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Introductions / Re: Introduction time.
« on: May 29, 2012, 05:41:27 pm »
Mafia games now kill AND exile innocent people!

But no, this wasn't his last post, as the search function shows.

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Introductions / Re: Introduction time.
« on: May 29, 2012, 05:15:03 pm »
He appears as a guest though, which means he deleted his account?

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Dominion General Discussion / Re: Worst First Kingdom
« on: May 29, 2012, 04:30:03 pm »
Hm. You asked for the worst kingdom, which means 10 cards and their interactions, but give reasons for single cards to be included.
So I'll try and mention some awful themes of kingdoms or at least 2+-card-combos.

Number 1: "This is a singleplayer game": KC-Goons-Masquerade pin in some variation
Slight variation: Number 1a: "I'll play for both of us": KC-Possession madness

Number 2: "The game ends when I buy everything": I just don't find the log.  Edit: Found the log. Anyway, you probably all know the sologame approach where Geronimoo bought all cards available within 12 turns. Nice because it introduces the 20-pile-ending as well.

Number 3: "What do you mean, you can't buy anything?": This needs some preparation. Explain first how trashing is key in most games, and that you want to get rid of your starting cards as soon as possible. Then propose a game with Mint, Chapel and no useful 2$ cards + maybe Sea Hag or IGG. Your opponent hopefully opens Mint, maybe even Mint/Chapel, and you just add some Curses to his deck as well.

Number 4: "What do you mean, you can't shuffle this anymore?": Your opponent probably won't value Ambassador, so no boring tennis games should be expected. But, with ambassador, KC, one card to draw them all and many mostly useless cards, you can get to an engine first and afterwards pump his deck with Curses, Coppers, Potions, Scouts, Talismans, what you can think of. Make sure to leave the last card in most piles so the fun doesn't end early.

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because mafia is probably going to bandwagon if some innocent townie starts to get like any votes at all so at this point a townie is actually far more likely to get voted on than a mafia?

Since the folks to cast the final votes are very suspicious of being mafia, I doubt that mafia would risk themselves by voting to get a quick kill.
I'd even go so far and say that mafia might vote each other, because with so many players, the risk of accidentally lynching one of their own is pretty low, and it reduces suspicion if one of them somehow is revealed to be mafia.

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I did this in the first game and I guess i'll do this again. Voting ATM really is inconsequential and I find it amusing that people are so surprised at votes already occurring.

I will vote for the person whose number corresponds to the seconds digit on the timestamp IFF they have a reasonable chance of being lynched and no mafia clearly screwed up.

Galzria   0
michaeljb   1
jotheonah   2
Morgrim7   3
MrEevee   4
Dsell   5
Robz   6
Voltgloss  7
eHalcyon   8
Captain_Frisk   9
def   -bye
yuma   -bye

What do you mean, bye? I demand to me treated equally. You could use the seconds modulo 12 I guess.

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Of course, I because both Michael and Eevee both voted for yuma, I suspect them!  Michael for being the #2 poster and bandwagoning.

So I'll just suspect you for suspecting them for voting early, that sounds nice. :)

Consent in the other games so far was that not lynching first day gives the mafia a free kill and we have the same situation again the next day, apart from information some roles could gather, so no use to do so.
If we can get a discussion going to create some suspicion, good, if not, it's still best play to lynch randomly to create information. A bit bandwagoning, while risky, might help here, because with one vote, noone feels forced to react, but with two or three, maybe. Is there anything wrong with this reasoning?

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Yes, there is cheating going on. Not much you can do it about that though.

I'm sure you like to give us some proof as well. :)
Or is this your new way of reasoning, from "most other top players play bad against me and win because of luck" to "who wins against me must be cheating"? Seriously, it's getting annoying.

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Dominion General Discussion / Re: The first Dominion quiz
« on: May 29, 2012, 05:57:25 am »
Reason that Silver can be a problem in Colony games is that 5 Silvers don't get you a Colony.
But, with cards that increase hand-size like Wharf, you don't mind having Silvers.
At least that's the logic, I've run no simulations to see what little difference it makes if you buy a Silver before your last reshuffle or not.

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Dominion Articles / Re: Taking risks & driving the P2 seat
« on: May 28, 2012, 04:19:34 pm »
I'm not sure what makes you come here and try to take an article by the best dominion player we have seen(in my opinion) and turn it on it's head.   

Don't care about who is wrong or right or both in the substantial discussion, but it's not like that solely the fact one of the best players wrote an article means you can't argue about it all. Don't see why you're so absolute here.

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Yeah, sure, and when I'm here, nobody talks AT ALL. Which timezones are you in? I'm GMT+1.

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Oh guys, what have I gotten into here? I went to bed yesterday when the thing hasn't even started, and now it's 3 or 4 pages already. At least mostly no 1000-words posts, but I'm sure that's soon to follow.

For the avatar thing - if everyone of you got one, I'm distinguished by having none. :)

For newbie advice: do you think it's better to get an overview of what mass of roles are possible, or of only the most common ones, or don't care at all? The twists Robz posted, like mad doctor, and other things I read on the wiki, like (in)sanity, leave me confused, because this way you can't be sure of anything?
But I'm pretty sure that if this is a true Dominion-Mafia game, there just has to be a Jack-of-all-trades!
Or a Goon, Governor, Oracle and Thief.

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Game Reports / Re: Not a gg?
« on: May 27, 2012, 10:23:54 am »
Sounds more like he was talking about his play, calling what he had done not a good game because he tried some desperate things to come back, which didn't work at all. Did you say gg before this exchange occured?

It's not uncommon to me that someone says the usual gg and I think "well, not really, I played very badly." Maybe that's what he meant.

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You totally missed my point. My point is that there are companies that DON'T LET YOU DO THAT.

How can you say where you found things when you didn't find things at all? Do you mean that there are companies that, every time you come up with a new line of code, let you browse the web if someone else already had written a similar line and, if so, credit them? That would be totally ridiculous, and I don't really want to believe it, but ok, ridiculous things exist.

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// Author: Andrew J. Prasetyo Jo

// Credits to:
// http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1527803/generating-random-numbers-in-javascript-in-a-specific-range
function getRandomInt(min, max) {
  return Math.floor(Math.random() * (max - min + 1)) + min;
}

a team of professionals who, theoretically, have been working full time for an least a couple months. 

As a first semester software engineering student, I can confidently say that this is not a team of professionals, this is a work experience kid.
Don't know that you can be so confident without any experience at a company. Some companies make you document EVERYTHING and show where you found it, where the credit is, blah blah blah. Let me tell you, it is annoying for the programmers too, but when they're paying your bills, you go with it...

I think the point is that a good programmer shouldn't need to document where he found this idea, but rather come up with this simple routine by himself.

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Dominion Articles / Re: tactics: turning off the autopilot
« on: May 26, 2012, 06:19:47 pm »
Or even auto-revealing a Province and then thinking "wait; I don't even want a Prize on my deck which destroys my draw chain this turn".

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While this is in play, whenever you are granted an action, gain a Silver, placing it on top of your deck.
This makes "village idiot" happy.

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Well, that's enough for me to not use them.  I hope, but obviously cannot assume, that others are with me on this.

Will you have any other options? When this goes live iso dies, right? Basically they will have a monopoly on online Dominion. It's either play there or only play IRL, right?

Pretty much.

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Are you saying that no logs means it's not worth playing at all?

My specific stance is, and for a while has been, this:

  • Isotropic was effectively endorsed by RGG, who used it for playtesting.
  • RGG is forcing Iso offline with this new site, and I fully understand the reasons for that.
  • This replacement has no obvious reason not to have all the features of isotropic, given that one was put together by one guy in his spare time, and the other has a team of professionals who, theoretically, have been working full time for an least a couple months.  This is especially true given that the new site is intended to make money.
  • A replacement that does not have the features of isotropic is a significant disservice to a large community.  In fact, while logs may seem minor, they are the bread and butter of this site and forum; the DS blog and much of the discussion here would be impossible or less useful without logs.  Consider:  solo challenges are gone when logs disappear.  Annotated games are gone.  "Great Moments."  "What Did I Do Wrong?"  Any full explanation of a combo.  Half the useful discussion on this forum disappears.
  • While the community is not in a position to demand anything, we are in a position to say "this is not acceptable customer relations."  The only way we can go about this is a boycott.
  • Therefore, until the replacement for isotropic has all the features of isotropic, I intend to boycott not just the online app, but RGG as a whole.  As a single-person boycott is ineffective, I will strongly and loudly suggest that others boycott the site and RGG as well.
TL;DR version:  RGG has lost my business entirely until such time as the new site has all the functions of isotropic.  (They had already lost my business several months ago with the continued information silence.)  I've said for a while I would gladly pay RGG to play on an isotropic clone, but that's not what they're selling.  They're selling an inferior product, and I can spend my time and money elsewhere.  I can play Dominion face-to-face, and I can do it without the last two expansions.

I hope, but do not expect, others will support a boycott.

That's great and all, which is why i +1ed it, but only if things look as bad when things are released. So let me remind everybody that basically all information we have is that
a) the official version is not out yet and
b) it doesn't has logs yet.
I don't want to conclude from that single mail how the final product will look. And I don't want to believe that the final product will have cards with wrong symbols.

Or to put things differently:
Few days ago, everybody complained that we had no information; now we have some information, but everybody is complaining at what the product probably will look hinted by this little information.
Note: "everybody" is an exaggeration.

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TheBride plays a Bishop.
... getting +$1 and +1 ▼.
... TheBride trashes a Marriage and gets +(∞ - 1)/2  ▼.

 :'( :'( :'(

proof that playing dominion too ruthlessly can destroy a marriage.
What is the point of Bishoping it if you would get more points playing it?

How is 100 more than half of infinity? :o

In a multiplayer game, or with King's Court, do you marry one of your opponents, or one three times, or all of them, and how does this go with polygamy laws?

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Yeah...this renders my other simple solution useless, too. :-\

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Feedback / Re: Mafia
« on: May 24, 2012, 04:15:30 am »
...Why does post count even remotely matter?

Because of the shiny Titles!
But Tacticians like you don't care, huh, thinking you are something better. Wait til you are a Witch though.

One thing I noticed which may be relevant for Mafia games: When I edit posts right after I posted them, the "post edited by" doesn't appear. Is this due to the time since the post or because noone else posted yet?  Even more, you can remove posts as long as it's the most recent post. Can this cause problems with the no edit rule, letting you remove accidental blunders?

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Simple Stupid ones that don't work because I apparently don't know anything about the game:
Gold pile is empty.

Silver pile will be empty if you gain a Silver triggering a three pile ending you need to win.

Complicated:
You already played 4 Highways and some kind of Village. You have Upgrade/Remake in hand and will draw the card you gain by Noble Brigand. A Silver costs 0$ now and can be trashed into the gamewinning Duchy, a Gold can't.
Something similar works with Forge even without Highways; you need the Silver but not the Gold.


You have a Watchtower, an Apprentice, something else that draws one card and exactly 3 cards left in deck. You want to trash the gained card but don't want to trigger a reshuffle, so you pick Silver over Gold.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia III: In a shelter among beggars
« on: May 23, 2012, 06:14:55 pm »
I'm in if it's ok that I never played before. :)

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Introductions / Re: Who am I? Why am I here?
« on: May 23, 2012, 12:38:59 pm »
Yeah, this thread is really old, I know. But it should probably get moved to the introductions section now...
Man I'm weird and spend way too much time on the boards.
Yes. :)
Yes on which parts of his message? :P

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Dominion Articles / Re: Combo: Hamlet/Talisman/Fool's Gold
« on: May 23, 2012, 12:34:21 pm »
Do I miss something; how can you gain 6 FGs in one turn? Or 4 in your other case?

Also, why Hamlet and not Herbalist which seems way better?

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Feedback / Re: Mafia
« on: May 22, 2012, 04:35:49 pm »
Plus, in England at least, the Sun is actually shining.

Funny you English people even have words like "sun" and "shining" when you only need them few times a year.

For the record, as said with Diablo or good weather, there are many more reasons why it might be the way it appears to you, paddyodoors. I for example am only reading here lately except for posting silly remarks like the above because I didn't play recently and stopped my puzzle because there are others and I have no outstandingly good ideas (the participation was pretty good though). Additionally, we are in a time where strategic insights might be scarce because it's been a long time since the last expansion appeared, so there is nothing new to discuss.

But all this addresses your personal feelings, which are contradicted by the post count which states that even without Mafia posts counted, we already have more posts in May so far than in March and around as much as in February. So...?

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