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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M136: Mouse Mafia (Day 1)
« on: December 02, 2021, 12:51:39 am »
You may want to lay out the whole plan before encouraging any claims.
But why would I do that?

Because you need to convince people the plan is worthwhile and it's hard to do that if no one knows what it is?
Because we have no reason to believe you are advocating a claim for townie reasons?
It's really not too hard to figure out why one would want the claims I think. I believe in your ability to make up your own mind, or at least pretend to.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M136: Mouse Mafia (Day 1)
« on: December 01, 2021, 02:56:47 pm »
You may want to lay out the whole plan before encouraging any claims.
But why would I do that?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M136: Mouse Mafia (Day 1)
« on: December 01, 2021, 02:55:49 pm »
I would also like to point out that figuring out someone is a Drunk is probably not something we want to happen at XyLo.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M136: Mouse Mafia (Day 1)
« on: December 01, 2021, 02:54:13 pm »
I'm not convinced it make sense for the Mayor / Drunks to reveal themselves (at least on D1). I mean selfishly, sure, as it helps me try to solve the game. But my guess is we are better off not revealing these PRs to scum so early.
Did you also want to make an argument?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M136: Mouse Mafia (Day 1)
« on: December 01, 2021, 11:14:42 am »
Actually all of them need to claim, otherwise this won't work.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M136: Mouse Mafia (Day 1)
« on: December 01, 2021, 11:12:54 am »
Right, so.

It's probably good to make an IC, right?

So we need a Mayor/Drunk to claim please.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M136: Mouse Mafia (Night 0)
« on: December 01, 2021, 09:25:58 am »
Some speculation on scum composition... surely there would have to be at least 3? 2 in 11 might be roughly balanced in an all-vanilla game, but I doubt that mathdude is messing with us in that way.

That means that probably they have a Kingpin as a nerf.
Why does faust always say what I'm thinking (but clearer than I would have said it)?

Strongest 2-person scum team would be rolecop + roleblocker. If they had that could they do night kill as well as both cop and block?
It's worth noting that both those PRs are only as good as the town PRs they target. A setup where scum has Rolecops/Roleblockers can never be better for scum than a full vanilla game.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M136: Mouse Mafia (Night 0)
« on: December 01, 2021, 09:24:18 am »
8 town vs 3 scum is balanced, it's 3 exiles for either team. I don't think scum needs to have kingpin. But it's a pretty creative role, I would be surprised if math wasn't tempted to put it in :P
There's also town nerfs (drunk) that might balance things if there's only 2 scum.
Hm maybe, but I don't think you'd want to put more than one drunk in a setup. That could leave town unable to secure an exile as early as D3.

And a single drunk isn't really much of a nerf.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M136: Mouse Mafia (Day 1)
« on: December 01, 2021, 09:19:24 am »
Oooh, literally.

So, does anyone else think scola's reaction to my vote is more scum indicative than not?
I mean, I voted for the guy, what else do you need to know?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M136: Mouse Mafia (Day 1)
« on: December 01, 2021, 09:18:53 am »
Joth is awesome. He’s a word guy. And gkrieg! Gkrieg is awesome, too! He’s an OG, and knows the ancient fds lore along with faust.
joth is really more of an OG than either gkrieg or me.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M136: Mouse Mafia (Night 0)
« on: December 01, 2021, 02:16:38 am »
Some speculation on scum composition... surely there would have to be at least 3? 2 in 11 might be roughly balanced in an all-vanilla game, but I doubt that mathdude is messing with us in that way.

That means that probably they have a Kingpin as a nerf.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M136: Mouse Mafia (Night 0)
« on: December 01, 2021, 02:08:23 am »
Vote: scolapasta

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M136: Mouse Mafia (Night 0)
« on: December 01, 2021, 02:07:21 am »
Friendly reminder that L-1 is hammer in this setup.
Technically, it is possible that L-(L/2) is hammer.
also these should be Xs

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M136: Mouse Mafia (Night 0)
« on: December 01, 2021, 02:06:24 am »
Friendly reminder that L-1 is hammer in this setup.
Technically, it is possible that L-(L/2) is hammer.

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Non-Mafia Game Threads / Re: The Necro Wars
« on: November 27, 2021, 01:03:47 am »
arguably lowering the voting age to 0 is giving extra votes to parents
I don't think that's fair though. I think children are pretty likely to vote differently from their parents, though it's hard to find data either way. I have on cursory glance not found anything that distinguishes between younger and older children.

I think coercion to vote is already a crime, obviously that should extend to parents. If that's the case, then children make their vote freely. Obviously they are influenced by their surrounding (i.e. their parents), but who isn't? If that is a concern, then there's no reason for stopping at children; you might as well argue that there should be just 1 vote per household.

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Non-Mafia Game Threads / Re: The Necro Wars
« on: November 26, 2021, 05:20:01 pm »
Adults with children, especially with a lot of children, are more likely to have a lower IQ and a lower level of education than adults with few or no children. This, of course, doesn't mean they vote worse, it just means they vote stupidly, which I can't use as an argument because I don't believe stupid votes are a problem. But it certainly makes it less likely that they would be some of those truly exceptional geniuses who can actually make good decisions for other people. However, what I can use as an argument is that adults with a ton of children are more likely to be members of certain religious groups that oppose contraception, which creates ideological bias in the voting pool and therefore worse votes.
This line of thinking is really no different from Republican attempts to suppress the vote of people of color. "We don't like how group XY votes, so let's exclude them from the vote as much as we can."

Any solid democratic system needs to be independent from the concrete social situation as that is always subject to change. This is essentially a "veil of ignorance" argument; you want to design the system without any knowledge how what any particular group's biases will be.

It is very different from Republican attempts to suppress the POC vote. Namely, they're removing people from the voting pool in order to create bias, I'm preventing extra votes in order to avoid bias. I do think people with lots of children should still be allowed to have one vote like everyone else.
All that is different there is their initial state, which shouldn't matter. Or are you saying that if PoC people weren't allowed to vote, it would be fine to keep it that way?

No, but I am saying that back when PoC weren't allowed to vote, I would have opposed giving slave owners extra votes.
Alright I guess, though I am not sure what that has to do with anything; noone proposed giving anyone "extra" votes.

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Non-Mafia Game Threads / Re: The Necro Wars
« on: November 26, 2021, 12:30:18 pm »
Adults with children, especially with a lot of children, are more likely to have a lower IQ and a lower level of education than adults with few or no children. This, of course, doesn't mean they vote worse, it just means they vote stupidly, which I can't use as an argument because I don't believe stupid votes are a problem. But it certainly makes it less likely that they would be some of those truly exceptional geniuses who can actually make good decisions for other people. However, what I can use as an argument is that adults with a ton of children are more likely to be members of certain religious groups that oppose contraception, which creates ideological bias in the voting pool and therefore worse votes.
This line of thinking is really no different from Republican attempts to suppress the vote of people of color. "We don't like how group XY votes, so let's exclude them from the vote as much as we can."

Any solid democratic system needs to be independent from the concrete social situation as that is always subject to change. This is essentially a "veil of ignorance" argument; you want to design the system without any knowledge how what any particular group's biases will be.

It is very different from Republican attempts to suppress the POC vote. Namely, they're removing people from the voting pool in order to create bias, I'm preventing extra votes in order to avoid bias. I do think people with lots of children should still be allowed to have one vote like everyone else.
All that is different there is their initial state, which shouldn't matter. Or are you saying that if PoC people weren't allowed to vote, it would be fine to keep it that way?

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Non-Mafia Game Threads / Re: The Necro Wars
« on: November 26, 2021, 07:21:01 am »
Adults with children, especially with a lot of children, are more likely to have a lower IQ and a lower level of education than adults with few or no children. This, of course, doesn't mean they vote worse, it just means they vote stupidly, which I can't use as an argument because I don't believe stupid votes are a problem. But it certainly makes it less likely that they would be some of those truly exceptional geniuses who can actually make good decisions for other people. However, what I can use as an argument is that adults with a ton of children are more likely to be members of certain religious groups that oppose contraception, which creates ideological bias in the voting pool and therefore worse votes.
This line of thinking is really no different from Republican attempts to suppress the vote of people of color. "We don't like how group XY votes, so let's exclude them from the vote as much as we can."

Any solid democratic system needs to be independent from the concrete social situation as that is always subject to change. This is essentially a "veil of ignorance" argument; you want to design the system without any knowledge how what any particular group's biases will be.

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Non-Mafia Game Threads / Re: The Necro Wars
« on: November 24, 2021, 03:36:06 pm »
One of my favorite anti-mainstream policy proposals is "lower the voting age to 0".

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Non-Mafia Game Threads / Re: The Necro Wars
« on: November 23, 2021, 04:57:15 pm »
The relevant post here is Policy Debates should not appear one-sided.
This is a tangent but I find this sort of thing quite disappointing from a supposedly scientifically-minded person:
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Like it or not, there’s a birth lottery for intelligence—though this is one of the cases where the universe’s unfairness is so extreme that many people choose to deny the facts. The experimental evidence for a purely genetic component of 0.6–0.8 is overwhelming, but even if this were to be denied, you don’t choose your parental upbringing or your early schools either.
I can't be sure where the 0.6-0.8 figure comes from since no source is given, but I assume that this refers to heritability, a common statstic in genetics that, for intelligence, tends to fall in that range (the most recent study I found put it at 50%, but that is from 10 years after the publication of this blog entry).

To say that intelligence is strongly determined by genetics because of this stat is misunderstanding what heritability measures. Heritability measures the extent of deviation that cannot be accounted for by external factors. But that is by its nature dependant on the strength of the external factors. In a strongly segregated society, heritability would decrease, because there are more other factors that impact a child's development. The more egalitarian a society becomes, the more you should see an increase in heritability.

This means that you have no grounds to make a statement like "intelligence is determined mostly by a birth lottery". Heritability is not an inherent biological truth, it depends on the society in which we live. I have not seen any studies supporting the argument that biological differences in intelligence will persist no matter how we organize our society.

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Non-Mafia Game Threads / Re: The Necro Wars
« on: November 22, 2021, 03:14:16 pm »
I don't think I get the idea behind arguing with hypotheticals? If they are not sufficiently spcified, just add the remaining details. The point obviously isn't the specific scenario.
My issue is I think that the author attempts to construct scenarios where the only available options are pretty bad, and I assume this is supposed to illustrate that sometimes you need to use policies with serious downsides. But even in those scenarios, there are arguably more options that the author doesn't take into account. If they cannot provide a solid example for a situation where you only have bad options, then the argument that such situations exist pretty much falls apart.

Especially considering that this is more specifically advocating use of violence against others; I don't buy that there are commonplace scenarios where using violence is the best option available.

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Non-Mafia Game Threads / Re: The Necro Wars
« on: November 21, 2021, 03:56:21 pm »
These quotes are all from the same source right?

If an army is crossing the border or a lunatic is coming at you with a knife, the policy alternatives are (a) defend yourself or (b) lie down and die. If you defend yourself, you may have to kill. If you kill someone who could, in another world, have been your friend, that is a tragedy. And it is a tragedy. The other option, lying down and dying, is also a tragedy. Why must there be a non-tragic option? Who says that the best policy available must have no downside? If someone has to die, it may as well be the initiator of force, to discourage future violence and thereby minimize the total sum of death.
This is very reductive. Of course in the face of an invading army you have more than two options. Also if you immediately surrender most likely noone would die (at least not due to the conflict; it may be the intention of the army leaders to inflict harm on your population).

And the second example is "a lunatic comes at you with a knife"... like, is this the same person that wrote
If you try to construe motivations that would make the Enemy look bad, you’ll end up flat wrong about what actually goes on in the Enemy’s mind.
?

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Non-Mafia Game Threads / Re: The Necro Wars
« on: November 20, 2021, 05:10:40 am »
Arguably though, the second review is more helpful than the first, as the first comes from a person who clearly did not watch the show, and contains no information that would not already be available to a potential viewer.

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Other Games / Re: Hollow Knight
« on: November 16, 2021, 11:17:17 am »
Just finished the third coliseum of fools challenge. That was brutal. About 2 straight hours dying to it. And in the end I only beat it by taking a break to go get the Weaversong charm and basically cheesing a few of the later fights with it.
Oh I also just did that on the weekend.

My cheese solution for the final fight was Hiveblood; they can't reach you when you're far enough up on the wall, so you can always regenerate there.

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Non-Mafia Game Threads / Re: The Necro Wars
« on: November 16, 2021, 11:14:50 am »
Apparently this is now where people talk when it's night (/between games).

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