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Dominion General Discussion / Re: Official Version Launching 8/16?
« on: August 15, 2012, 04:22:14 pm »
People have shown significant skills playing, for example, with a much-higher-than-average percentage of platinum/colony boards.
Yes, I conceded that one.

Oh I see. So by not buying Seaside you increase the number of Platinum/Colony boards.

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I won't reveal the name or the missing choices for the one with all the choices, but I personally plan on spending a lot of time trying to figure out what combinations it would take to make the card worthwhile. AP in the best way, I say!
The reddit thread says "gain a Duchy" and I confirm that.

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Dominion: Dark Ages Previews / Re: Band of Misfits rules questions
« on: August 15, 2012, 04:16:51 pm »
What you're implying, if I follow, is that "Play this as if it were..." isn't instructions to execute as a result of playing the card, the way Throne Room's text is; it's instructions on what playing the card actually consists of. So the interpretation you're telling me is this:
Yes, playing BoM as Smithy should be exactly the same as playing a Smithy. The card in your hand gave you options, but what you played was a Smithy; it doesn't get played and then sit in play waiting for you to pick the card to play it as (although I don't remember offhand what the display shows in the online version there).

And that wording was chosen specifically because it cleared up some rules questions like this one.

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Dominion General Discussion / Re: Official Version Launching 8/16?
« on: August 15, 2012, 04:10:38 pm »
any source for this?
There should be some old thread about it in the Isotropic Discussion forum. It was done to solve the Paralyzed problem.
This is my memory also. In any case you sure don't want to pro-rank games where any cards were specifically chosen.

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Dominion General Discussion / Re: Official Version Launching 8/16?
« on: August 15, 2012, 04:09:03 pm »
But like if you decide to not buy Seaside as a leaderboard gambit, what does that really get you?

It gets you to the top of the leaderboard?
I just don't see it! You dodge Sea Hag games where you open 5/2?

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Goko Dominion Online / Re: Ask FunSockets anything!
« on: August 15, 2012, 04:07:44 pm »
As Dominion will get removed from BSW, are any translations (especially into German) planned in the near future?
Will you publish a roadmap of upcoming features?
The biggest upcoming features are:

- the rest of the expansions
- achievements
- tutorial
- automatic tournaments

I cannot answer the translations thing but man I hope so.

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Again I confirm these cards, subject to what the poster says about forgetting names and things. They have been leaked, I would rather they hadn't been but there they are, pretending they aren't there isn't accomplishing anything. Discuss them all you want.

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Dominion: Dark Ages Previews / Re: Band of Misfits rules questions
« on: August 15, 2012, 04:00:54 pm »
I see it as "I Throned a particular card, which was named Feast". Seems weird for Throne Room to remember the name of the card.
If you Throned a Feast, then we should Feast twice, right? The Feast could have been something else if you'd picked something else for BoM, but you didn't.

You Throned a BoM, but BoM says "play this as if etc." So really you Throned a Feast. If that Feast vanishes - for example moving to the trash, or maybe turning into a different card wtf - we should still Feast a second time.

I dunno, that's how I see it now, we will see if anyone produces a compelling counterargument. Also again for the moment that is how funsockets works.

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Dominion: Dark Ages Previews / Re: Band of Misfits rules questions
« on: August 15, 2012, 03:56:21 pm »
That's what I want to know.  Also, I'm betting the FAQ for Band of Misfits will be longer than Possession, Watchtower and Trader combined.
It is probably top ten but cannot touch those three.

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Dominion: Dark Ages Previews / Re: Band of Misfits rules questions
« on: August 15, 2012, 03:55:38 pm »
Wait, this is a bit confusing. The wording on HoP is "per differently named card you have in play." Wouldn't playing Village, BoM (as a Village), and HoP give you the ability to gain a 3 cost card. What I'm getting at is that BoM is named BoM, and not the card whose effect is getting assumed.
BoM is just a Village until it leaves play. Village is named Village.

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Dominion: Dark Ages Previews / Re: Band of Misfits rules questions
« on: August 15, 2012, 03:54:31 pm »
Just remember, Donald X. is God, so if he says the card works that way, then well...
Man, I have been wrong about stuff. Also now you will get people saying how unhumble I am because I think I get to decide how cards work.

I was joking.
Also people will say how I can't take a joke.

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Dominion: Dark Ages Previews / Re: Band of Misfits rules questions
« on: August 15, 2012, 03:53:54 pm »
What was the isotropic/prototype art for Band of Misfits?
It was some random drawing of three adventurers.

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Dominion: Dark Ages Previews / Re: Band of Misfits rules questions
« on: August 15, 2012, 03:50:31 pm »
Split and moved, since this is what this thread is really about now.
You could close the other thread, that way people won't accidentally post there, he said as if this were the reason.

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Dominion: Dark Ages Previews / Re: Band of Misfits rules questions
« on: August 15, 2012, 03:49:08 pm »
Just remember, Donald X. is God, so if he says the card works that way, then well...
Man, I have been wrong about stuff. Also now you will get people saying how unhumble I am because I think I get to decide how cards work.

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Dominion: Dark Ages Previews / Re: Band of Misfits rules questions
« on: August 15, 2012, 03:48:23 pm »
But Throne Room doesn't see Feast. When you play the Throne Room, the BoM is still in your hand, so it's not a Feast yet. All Throne Room sees at this point is a Band of Misfits.
I am not so clear on this. I played BoM as Feast. So I Throned a Feast. That seems like a reasonable way to look at it.

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Dominion: Dark Ages Previews / Re: Band of Misfits rules questions
« on: August 15, 2012, 03:47:36 pm »
Another fun fact about BoM:

If you pick up a BoM with Golem you should be able to play it as a new Golem! (You have revealed an action card that is not Golem, but then when you play it you can make it become Golem.)
Only if some new card lowers costs by P.

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Dominion: Dark Ages Previews / Re: Band of Misfits rules questions
« on: August 15, 2012, 03:46:32 pm »
Play Band of Misfits, declaring it a Village. Then play Conspirator. Is the Conspirator non-terminal because you've already played two actions (BoM and Village)? Based on the wording of the card and the comparison with Throne Room, I'll guess yes: there are two card-playing events implicated in the BoM, one when you actually play it from your hand and one when you follow its instruction to play it as another card.

Donald, if these are getting annoying, by all means let us know.
You only played one card prior to Conspirator; BoM is played as a Village.

Ask away, I can always leave and come back later. I would post the FAQ but it has secrets.

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Dominion: Dark Ages Previews / Re: Band of Misfits rules questions
« on: August 15, 2012, 03:44:05 pm »
Also this particular question is not that esoteric, since it happens with any multiplier (TR, KC, Procession) of a BoM that imitates a self-trashing card (Embargo, Treasure Map, Mining Village, Feast).
It does not need to be non-esoteric to be worth answering, but I do not imagine this will come up too often in games. You need BoM and one of a small number of cards and one of a small number of cards, and then, you are trashing your BoM, didn't you want that.

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Dominion: Dark Ages Previews / Re: Band of Misfits rules questions
« on: August 15, 2012, 03:40:48 pm »
Another potential source of bugs: I play a Village, then a BoM-as-a-Village, then a Horn of Plenty. HoP should only see two different names of cards (Village/BoM-as-a-Village and HoP).
I bet it will work, but sadly I cannot test this one yet.

But you confirm that this is what's supposed to happen? (I.e., Band of Misfits isn't considered to also be in play under its own name, or whatever.)
Yes, HoP will just see BoM as what it copied.

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Dominion: Dark Ages Previews / Re: Band of Misfits rules questions
« on: August 15, 2012, 03:38:59 pm »
where did the thread go

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Dominion: Dark Ages Previews / Re: Band of Misfits rules questions
« on: August 15, 2012, 03:37:55 pm »
That's... not what I would have expected.

Throne Room isn't playing Feast twice in any case: consider the case of BoM-as-Smithy. Throne Room plays Band of Misfits once; BoM plays Smithy; Throne Room tries to play BoM a second time, but when it looks for BoM it finds a Smithy and it's like, whatever, I guess I'll just play that then. So the Throne Room itself plays BoM once and Smithy once.

But this perhaps is wading a bit too far into the weeds to be useful.
Well it's a real question that wants a good answer.

The question is how Throne Room works; Band of Misfits is def. no longer a Feast in the trash. This question came up during work on the set, and was part of how it got the wording it got, to deal with questions as well as possible, but this question didn't come back up afterwards. I guess there's also, you are saying Throne didn't play Smithy, but that's not clear either. You play BoM as if it were etc. If you play it as Smithy, didn't you Throne a Smithy?

Anyway for the moment let's stick with, you Feast twice, since that was what made sense to me upon hearing the question.
And I will think about it in my copious free time.

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Dominion: Dark Ages Previews / Re: Band of Misfits rules questions
« on: August 15, 2012, 03:20:28 pm »
Another potential source of bugs: I play a Village, then a BoM-as-a-Village, then a Horn of Plenty. HoP should only see two different names of cards (Village/BoM-as-a-Village and HoP).
I bet it will work, but sadly I cannot test this one yet.

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Dominion: Dark Ages Previews / Re: Band of Misfits rules questions
« on: August 15, 2012, 03:19:07 pm »
Procession.
Band of Misfits - turn it into Fortress.

Does it go back into my hand?
This one is in the FAQ, hooray. BoM goes back to your hand and you gain an action card costing $6. At the point at which you trashed it, it had an ability that returned it to your hand if it was trashed; at the point at which we need to know its cost, it's back to $5.

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Dominion: Dark Ages Previews / Re: Band of Misfits rules questions
« on: August 15, 2012, 03:17:40 pm »
http://chainsawsuit.com/2011/10/21/cautions-from-a-former-employer/

I was always under the impression that that phrase was meant to imply that you should get out as quickly as possibly, butt-hitting suggesting that you're taking your sweet ass time to leave.
No dude, it is all about butt safety.

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Dominion: Dark Ages Previews / Re: Band of Misfits rules questions
« on: August 15, 2012, 03:16:32 pm »
Good point, I should have said one is a BoM-as-a-Village and the other is a BoM-as-a-Fishing-Village (just played this turn). So the second can't get returned to your deck at the end of this turn, and so it matters which you pick.
Ah. Yes in this situation you want to know which is which and I am betting that nothing will track that but the log. Possibly there's some graphic solution involving overlaying the card you played BoM as over the BoM.

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