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Dominion General Discussion / Re: Is there a "good" and "bad" way to Win in Dominion?

« on: December 07, 2013, 10:00:37 pm »

It's comparable to when two warriors are sparring and one guy get's a lucky strike, knocking the other warrior on his back. If I let you get up to finish the fight in an honorable way would you feel insulted because I didn't slit your throat when I had you cornered on the ground?

Yeah. I would consider that extremely arrogant and disrespectful, and I would feel that I was being treated like an animal in a typical video in which animals aren't treated very nicely, I won't post a link here but I'm sure you can use your imagination or google "torturing a cat" or something.

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Dominion General Discussion / Re: Is there a "good" and "bad" way to Win in Dominion?

« on: December 07, 2013, 08:23:56 pm »

Three-piling can be interesting. I think when everyone sees a three-pile ending coming (at least they should see it) then one can't be faulted for pursuing a strategy in line with that inevitable outcome.

However, some people drain three piles gratuitously, this is a very different thing. For example, today my opponent and I had similar decks. We both had a lot of KCs and markets and bridges. I drew two KCs and some coppers he drew two KC's and some markets and bridges. He ended the game then and there by buying 7 wishing wells. It's one thing to benefit from luck, it's another to exploit that luck to the fullest

Im not quite sure what your saying the other player should do here?
Discard his winning turn and let you have a turn at winning?
You both were aiming for the same thing...he just got there first

You say its how you play the game, but you were playing in the same way as your opponent?

I'm not saying the player SHOULD have done anything differently. I'm just saying why I was frustrated. I would have played differently because I'd rather duke it out and emerge victorious than ride a tidal wave of luck.

I personally would consider that offensive if it was apparent that you were doing it on purpose.

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Dominion General Discussion / Re: Is there a "good" and "bad" way to Win in Dominion?

« on: December 07, 2013, 08:20:20 pm »

I think being the kingmaker is still the worst position.

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Dominion General Discussion / Re: Is there a "good" and "bad" way to Win in Dominion?

« on: December 07, 2013, 07:14:29 pm »

I understand what you are saying. However there are games where trashing and tactician are not available. Thus the only way to improve your odds is to buy as many action cards as possible to maximize your odds of a mega turn. The thing is a competent player will employ all of the aforementioned techniques, so once again, it boils down to luck. I don't mean to bemoan this, I'm just curious about what people think about players who exploit their first or second really good draw with powerful cards and use that leverage to end the game.

I would consider myself a somewhat competent player (level 42 on Isotropish), and I don't think I've ever played any megaturn game optimally.

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Dominion General Discussion / Re: Is there a "good" and "bad" way to Win in Dominion?

« on: December 07, 2013, 06:53:49 pm »

3-pile endings are my special technique.

Also, you make your own shuffle luck. It isn't an easy task to line up two KCs and lots of Actions, a lot more than just buying KCs and Actions and waiting for the perfect shuffle luck is required: trashing helps, a functioning engine helps, deck manipulation (Inn, Herald, etc) helps, Tactician helps, keeping track of your deck and reshuffle control helps, knowing how to get those KCs and Actions faster helps, etc. A huge amount of skill is involved in mega turn games, and the more skilled player has a tendency to win, even though the difference in skill might not be as big as the difference in score suggests.

EDIT:

For example, today my opponent and I had similar decks. We both had a lot of KCs and markets and bridges. I drew two KCs and some coppers he drew two KC's and some markets and bridges. He ended the game then and there by buying 7 wishing wells. It's one thing to benefit from luck, it's another to exploit that luck to the fullest

Well, what was he supposed to do? Buy 6 Wishing Wells and a Curse?

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Dominion General Discussion / Re: Luck-based Cards

« on: December 07, 2013, 04:30:52 pm »

Scout and Explorer. You get lucky if you get paired against an opponent who buys either of these.

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Game Reports / Re: Interaction: Rats with Watchtower/Develop

« on: December 07, 2013, 11:57:33 am »

All in all, a pretty cool game featuring a combo with 2 of the least loved cards in the game

I don't know about the others, but Develop and rats are easily in my top 10 favorite cards.

Develop is probably in my top 10 favorites too, but the fact is that they both are quite weak.

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Game Reports / Re: Interaction: Rats with Watchtower/Develop

« on: December 07, 2013, 08:29:07 am »

Very cool indeed! It never clicked to me that the rats don't have to enter your deck to get the on trash bonus. That has pretty awesome interactions with fan cards that would 'trash a card from the supply'.

Though, in this case, you are actually trashing the Rats from your deck.

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Goko Dominion Online / Re: Dealing with the "No-Roll"

« on: December 06, 2013, 11:01:14 am »

Well, we know he uses your software.

Just implement the auto-resign in the vp counter .

If name != "Andrew Iannaccone" Then autoresign()

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Variants and Fan Cards / Re: Really bad card ideas

« on: December 06, 2013, 08:57:09 am »

Scout Roads
Action - $6

+1 Action

Reveal the top 4 cards of your deck. Put the revealed Victory cards into your hand. Put the other cards on top of your deck in any order.  Reveal your hand.  +1 Card per Victory card revealed. If this is the first time you played a Scout Roads this turn, +3 Actions.



Too strong for 6?  Too weak?  Too bad for good?

Well it's a $4 plus a $2 so it must obviously be worth $6.

The thing is, it could actually be pretty decent.  It has a lot of actual self-synergy (where the two separate cards fail because they never collide).  Moreover, it means that you get the Crossroads draw non-terminally with every play of the card, which is very helpful.  How much do you expect to draw from Crossroads on average?  How much would you expect to draw from it after playing Scout?  I mean, if you have a bit of green in you deck, you could expect maybe 2 Victory cards in hand.  If that's the case, this is a Lab.  It's non-terminal draw that filters VP cards from the top of your deck and even gives extra actions the first time you play it.  That's really good.

Yeah, I agree, but I've found that including snappy one-liners PLUS extra text decreases your chance of getting respect, and respect mining is what F.DS is all about, right?

Respect Mining Village
$4 Action
+1 Card
+2 Actions
You may trash this. If you do, +1
_____________
While this is in play, when you would post a message, you may post an insightful message instead.

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Dominion General Discussion / Re: The Candlestick Maker is making the Masterpiece (and other cute art things)

« on: December 06, 2013, 08:53:50 am »

Old thread necro but I just noticed that the urchin is wearing a red bandana around his neck, and if you look closely, he still has it on his arm as a grown-up mercenary. That's pretty cool.

Read that as "a red banana". I didn't even notice I read it wrong on the first time I visited this thread after your post.

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General Discussion / Re: The Hobbit and LOTR

« on: December 05, 2013, 10:52:03 am »

Anyway, first off I thought the LOTR movies were all really great, while the Hobbit was just ok. Hard to say exactly why, I just know that I didn't leave the Hobbit with the same feeling of "wow that was awesome, can't wait til the next one comes out; can't wait to go see this one again" that I had after each LOTR.

That's also a pretty accurate explanation of my feelings about the LOTR movies, except I was too young to watch them at the time they came out so when I finally was allowed to watch them, I didn't have to wait another year after each movie. But the feeling I had after AUJ was more like "I have the worst headache ever because of the 3D, but it was so awesome I don't even regret paying extra for the 3D screening instead of a 2D one".

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General Discussion / Re: The Hobbit and LOTR

« on: December 05, 2013, 09:30:17 am »

They're fighting Smaug because the dwarves want to retake their homeland (and their treasures).

The dwarves are fighting for that reason, but Gandalf's motivation is indeed related to Sauron; he fears that Sauron could use Smaug to devastate all of the North. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Quest_of_Erebor

I see; I didn't read Unfinished Tales.  But, this was all after the fact, right?  As I understand it, The Hobbit was written without the greater story of The Lord of the Rings.

Yeah, it was after the fact.

Huge fan of the books (read them like ten times as a teenager, plus the Silmarilion a few times... all in French though, I'll have to read them in English someday), I like the movies well enough, but haven't seen the Hobbit yet (I was really put off by the dividing into three movies). Should I ?

You should, and make sure you watch the extended edition.

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Game Reports / Re: My Hand Produces Only $2... For 15 Straight Turns

« on: December 05, 2013, 09:19:50 am »

Crossroads and lookout is a complete nombo btw in case anyone was still in any doubt after seeing the game log.

Can something be a nombo without looking like a combo? Or is there something that looks like a combo that I am not seeing?

If I have understood the term correctly, nombo is anti-synergy between cards. In that case, something can be a nombo without looking like a combo.

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General Discussion / Re: The Hobbit and LOTR

« on: December 05, 2013, 09:14:09 am »

They're fighting Smaug because the dwarves want to retake their homeland (and their treasures).

The dwarves are fighting for that reason, but Gandalf's motivation is indeed related to Sauron; he fears that Sauron could use Smaug to devastate all of the North. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Quest_of_Erebor

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Goko Dominion Online / Re: Goko ranking

« on: December 05, 2013, 05:56:46 am »

Recently started playing Dominion again after taking a break when Isotropic closed down.  I been trying to equate the old Number ranks to the new scores.  The top 333 players had a rank 30 and over on Isotropic and right now that translates to ~5200, the top 50 players had a rank 40 and over so on goko that is close to 6000 and over.  That seem about right?  Also is there anyway to search the Goko Leaderboard for a specific name?  I want to see if the person who registered as Toblakai on Goko is even playing 

Their rating system is different than the iso one and it's hard to figure things out.  I've gotten up to ~5500 before, but I'm not even level 30 on the isotropish leaderboard.

It's swingier, but that's probably the main difference. I can go from top 20 to below top 100 in a day and back in another day, but generally speaking, 6000 = 40 doesn't seem to be that far from the truth (I'm level 42 on the Isotropish leaderboard and most of the time in the 6100-6400 range on the Goko leaderboard).

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General Discussion / Re: The Hobbit and LOTR

« on: December 04, 2013, 04:53:18 pm »

I hated the chase scene in the Hobbit as well (the one when they are running away from the goblins).  It was so unrealistic and overdone, and felt like it did not fit with the rest of the movie (Seriously? The one dwarf holds a ladder and it blocks all the arrows... I mean yeah creative license, but he doesn't react or anything...).  I was talking with a friend recently and he agreed, but we also came to the conclusion that that scene was added to try and give it that childhood whimsy and comic nature that is necessary because the book was geared towards a younger audience.  I feel like either they should have made the whole movie more comic and lighthearted (like the goblin scene) or the whole movie more serious (more like LOTR).  But throwing in this one scene was their attempt to do both and I think it was very bad for the movie

I feel like the comic nature of that scene adds to the distinction between orcs and goblins that PJ has been making, which is a thing that I like.

Ok, I can see that.  But at the same time, a lot of the problems I had with that scene had less to do with the actual goblins and more to do with physics if I'm perfectly honest... And while I can overlook most physics issues/implausibilities in movies, I felt like that scene went too far into the cartoon Wile E. Cyote range and I felt like it detracted from the tone of the movie.

Slightly related: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B-tzQahCny7TSE1ybWlpQkQtdVE/edit

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General Discussion / Re: The Hobbit and LOTR

« on: December 04, 2013, 02:57:03 pm »

I hated the chase scene in the Hobbit as well (the one when they are running away from the goblins).  It was so unrealistic and overdone, and felt like it did not fit with the rest of the movie (Seriously? The one dwarf holds a ladder and it blocks all the arrows... I mean yeah creative license, but he doesn't react or anything...).  I was talking with a friend recently and he agreed, but we also came to the conclusion that that scene was added to try and give it that childhood whimsy and comic nature that is necessary because the book was geared towards a younger audience.  I feel like either they should have made the whole movie more comic and lighthearted (like the goblin scene) or the whole movie more serious (more like LOTR).  But throwing in this one scene was their attempt to do both and I think it was very bad for the movie

I feel like the comic nature of that scene adds to the distinction between orcs and goblins that PJ has been making, which is a thing that I like.

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General Discussion / Re: The Hobbit and LOTR

« on: December 04, 2013, 02:30:53 pm »

I think that the LOTR movies are very good, but AUJ is little short of a masterpiece. There's a lot of stuff that PJ did with LOTR that I don't agree with (the lack of scouring of the Shrine being the most important), but almost everything he did with AUJ improved it - the only thing that comes to mind that he shouldn't have done IMO was meddling with the timeline so that Gandalf organizes the journey and then learns about the Necromancer while he is on that journey. What on earth was Gandalf's motivation for going there in the first place then? But on the other hand, it's also understandable that PJ didn't want to have a third interlude before the story begins.

Also, I'm definitely in the "the extended edition of AUJ was too short" camp.

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Dominion General Discussion / Re: herald is so good

« on: December 04, 2013, 01:27:30 pm »

A peddler that discards a copper is like a lab (unless you prefer copper over +1$ for some reason).

Btw in which case is it just a great hall?
Even if you reveal curse, the discarding option makes it nearly as strong as a lab (unless you wanted to have that curse in hand for some reason).

If you reveal a Curse or (pure) Reaction card.

But don't forget it can also be a Peddler and a Lab or a Lab and a Village (or a Crossroads and a Hunting grounds).

If it reveals a curse, then it was pretty much a Laboratory, not counting edge cases where you want the Curse in hand. You'll discard it, which is usually just as good as having played a Lab to draw it.

What's funny is that Vagrant will actually draw that curse.

What's funny is that Ironmonger does almost everything you want a Vagrant to do, and more.

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Dominion General Discussion / Re: Homage to the Best Card

« on: December 04, 2013, 09:40:12 am »

And many more~

I play three The One Rings and buy two Aragorns. Your turn.

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Variants and Fan Cards / Re: Playing certain potion cards without potions

« on: December 04, 2013, 05:11:12 am »

Well, KC is stronger, whether you like it or not. That doesn't mean you can't have them be the same price, just there isn't really any room to argue that Golem is as strong as KC, it just isn't.

I agree that KC is stronger, but there is a lot of room to argue that Golem is stronger.

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Variants and Fan Cards / Re: Playing certain potion cards without potions

« on: December 04, 2013, 04:52:46 am »

Yes, you can draw KC alone, but Golem can also whiff by finding two terminals when you didn't want it to, or by drawing it when there aren't any more actions left in your deck/discard. Really I don't think this is a debate - Golem, as you say, is just +Cards/+Actions with a big bonus, but KC stacks attacks, remodel effects, virtual coin. You don't just draw your deck and play every card - you can play three times as many cards as you even have. That's unmatchable in power.

That certainly is an unique thing about KC, but being unique doesn't automatically mean it's stronger than everything else. I think the consensus in that one thread was that a level 2 city should cost $6 with a buying restriction or $7, and Golem is better than that.

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Variants and Fan Cards / Re: Playing certain potion cards without potions

« on: December 03, 2013, 05:57:03 pm »

No way, Golem is nowhere near as good as KC - KC effectively lets you play more action cards than are actually in your deck, never mind your hand, and anyway KC is liable to put everything in your hand, and also lets you choose which actions it plays.

Outside some special situations, I think I would buy a $7 Golem before buying a King's Court in many action centered games. Golem reliably splits an action and digs out for two action cards - that's level 2 City with a big bonus (you are guaranteed to hit actions) and a small drawback (you can't draw anything that isn't an action + you have to play whichever actions you hit).

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Variants and Fan Cards / Re: Really bad card ideas

« on: December 03, 2013, 02:02:41 pm »

Metaurchin
Cost: 2
Action-Attack/Meta-attack

+1 card
+1 action
Each other player discards down to 5 cards in hand. If you play an Attack or Meta-attack card while this card is in play, you may trash this card. If you do, gain an Urchin.

Remark: Urchin is now called Metamercenary, and Metaurchin is now Metametamercenary. Hermit is now Metamadman.

Needs to say "from the Urchin pile", or it does nothing.

Urchins are in the supply.