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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M53: Dresden Files Mafia
« on: November 06, 2014, 04:40:41 pm »
save a spot for joseph2302, he was looking for a game and this is a great learner setup.  (not that he has to play this game or anything, but it would be nice if he joined)

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M52: Death Note Mafia (Day 3)
« on: November 06, 2014, 04:38:15 pm »
I would defend myself, but I can't really see anything to defend about that e said...

yeah, I am actually starting to lean in a hydrad/EgorK direction.

you could do the xp/eevee interactions.  That would help your case some.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M52: Death Note Mafia (Day 3)
« on: November 06, 2014, 04:36:57 pm »
edit for that last post:  should have been "even less than sudgy?!?!" who posted 3 times about Eevee, where EgorK had 4 interactions.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M52: Death Note Mafia (Day 3)
« on: November 06, 2014, 04:35:19 pm »
Eevee on hydrad:



hydrad on Eevee:
I still like WW the most out of these options. I don't really have a read on eevee though. Most games he seems really null for me.
His only post with eevee pre-shooting.

actually the more I think about it the less I think WW is town.

why wouldn't eevee or scum members jump onto WW to try to save eevee? they should of been able to easily made WW the biggest wagon. eevee could of even done it out of "self preservation". Maybe they didn't because WW is also scum so they felt like they needed to jump on someone else? But then WW decided to get some town cred at the end of the day by staying on eevee?

hmm its not really adding up. It makes more sense to me if the scum team was a bunch of lurkers that wern't around for the last day or so and didn't have time to save eevee.

I still like XP more though. WW is probably in the top 3 I guess of scum.
Has a very reasonable post about why WW is actually town, then keeps him in top 3 scum.  Talks about what eevee and his partners should have done more than eevee himself. 

Conclusion:

So, uh, even less about eevee than Egork?!?!  I didn't think it would be possible.  Especially since Hydrad has posted 83 times this game so is definitely not a lurker.  Yeah, he could be scum, but would he intentionally avoid eevee like that?  In a lurker game like this it is possible.  So yeah, I am going to keep hydrad in the parenthesis of equality with EgorK, but now I just need to see what is the deal with xp and eevee and whether they should be moved up the ladder actually.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M52: Death Note Mafia (Day 3)
« on: November 06, 2014, 04:24:36 pm »
someone else do xp.  He actually posted some stuff I think.  I will do EgorK now!

Eevee on EgorK:



EgorK on eevee:
So tell me if I worng. We currently has like 3 cases (aside from Axxle):

  • e for hedging and overdefending
  • eevee for jumping easy case and lurking
  • WW case by Teproc

Had I missed anything?
Mentions the case on eevee.  Doesn't talk about it.

Sup. Eevee reread is waranted, through it would not be that long it seems. I am more interested in rereading other people talking about eevee though
Says a reread should happen.  Doesn't do it.

So I halfway through my reread of eevee/reactions to eevee (WW, your signature does not help ;) and just want to note that it was quite a battle between e and eevee. Not sure if it was heavy bussing or town vs scum though
Wait, I lied.  He gets halfway through it.  Calls me v eevee either bussing or town v scum. 

Protip: Search for "Goko username: Eevee" (or whomever).

But I do not want to read just eevee, but talk about him as well
And the technique.  I just use the "goko username: eevee" which is why this is faster for me.

Conclusion:
Uh, so yeah.  Eevee has nothing to say about EgorK.  Talks about eevee a bit.  Rereads eevee a bit (with partial results).  I could see EgorK as scum.  I will have to see what interactions hydrad has before I move him out of the parenthesis of equality though.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M52: Death Note Mafia (Day 3)
« on: November 06, 2014, 04:14:59 pm »
For simplicity, you should be figuring who off the Eevee wagon is the best lynch.  That should have happened yesterday, too, I would say.

Ok, now I have the right quote with the right info.  People off the eevee wagon:

2.71828..... (1): Eevee
Axxle2 (2): sudgy, EgorK
Hydrad (1): Axxle2
Witherweaver (2): Hydrad, XerxesPraelor

best lynch ---->worst lynch
sudgy, xp, (egork, hydrad), Axxle2

I convinced myself about Axxle2 being townie after actually reading him.  Amazing what that does!

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M52: Death Note Mafia (Day 3)
« on: November 06, 2014, 04:10:09 pm »
If people don't know what to do this game : reread whoever you're voting for and look for their interactions with Eevee. Come back with your results, discuss.

i meant to quote that not WW before my posts.  Teproc has good ideas.  lets not shoot him

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M52: Death Note Mafia (Day 3)
« on: November 06, 2014, 04:02:38 pm »
Eevee on sudgy:



Sudgy on Eevee:
I think overdefending is a valid scumtell.  I haven't seen e do it too much, I'll have to re-look at things.
Doesn't specifically mention eevee, just his argument against me.  He is on team-eevee here.

I could probably go for WW or Eevee.  I can see the cases in both of them, but I'm not too excited about it.  I don't really see e.  If I have time, I will reread and such.

Also, I don't see why you guys say overdefending isn't a scumtell.  I myself was caught by it once.
"not really excited" about the case on eevee.  Supports overdefending as a valid scumtell, but seem doesn't think that I overdefended, as he doesn't see me as scum.

Because, I was at "shoot-1" which seems like it would be big enough to merit a comment.

When they aren't actual votes, it makes it less huge...

Sudgy voting Axxle strikes me as odd..

That was an old vote, I thought of maybe switching to Eevee but I still wasn't too sure.

We should do some reads analysis in relation to Eevee.  I would think scum would be perfectly fine bussing with four scum, so I actually think the people who were the strongest on his case are the ones who would be the most scummy.  I don't think all scum did so, but I think at least one did.

Mentions doing reads analysis in relation to eevee here (after eevee has been shot).  He also just throws out there (for the benefit of everyone) that he was considering voting for eevee.  Well, isn't that nice.  He also says we should look on-wagon for scum. 

conclusion:

Eevee did not post anything at all about sudgy.  And sudgy posted barely anything at all about eevee.  Based on these interactions I definitely like voing sudgy more than Axxle2

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M52: Death Note Mafia (Day 3)
« on: November 06, 2014, 03:49:48 pm »
For simplicity, you should be figuring who off the Eevee wagon is the best lynch.  That should have happened yesterday, too, I would say.

Ok.  Axxle2 and Eevee.  Both haven't posted a bunch, so here are all their interactions!

eevee on Axxle2:
The glorious return of Axxle2!
Your friendly neighborhood eevee doing what he does as town or scum.

I see Axxle got my notes from our chat session about flooding the thread as scum to make it unreadable. Nice.
Eevee commenting (in a somewhat negative way with slight "i think you are scum" setup sort of way) on Axxle2's opening posts that were massive quote blocks with jokes and reads and stuff.

As I said, Axxle also seems to be trying too hard for my likening, but I've always found him one of the hardest guys to read, so who knows.
Again, non-committal sort of "I think you are scum" type of post. 

Axxle2 on eevee:
I see Axxle got my notes from our chat session about flooding the thread as scum to make it unreadable. Nice.
:-[

Don't confuse Axxle2 with Axxle though. Axxle2 plays like an Olympic racing shoe: fast and loose.
Axxle2 replying with humor to eevee's mild attack on him.

so, shouldn't we do something to get this game going, in, like, a meaningful way?

I think... uh... I am really towny? that's my only read so far.
Shoot:
XP
e
sudgy
EgorK

Shoot after:
Teproc
Hydrad
Eevee

Don't shoot:
Witherweaver
silverspawn
Eevee makes the "shoot after" list.  But Axxle2 also has WW on the "don't shoot" list, which was correct.

e is over-defending himself like crazy! It's interesting he continues to do it even after people specifically voted him for it, but I don't remember him reacting like this as town before so vote: e if I wasn't already.
Mmmm, not really. He's the biggest wagon and now that people have put out cases and now he can respond to them. I mean I guess he could be searching for scum but that's just a bit more antitown than scummy.
Attacks eevee's case against me.  Even though I was higher on his list of targets.  So defending someone he views as scummy (or at least slightly scummy) against a case that he doesn't like.

e is over-defending himself like crazy! It's interesting he continues to do it even after people specifically voted him for it, but I don't remember him reacting like this as town before so vote: e if I wasn't already.

Policy vote: Eevee

for making the most annoying argument in the world.

I'm also fine with ww, but isn't often that scum gets run up to L-1 but the hammer is hard to produce?
What do you mean? Overdefending yourself is a valid scumtell.
If he had like one vote for him that's overdefensive. But he's almost lynched.
Again, attacking eevee's case against me.

Conclusion:

I think that Axxle2's interactions with eevee could very well come from a scumbuddy.  From putting him on the "shoot after" list to taking the opposite side (kind of?) when it came to voting for me.  At least pointing out that eevee's case was pretty weak.

However, eevee's interaction with Axxle2 don't seem like they are from a scumbuddy.  I just don't see the whole non-committal "throw this out there and see if it sticks" sort of scumread that eevee seemed to give out on Axxle2 to be the type of read that scum would put on their buddy.  Which makes me think that an Axxle2 lynch wouldn't actually be the best thing in the world.

Sudgy came back with an opportunistic vote for Axxle2 with no explanation!  lets go back to vote: sudgy.

unfortunately, now I need to go read his interactions with eevee.....

fortunately that shouldn't be too hard.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M52: Death Note Mafia (Day 3)
« on: November 05, 2014, 05:34:29 pm »
you were already voting.  so no, it doesn'tisn't.  try again


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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M52: Death Note Mafia (Day 3)
« on: November 05, 2014, 05:33:56 pm »
you were already voting.  so no, it doesn't.  try again

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM18 - Guilds Mafia (Day 1)
« on: November 05, 2014, 05:08:55 pm »
we can lynch xp tomorrow. 

vote: silverspawn

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M52: Death Note Mafia (Day 3)
« on: November 05, 2014, 04:29:09 pm »
Vote Count 3.1

Axxle2 (2): 2.71828, Teproc
XerxesPraelor (1): Hydrad
sudgy (2): silverspawn, XerxesPraelor

Not Voting (4): Axxle2, sudgy, EgorK, Witherweaver

Day 3 ends at 2pm FT on November 9th.



nothing has changed here.  That is bad.

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Forum Games / Re: Vacation/Limited Access announcements
« on: November 05, 2014, 04:19:27 pm »
v/la Friday-Tuesday

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM18 - Guilds Mafia (Day 1)
« on: November 05, 2014, 04:15:45 pm »
you won't get me lynched.

Thats very optimistic for someone at L-2

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Vote Count 5.1

ashersky (1): witherweaver
witherweaver (1): ashersky

Not Voting (1): Jimmmmm

With 3 alive, it takes 2 to lynch. The deadline for Day 5 will be Friday, November 14, at 5:00 PM forum time. 

But don't make me give out prods to anyone.  Because I will.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM18 - Guilds Mafia (Day 1)
« on: November 05, 2014, 08:08:54 am »
We have about 2 days left.  Time to narrow some things down.

Post Count 1.e
silverspawn
jotheonah
Witherweaver
Hydrad
EFHW
XerxesPraelor
EgorK
pingpongsam
faust
2.71828.....
Beyond Awesome
mcmcsalot
Eevee
49
30
59
24
45
13
9
52
75
39
28
56
26

Lurkers [0-15] (xp, EgorK)- would be willing to lynch either of them, but primarily xp.  He came out defending himself against nothing, and said that PoE early is not great.  Both of which were little flags for me.  He then votes for me saying flavor claiming is ok, which is a comfortable early vote for some town points.  He then does rereads, but doesn't post anything about them except "WW looks very normal" or "silverspawn looks townier than normal, could be a scumtell."  Basically, he doesn't tell us anything from these rereads.  He also makes a joke about a universal town read on himself, which seems out of place to me.  EgorK also voted for me, so that is that.  I mean, I would lynch him at deadline, but don't really have a reason to other than the fact that he is lurking, which isn't a great reason at all.

Lower Average posters [16-30] (Joth, Hydrad, BA, Eevee)- From this group I like joth as the best lynch candidate.  His case against EFHW seems flimsy at best and is based of secret knowledge.  I don't feel comfortable with that.  WIFOM, would scum really do that?  Anyway, I prefer him over others in this group.  I would also go for BA, but don't see any movement in that direction and will hold out for a later day and watch him.

Higher Average posters [31-50] (silverspawn, EFHW, e)- I like lynching silverspawn.  Just not quite as much as I like lynching xp.  I don't like lynching EFHW right now. 

More than Average posters [51+] (witherweaver, pingpongsam, faust, mcmc)- D1 activity pass plus I have mostly town reads on all of them.

In conclusion, vote: xp.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M52: Death Note Mafia (Day 3)
« on: November 05, 2014, 07:38:06 am »
Prods sent.
i feel so violated

That's the extent of what you're willing to contribute to this game huh ?

Well, he can contribute more if he is town, because after we shoot him he will have to shoot someone else.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM18 - Guilds Mafia (Day 1)
« on: November 04, 2014, 09:48:16 pm »
I reread e, and these are the things that make me suspicious of him. 

1.  Right off the bat at the beginning of the game, he brought up the idea of governor claiming and then immediately said let's not, and the usual stuff about scum getting too much information.  That felt off to me - artificial. 
2.  Regarding claiming, he said let's flavor claim, then in his next post he said the first rule of claiming is don't talk about claiming, and this is after he was the first to raise the claiming issue in the third post of the game.
3.  He alluded to breadcrumbing that he noticed.  It's generally better town strategy to keep that kind of thing to yourself.
4.  He made faust his top townread based on faust's scumminess.  It's the top townread that catches me up - not something you joke around about or decide based on seeing opposite indications.

Towny things were his skimming some faust games (assuming he did), confronting ss about playing with his meta, and declining to lynch based on flavor.

So, I'd love to hear e's reactions to these things.

I am not exactly sure how I am supposed to react to those things.  I mean, it is an accurate summary of stuff I have done (along with some reading into it on your part).  As far as (2) goes, I wasn't thinking of the same things in those posts.  The first one was purely about flavor, the second was about roles.  I am still fine with flavor claims because I don't see any correlation to alignment (though probably some role correlation) but I am against role claiming in RMM D1.  "the first rule about claiming..." was worded that way somewhat as a joke, but still getting the point across that we really shouldn't be in the business of talking about specifics or vague hints at our roles unless we decided as town that claiming would benefit town the most. 

Which goes into (3) some.  Which you have a good point about.  Because in the same breath that I am saying we shouldn't talk about roles, I am highlighting those people who have done so.  Probably not the best idea, but at the time I was just thinking to highlight the behavior to prevent other people from doing it themselves. 

As far as my read on faust goes it is almost exactly what mcmc said: the posts by faust seemed didn't seem to make any sense from a scum perspective because they set him up so nicely (from my perspective) as scum.  Although I feel as though I have a bias for faust to be scum, so I might be overreacting and not calling a carrot a carrot, but I don't want to lynch faust today at any rate.

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It was a restless night for everyone. Each person knew what they were up against.  They each knew the odds were stacked against them.  They all gathered in the same room and conferred together.  "two of us are stronger than any one of us on our own, so you everyone better behave and not do anything naughty!"  Everyone silently nodded, knowing that they were just moments from reaching the goal.  They stared into each others eyes as they each backed into a corner of the room.  Faust began, "you know, I really think the three of us should gang up on........" and then he was gone.  The three people remaining stared at the trapdoor that had opened into an endless chasm beneath him.  "I saw you twitch and open the trapdoor" one of them shouted at another.  "No it was you" protested the third.  A decision had to be made.

Faust has been killed!  He was Senator Thurman, a mafia goon.

Thread Unlocked!

Vote Count 5.0


Not Voting (3): ashersky, witherweaver, Jimmmmm

With 3 alive, it takes 2 to lynch. The deadline for Day 5 will be Friday, November 14, at 5:00 PM forum time. 

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(unless anyone objects and wishes the game to reopen in 48 hours as per the rules)

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Final Vote Count

Eevee (3): faust, ashersky, Jimmmmm
faust (1): Eevee

Not Voting (1): witherweaver

Eevee has been lynched!  He was Lukas, a Vanilla Townie

Please submit all night actions.  I will resume the game once I have processed all night actions or in 48 hours.  Whichever happens first.

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Thread Locked!

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15 minutes

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Help! / Re: Sea Hag vs Trashing
« on: November 04, 2014, 04:07:35 pm »
I would do HT/silver.  The big deal about HT is that you are basically guaranteed to hit 5 t3/t4 (bad luck happens though).  You would never skip it in this situation because you are always able to upgrade it later (if need be) into market or something.

And yeah.  Skip the hag.  Also, I think your first 5 might want to be trading post rather than upgrade, especially because you had shelters.

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