on: August 26, 2021, 02:22:12 am »
Nexile is objectively bad. Even though people have night powers, it's reasonable to expect that scum has more powerful night powers because otherwise the game would be heavily town-favored. And so, ideally, we want to minimize the number of nights we have.
That argument is taking a couple of leaps. The game would not be town-favored just because town have "better" powers. There could be more scum to make up for it. In fact, the scum-to-town ratio in RMMs is usually higher specifically because town's powers are better than in a normal game compared to scum's. So you can stop making claims about "objectivity".

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« on: August 26, 2021, 01:23:06 am »
Hey faust - wanna share why you find my skummy yet?
I'm contemplating it.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« on: August 26, 2021, 12:52:26 am »
This shouldn’t be a choice between Glooble and me. Good gravy, people. Quit doing the scum work for them.
It's reasonably likely that actual scum are doing some of that work.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« on: August 26, 2021, 12:50:56 am »
I'm getting a gut feel that faust is scum, and there's connections between him and both Awaclus and Glooble, so keep an eye, possibly on 2 or all 3 of those.
What is this vague conspiracy talk?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« on: August 26, 2021, 12:48:25 am »
I will accept no exile before I vote for either Didds or Glooble.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« on: August 26, 2021, 12:47:06 am »
Chiming back in on the reasons discussion, naked votes are much less helpful to town than votes with reasons. I know Awaclus disagrees, but how many times do his votes inspire follow up votes from other players? And why is his method so annoying to many of us? If you want the wagon to go through, you really do need to give reasons. faust tends to do naked votes for reactions, so maybe that was the case here. But scum would also do them to see what flies.
I don't do naked votes "for reactions". I usually vote for who I think is scum. If Awaclus inspires follow-up votes less often than others (which I am not even sure is the case), then that is not necessarily because he doesn't give reasons. I know of a couple of times where I voted without giving reasons and that inspired follow-up votes.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« on: August 25, 2021, 04:02:16 pm »
Faust has 9 posts on the topic, amounting to 326 words and 1870 characters.
Can you tell me which posts these are supposed to be?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« on: August 25, 2021, 03:00:23 pm »
I'll take this time to chime in on the Didds wagon: Didds is town. Move on.
Preferably to Swowl.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« on: August 25, 2021, 01:40:32 pm »
Third point.... I am not mischaracterizing Globble's position. How much he was responsible for the extended discussion of massclaiming, on teh other hand, is arguable and a difference in perception.  He does get some credit for recognizing that it needed to end, but it still sucked up most of yesterday. I was particularly frustrated by it, but that is just me.
This is not a fair characterization. Glooble and I having a conversation does not prevent anyone from talking about other stuff. If nothing else got discussed on that day, that is on everyone, not just on Glooble and me.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« on: August 25, 2021, 01:31:03 pm »
What? These two posts are contradictory; you're not allowed to agree with both!

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« on: August 25, 2021, 07:05:17 am »
Other than saying we haven't had a proper wagon this game and it would sure be nice to have one before the Day ends.

That's not true though. We have had a wagon on e. I'm not sure how many people were voting for him and I can't check right now but I'm pretty sure it was like at least 3-4.
You are right that that many people have voted for e in total, but as far as I can tell from skimming, it was never more than 2 at the same time, so I wouldn't count that as a wagon.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« on: August 25, 2021, 07:00:29 am »
we haven't had a proper wagon this game and it would sure be nice to have one before the Day ends.

We can make a wagon. Would you rather we build it on Awaclus, e, or you?
I mean, out of these options... Awaclus. But we don't need to restrict ourselves to this bad pool.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« on: August 25, 2021, 06:36:02 am »
That was not the right interpretation. "Reasons?" is much more likely to mean "Reasons please?" which is asking for said reasons, not asking if they exist.

Also, what reasons do you have to want a Swowl wagon?
I have to say you talk less like an Innocent Child and more like an Innocent Boomer.

Here, I'll spell it out for you: I don't want to share my reasons right now. Other than saying we haven't had a proper wagon this game and it would sure be nice to have one before the Day ends.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« on: August 25, 2021, 06:28:34 am »
Can we now have a Swowl wagon please?

Reasons?
Yes!

It wasn't a yes or no question.
It is with the right interpretation. It's just one word, after all. I chose to read it as "Do you have reasons?"

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« on: August 25, 2021, 06:26:20 am »

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« on: August 25, 2021, 04:56:45 am »
Can we now have a Swowl wagon please?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM60: Wizard of Oz Mafia
« on: August 25, 2021, 04:55:45 am »
I don't think it's outrageous to say it's alignment indicative.

It's obviously not alignment indicative, I'm town most of the time when people say that.
That's not a good argument though, if something happens in the majority of your town games but all of your scum games then it's still alignment indicative.

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