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Dominion General Discussion / Re: Appropriate Pace of Play

« on: November 05, 2014, 08:46:48 pm »

I don't think you have to make suboptimal decisions in order to make the game faster, and sometimes you might have slow connection or something else that makes your playing slower and it can't be helped, but spending time on making irrelevant decisions as "optimally" as possible (e.g. all forms of Still Had All Deezing, Wishing Well decisions when it's obvious you're going to draw your entire deck anyway, etc) is rude. It's nice if you say "thinking" or something in the chat when a decision is particularly difficult and you're taking lots of time.

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Other Games / Re: Civilization: Beyond Earth

« on: November 05, 2014, 09:03:17 am »

I just realized this thread is in the other board games subforum. What is it doing here?

I know. It was tripping me up when I was looking for the thread. Maybe the definition of "board game" has gotten lax ever since Hearthstone made it on here.

I blame Cookie Clicker.

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Other Games / Re: Thoughts on Digital-Board Hybrid Games?

« on: November 05, 2014, 04:09:12 am »

Why not just make it a digital game then? Hearthstone is super fun when you're playing it with friends IRL.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Newbie Mafia 7: Fish Mafia (Day 1)

« on: November 04, 2014, 08:42:17 pm »

One thing about silver and Pit and the fact that they know each other: if they rolled scum together, I think that it's very likely that they would plan to stage some sort of conflict before hand.

I agree, but that's 2/9 * 1/8 -> not very likely.

I mean, it's as likely as any other scum team.

Initially it was as likely as any other scum team, but now we have information. It's hard to say how much exactly that information makes certain scum teams more likely or less likely, but at this point, some possible scum teams seem unlikely while others are not so much unlikely.

I'm not sure if SS/Pit is one of those less unlikely teams. Pit is somewhat scummy now in my opinion, so SS calling him scummy doesn't necessarily mean that they're staging a conflict. It could mean that, but it also could mean that SS is town and just trying to find the scum, or scum with someone else. It's still very difficult to say anything about SS in a vacuum in my opinion, but the fact that a few others appear to be more scummy than him makes me think that he's probably town (does this reasoning make any sense at all?).

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Variants and Fan Cards / Re: Revised versions of published cards

« on: November 04, 2014, 08:14:40 pm »

Feast
Action - $4
Trash a card that you have in play. Gain a card costing up to $1 more than the trashed card.

Not a huge change, but makes the card much more interesting.

But this would suck with Procession.

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General Discussion / Re: Random Stuff Part II

« on: November 04, 2014, 01:03:16 am »

How big does the age difference have to be before it's creepy? The formula I've heard is half your age plus 7 years. If you date someone younger than that, you are officially a cradle robber. Seems reasonable to me.

Why would love be creepy?

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Dominion: Adventures Previews / Re: Groundless speculation about the 2015 expansion

« on: November 03, 2014, 11:49:21 pm »

Is it April? Didn't we already have our last expansion

No. No.

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General Discussion / Re: Random Stuff Part II

« on: November 03, 2014, 05:11:48 pm »

Man, there's nothing wrong with Professor Sinistra.

They can't all be the best professor ever.


(Also, I'm ambidextrous. Does that count?)

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Newbie Mafia 7: Fish Mafia (Day 1)

« on: November 03, 2014, 03:20:44 pm »

Oh and Unvote because now he's active.

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Introductions / Re: Checking in

« on: November 03, 2014, 03:14:25 pm »

Welcome!

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Newbie Mafia 7: Fish Mafia (Day 1)

« on: November 03, 2014, 03:01:34 pm »

Or you just forgot. But I like the scum alternative better.

Maybe i havent even read my pm and i dont know it myself, because it is my strategy to read it when night1 comes so i cant town- /scumslip at day1

Well, there's no way that can be true though, because everyone had to reply to their PMs.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Newbie Mafia 7: Fish Mafia (Day 1)

« on: November 03, 2014, 02:11:30 am »

Actually i wanted to keep mostly quiet until after the first kill, because i think that is the point to reread all the important posts and find out who might be scum.

If everyone did that, we would have nobody to lynch.

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Variants and Fan Cards / Re: Revised versions of published cards for people who play all random

« on: November 02, 2014, 11:12:49 pm »

What if Transmute trashed itself on play?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Newbie Mafia 7: Fish Mafia (Day 1)

« on: November 02, 2014, 10:50:28 pm »

In a separate post, I wanted to do two things:

Should I be actually putting the quotes in a long message like that?  Would that be helpful?  Is that the standard practice?

Also, I think with need to up the pressure on xxpittip.  We need info.  Be a part of that.  Don't just sit back and hope it comes.

Vote:  xxpittip

I have no idea what is or isn't standard practice, but I've been quoting when it feels like it makes misunderstandings less likely to happen, puts emphasis on important things etc -- in other words, when it actually helps. If it isn't useful, then it just makes posts messier for no benefit.

And I agree that Pit really needs to start interacting with people. Vote: Pit this is L-2 if I'm not mistaken.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Newbie Mafia 7: Fish Mafia (Day 1)

« on: November 02, 2014, 09:13:18 pm »

I guess in my last sentence you could replace the "was"s with "is"s.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Newbie Mafia 7: Fish Mafia (Day 1)

« on: November 02, 2014, 09:12:06 pm »

I'm not claiming that he's doing scumhunting, I'm claiming that he was helping newbies avoid stupid mislynches, and thus, focus on finding the actual scum. Well, that was what I got from him at the very start of the game, that's why it was the first item on my list of observations, he hasn't been doing much of that lately. Let me ask you, why do you think that he's scum?

I first found him scummy because I thought his first posts were being unhelpful with so many new players (because he was being overly jokey), and then subsequently because of his reaction to pressure. That's why I'm curious that you that you categorized as being town for being helpful.

Hmm. As a new player, I think his posts early were helpful, and somewhat more reliable than Andrew's posts saying basically the same things because unlike Andrew, Hydrad wasn't one of the players we were "supposed" to be targeting just because of experience. (I guess you could make the argument that he was protecting his experienced partner, but that didn't occur to me). I didn't think that the jokes really distracted from anything at that point, and I didn't think that the reaction to pressure was scummy. Also, him being town fit very nicely in the picture where you and Hugovj were pushing a case against him while you were saying how towny Hugovj was, so perhaps that made me want to see him being town, which in turn could have made me see him being town. I haven't completely abandoned that picture yet, but as Hydrad keeps getting less and less towny with each post he writes lately, I'm losing a lot of my confidence in it.

Could you explain what exactly about his reaction made it appear scummy to you/why do you think that being overly jokey is unhelpful? At this point, I'm mostly just interested in hearing your point of view more clearly, because I obviously don't completely understand it.

ADK: seems to have picked me and is sticking with me. I don't think I've ever seen ADK do something like this especially day 1 and just feels weird. He seems to be pretty confident for some reason. Just doesn't feel right.

Wait a minute, why just ADK? Hugovj was doing the exact same thing, he was just posting less.

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Dominion: Adventures Previews / Re: Groundless speculation about the 2015 expansion

« on: November 02, 2014, 08:12:19 pm »

I am hoping there won't be new token types or new mats.

I've been thinking about this, and I think a new mat can actually be cool if the same mat was referenced by multiple cards in the set and hence the cards can interact with each other through the mat. I was thinking something that stores action cards for future use, a natural extension from storing coins for future use.

Below are some cards I thought of that make use of a "Reserves" mat to store actions  Cards placed on the mat by one card can be used by another card in the set that also uses the mat. They have no name because I'm not feeling creative today.

---

Speculation Card A: Draw
Action - $4
+2 Cards
Choose one: Discard all cards on your Reserves mat and place up to 2 Action cards from your hand onto your Reserves mat; or play all cards on your reserves mat in any order.

---

Speculation Card B: Gainer
Action - $3
+ $2
Choose one: Place an Action card from your hand onto your Reserves mat; or place a card from your Reserves mat on top of your deck and gain a card costing up to $1 more than it.

---

Speculation Card C: Village
Action - $4
+2 Actions
Choose one: +1 card; or put a card from your Reserves mat into your hand
-
While this is in play, when you gain a card, you may place it onto your Reserves mat.

---

A variant of Card C could cost $3 and not provide the +1 card option.

Card C is extremely powerful. It's a village and it auto-Islands all the green cards that you buy. I think you might want to at least make it mandatory to put the gained cards on the Reserves mat, but that might not nerf it enough.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Newbie Mafia 7: Fish Mafia (Day 1)

« on: November 02, 2014, 02:06:58 pm »

i dunno

Thanks for your input.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Newbie Mafia 7: Fish Mafia (Day 1)

« on: November 02, 2014, 02:04:11 pm »

PPS, I'm not sure, he's hard to read.

Who's that?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Newbie Mafia 7: Fish Mafia (Day 1)

« on: November 02, 2014, 12:24:18 pm »

So, first you believe me, then not. Weird.

and now it's looking like he's scum trying to subtly tell his scum partner, me, that I should stop saying how towny he is

Also, why would you point out that it seems that you are Hydrad's scum partner? If it's not true, I would gladly ignore that and hope that no-one notices it and if it's true, it makes even less sense pointing it out. I don't think anyone has noticed that Hydrad supposedly was trying to tell you anything like that.

Does anyone else think anything about this, am I overthinking things here?

Yes, you are either overthinking this or you are scum.

I still believe that the advice was good, that's what I said in the previous post as well and that's all I was originally referring to. There never was a point where I thought you couldn't be scum, but so far, there is a reason to suspect you only if Hydrad is scum, too.

I pointed out that it seems that I'm Hydrad's scum partner because I thought that it seems like I'm Hydrad's scum partner. I just noticed it, but I didn't know if it was intentional or not, so I brought it up in order to let more experienced players and especially those who have played with Hydrad before state their opinions about it. If others thought that Hydrad was doing it intentionally, then I guess the only conclusion we could have drawn from that is that it was scummy, and then we could have lynched him, but if it looks like I'm just overthinking this, then I still think he is town. This is a slightly complicated decision, so I didn't want to convince myself that one alternative is right before hearing from others. Anyway, if there started to be more hints of Hydrad being scum later, then this would certainly have affected my opinion about it, and I would have had to point it out anyway, or someone else could have pointed it out then, and I think that it was better to point it out right away.

In any case, it looks like everyone else thinks that I'm overthinking this, and you can't all be Hydrad's scum partner so that's probably true.

Why?

Well, it just mostly felt like he was genuinely trying to help the newbie townies find the scum and not mislynch people for stupid reasons. Just an impression like that. Of course, that's just my subjective view, and I'm aware that it could be just him being good at acting like a helpful pro-town player and me being bad at telling that it's just an act, so if you can convince me that I'm wrong, I'm very willing to change my view about this. I just find the arguments you and Hugovj were using against him overly aggressive, and not very strong.

Bolding added. Are you saying that there are people who are trying to do that? And I'm sceptical of the claim that Hydrad is doing much scumhunting, both of his votes were joke votes and most of his posts have been him defending himself.

I'm not claiming that he's doing scumhunting, I'm claiming that he was helping newbies avoid stupid mislynches, and thus, focus on finding the actual scum. Well, that was what I got from him at the very start of the game, that's why it was the first item on my list of observations, he hasn't been doing much of that lately. Let me ask you, why do you think that he's scum?

I doubt Hydrad was thinking so far, but if he was going to flip scum at some point, it's possible that others were going to draw similar conclusions.

Does anyone else think anything about this, am I overthinking things here? Could Hydrad explain himself?

As we previously discussed, I don't think I'm drawing anywhere near as strong a conclusion about this (which is not to say you are drawing a strong conclusion-just more than mine.  I think Hydrad was basically saying exactly what Qvist said:

Btw, why do you believe me already? If you ask me, I'm still in the "I don't trust anybody" phase.

just in a peculiar way.  Is that peculiar way an indication of scum?  Probably not.  Is it worth noting?  Probably yes.

I doubt Hydrad was thinking so far, but if he was going to flip scum at some point, it's possible that others were going to draw similar conclusions.

Pretty much, I agree with this.  With the addenda that if Awaclus were to flip scum, we should look back at this and draw conclusions about Hydrad (and SS and me).  And so on.  Basically, I think this area of conversation has lots of information for down the line when we have flips.  A

And that is surely good for us.

Yeah, this sounds reasonable.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Newbie Mafia 7: Fish Mafia (Day 1)

« on: November 02, 2014, 03:57:55 am »

Unvote because Qvist said so and I believed him.

Btw, why do you believe me already? If you ask me, I'm still in the "I don't trust anybody" phase.

Well, in fact I don't. Like I said, a you/Hydrad scum pairing would make sense, and as was pointed out by someone else, it's for exactly the reason that you were voting for Hydrad early and removed your vote when it became a wagon. I still do believe that the advice in general was good advice, because as town you wouldn't want to give malicious advice and as scum you wouldn't want to get caught giving malicious advice, there's just a possibility that it just was a convenient time to give that advice in order to get Hydrad out of trouble.

Speaking of Hydrad, his response to me finding him towny is very strange. At first, it looked like he was just saying it for fun, but then it started looking like he's scum trying to (to go with the flavor)  fish for more town points, and now it's looking like he's scum trying to subtly tell his scum partner, me, that I should stop saying how towny he is - I obviously know that I'm not his scum partner and so does Hydrad, but the rest of you don't. Did he post that without realizing that this is a conclusion that would be drawn (maybe this is just me overthinking it, and maybe anyone else wouldn't even have made that connection), or is there a reason why he would want that everyone thinks that we have a me/Hydrad scum pair? If he's town, definitely none. If he's scum, I guess in the best case scenario he might manage to get me lynched, thus protecting his real scum partner from my suspicion (I guess that would be... ADK? Or perhaps Qvist or Andrew if he was worried about my secondary scum guesses), and then he could try to argue that "see, that wasn't the scum pairing, I'm town too" after I flipped town. I guess that's not impossible. Does anyone else think anything about this, am I overthinking things here? Could Hydrad explain himself?

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General Discussion / Re: Random Stuff Part II

« on: November 02, 2014, 02:57:19 am »

Also remember to set them back a week ago if you live in a region where DST ended a week ago.

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Non-Mafia Game Threads / Re: Lateral Thinking Puzzles

« on: November 02, 2014, 02:53:41 am »

Are magic tricks involved?

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Dominion General Discussion / Re: Yet Another Veto Thread

« on: November 02, 2014, 02:38:29 am »

Anyway a player dead set on random 10 ought not to have a problem with what I proposed; they can just never agree to any reroll.

But then they're not playing the same game as others on the same leaderboard, which is a problem. If you never reroll, then you're at a disadvantage against someone who rerolls kingdoms he doesn't know how to play well and sometimes plays against players who reroll kingdoms they don't find interesting, because then sometimes their interests overlap and the super competitive player gains more ranking points on average than (iPad just tried to correct that to "then") the players who never reroll or the players who only reroll boring kingdoms.

As a way of having fun games more often, I like this suggestion more than a veto more or a ban list. But from a pro leaderboard point of view, it's not very good.

I'm thinking that it might be nice if there's automatching, all base set cards are always available, and out of the cards each player owns, he can choose to ban up to X cards and up to Y whole expansions that he's not contributing to the game (others still can if they have those cards, too, but it would make them that much less likely to appear), and in your automatching settings, you can adjust max X and Y to your liking and only get matched with players with less or equal banned cards/expansions (and it would be super good if there was a choice to start ignoring your banlist if there's nobody whose X and Y settings are high enough). Games played with lower numbers of banned cards would affect the ranking more (exponentially? Maybe banning one card shouldn't be a huge deal, but banning 10 should). A lot of players should be fine with this system, at least.

Edit: No, actually that might suck too, because then you buy all the cards and get matched against people who only bought Dark Ages and then you'll still have to play with Urchin, Cultist, Rebuild, Knights and others almost twice as often as you normally would, and be at a disadvantage because your opponent plays every game like that and has much more experience with those cards.

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Hearthstone / Re: Best HS Moments 2014

« on: November 01, 2014, 10:49:25 pm »

My opponent's t2 Mad Bomber dealt 3 damage to the opponent himself. My t2 Mad Bomber killed my opponent's Mad Bomber and pinged me.