(I'll note that the general "play this as if it were another card in the supply" concept has been a very common fan card proposal, and usually shot down because of the rules paradoxes it would cause....)I took it out of the set at one point, but decided this wording made it workable.
Throne Roome - Band of Misfits.No, you still Feast twice. I uh. My explanation is that Throne Room played Feast twice, and if that Feast is now a Band of Misfits, that's just its own personal thing. This one is not in the FAQ. I checked isotropic and funsockets and they both have you Feast twice, for what that's worth.
You choose Feast.
So you trash the Feast-y Band of Misfits and gain a card.
Then you play the card again, but since it has left play it isn't a Feast anymore, so you get to choose a new action card you want the second play of the (trashed) BoM behave as?
But the interaction of BoM with trash-from-play cards is still confusing to me. You get 4 Golds "if you do trash two Treasure Maps". Well, one of the cards you trashed was a Treasure Map before you trashed it, but before it hit the Trash pile it became a Band of Misfits again. Do you get your four Golds?When you trashed BoM it was a Treasure Map; you did trash a Treasure Map. It just isn't one anymore.
Or even: play Band of Misfits. Play it as Embargo. As you do when you play a card, you follow the instructions on it one at a time. So, first instruction, get +$2. Second instruction, you trash it. Now the card is in the trash, it's not an Embargo anymore... and since it's not an Embargo, there are no instructions left to follow. Do you still place an embargo token?You still place the token.
I think he may have been talking about cards like Mining Village and Embargo that are trashed after they are played. Since BoM assumed those cards, if I choose to trash it for +$2 (a la Mining Village), does BoM get trashed? I brought this up discreetly earlier when we weren't allowed to talk about the cards.The two main question answers for BoM are: 1) if you play it as a Feast etc., you trash the BoM; and 2) if you play it as a duration or throne on a duration, it stays out.
Well here is why I think this way. The Band of Misfits wording is: "Play this as if it were an Action card inNo, "this is that card until it leaves play" is telling you when the effect ends and clarifying how it works; it's the first sentence that causes BoM to be the other card.
the supply costing less than it that you choose. This is that card until it leaves play." Two steps. In Dominion, when there are two steps, you always do them in order.
Don't see how it matters, either way you get a Band of Misfits on your deck.
- Scheme needs to choose an Action card you have in play. But if you played, say, both a Village, a Band-of-Misfits-as-a-Village, and a Band-of-Misfits-as-a-Smithy, the interface for this becomes tricky to get right.
You can play BoM as Treasure Map, trash another Treasure Map from your hand, and gain four Golds. You did trash two Treasure Maps. In the trash it's a BoM again though.
- Play a BoM as a Treasure Map with another Treasure Map in hand. You trash it and the Treasure Map from your hand. Do you get 4 Golds? TMap says "if you do trash two Treasure Maps". Note that, going by BoM wording, it does not become a Treasure Map until after being played. So I think at the time you trash it, it's not a Treasure Map, and therefore you don't get 4 Golds.
Furthermore, since the card actually leaves play while being played, BEFORE "this is that card until it leaves play" takes effect, it actually becomes a Treasure Map permanently once in the trash. If you Graverobber it from the trash, you can then later play it as a normal Treasure Map to trash it, and at that point it becomes a BoM again in the trash. LOL?- Play a BoM as an Island. As with TMap, it leaves play before the "this is that card until it leaves play" instruction, so it actually is still an Island on the Island mat, and therefore counts for 2 VP at the end of the game.
I assume that you don't actually gain the card? Or do you?You don't gain the card.
You can only play the top ruins?You can only play the top Ruins.
Or this one, I Kings Court Band of Misfits, Choosing Fortress, I then choose mining village and choose to trash band of misfits, Do I get BoM in my hand or no?
I do not think this is true anymore. From my beta updateI see! Sorry if that disappoints anyone.QuoteOf these changes, we'd like to point out that the base set cards will be availaible for free, while the other card sets will be available for purchase. You will, however, be able to play with any purchased cards with your friends as long as you set up the table.
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Easy way to troll the BGG RFTG forums: "Dominion > RFTG because Tom Lehmann and Wei-Hwa play Dominion, but Donald X does not play RFTG."I've played maybe three games of it? I've played more games of San Juan. And I've made a bunch of games that fall into that general family - you have cards in hand with rules, build up a tableau over half an hour, play simultaneously.
Band of misfits probably doesn't work great with empty piles. Also are ruins technically kingdom cards? Could be something wierd with picking a ruin that you don't know if its in the kingdom. The wording on reddit was terrible but assuming you can pick any kingdom card costing less it might function wierdly with picking a treasure if you still have actions left.You can only play actions with it; playing the top Ruins is legit and not tricky; you have to pick a physical card, so once a pile is empty you can't pick it anymore.
I seem to remember somewhere Doug being somewhat annoyed about Band of Misfits because it was easily the most complicated card for Isotropic coding purposes? Or am I misremembering?I think it was a combination of, this card is a mess and this expansion will probably never go public anyway.
2) The rest of us wondering if we're supposed to be talking about the leaked cardsWell Reddit is more public than this subforum. They are talking about them on SomethingAwful too. Not on the German forums or BGG though.
Will the pro board really be true random? I'm bad at Prosperity and Cornucopia, but great Promo and Intrigue - maybe I should only buy those? I think someone else's already mentioned this ... perhaps it can't be solved?My understanding is that the expansions of the two players are combined; if your opponent has Prosperity then the board may have Prosperity cards. You can only avoid Prosperity by avoiding people who bought it.
Is she young and single?She is dating Wei-Hwa Huang, world-famous Sudoku player and developer of Race for the Galaxy.
While we're talking about it ... I suppose I don't see the point in having both a 'casual' and 'pro' leaderboard. Why not just put focus on the pro leaderboard (random games make sense, predetermined kingdoms do not)?It seems straightforward that people who want to include Colony in every game or whatever may still enjoy being rated, while at the same time people who want a hardcore test of skill may still want to play with shiny new cards.
For the record, I'm not a fan of bias games being ranked on a pro board - that doesn't make sense.
That sounds great, and exactly what I would want for a pro/casual leaderboard.There's also a third option, "unrated."
Please turn your expansion over to Seaside B in order to hear the rest of this recording.B-Side to Seaside, that's by Suzy and the Red Stripes. But as a Loud Family fan, I'll stick with The Tape of Only Linda.
Can you explain?I am expecting pure random games at launch, and for only those games to be ranked for the pro leaderboard. The intention is to allow biases ala isotropic and I don't know where that stands.
The main reason I say not tournament ready is the inability to select a random set of cards. Right now the randomness of a set is only known to one player.
Do you mean that one person will be able to initiate such a game at launch?
Can you play with cards from expansions you don't own in the campaign mode?No, the campaigns are by expansion (or half - a Seaside A campaign, a Seaside B campaign, a full Seaside campaign, etc.), and you have to have the expansion to play them. And then within the campaign it's just that set and the main set. And you own that set since that got you the campaign, and the main set is free, so there you go.
I would think so, but rather ask and get an answer.
I believe you (or someone) mentioned that Promo cards would be unlocked in-game - would that be in the campaign/adventure mode?My understanding is that there will be multiple ways to get the promos, and one way will be beating campaigns.
My first reaction was "that sounds stupid", but after reading some comment from Donald X about designing kingdoms for it, I think it could be pretty fun. Sort of like solo challenges, except from the designer.I have not actually seen an implemented version of the campaigns, and my details there are sketchy.
And the new place isn't tournament ready yet.Incidentally Trisha will be running "manual" tournaments in the short term; "automatic" tournaments are a planned feature but def. not making the launch.
I have not taken the plunge of registering at those forums yet, so you could cross-post something here if you want me to see it and bug them about it, which is what happened with the shuffling bug, also thanks again there!If you really care about making this work, you would play on it relentlessly, constantly offer feedback, and demonstrate a willingness to accept what is new, instead of perpetually whining about what you are giving up.I do, but I post it on Goko's forums since that's what they read.
I'm honestly curious what was going on here. Was there an earlier project which was scrapped?He was not! He was making a guess based on incomplete information.
Was Jay straight up lying?
