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Mafia Game Threads / Re: Mafia XIX: Deep Space Nine Mafia (Day 1)
« on: January 10, 2013, 12:53:50 am »ash's recent posts have read towny to me
See, this is what I'm talking about. Saying "X read Y to me" just seems to be coming all too naturally for someone who has never had to make Town/scum reads before. I get the impression that you are offering token reads to make sure that you have some sort of an opinion, similar to what you were doing in ZMIX. Having said that, your second point is more what I would expect.
In ZMIX I pushed hard for a lynch on raerae on D1. Also I'm confused what you mean by token reads? Do you find me scummy because I am not making strong enough reads, or do you find me scummy for making too strong reads as it is my first game as town.
Lastly Jim I believe you have taken my post about ash out of context as you did with your case on eevee to make your argument seem stronger. This seems intrinsically scummy, as you have done it twice now.
Okay, I'll do my best to answer this. You seems to have a problem with clipping quotes, but I'm going to clip them anyway, since otherwise this will be a very long post, and that's what you do when you're talking about one part of a post, and not the full post. If you want the full context, there's a link to each post on top of the quote.I don't think this is ever a good idea, if you have reads but don't have time to explain them, say that and wait to post reads till you can explain. Saying town read on X and scum read on X with no backup hurts town in my opinion.
Seeing as you said this, you need to be held to this standard just as much as anyone else.I read through everything and dunno, get a slight scum vibe from eevee and liopoil. To explain eevee reminds me of how he played in the last blits game, and liopoil, well i think I'm just suspicious of him because hes new and when I was new I was scum.
One token read, one joke (just pointing that out because I'm ignoring it). It's easy enough to say "Eevee's scum because he reminds me of his last game". How does he remind you of his last game? Examples?Long time goes by and he mentions the fact that jimm and eevee could both be scum which is a definite possibility although i'm inclined to thing eevee is town.
Why are you inclined to think Eevee's town? Last we heard from you he was scummy.Eevee: Wow, through all the town/station case in the end you came out with a pretty null read from me. Your post about Jimm being not a good lynch for today but possible in the future was a pretty solid thought, and I believe you about not caring about the flavor. It is a very complicated universe making it hard for outsiders to understand. Upon reading your opinions on a group of people, I get a scummy vibe from you. Of the 8 people you analysed, which has no order to them, curious how you came up with this group, you found one scum read, galz which you gave no explanation for. You've often said these long post of analysis on people are towny and helpful I do not find yours to be.
So in the end I still have a scum read on you mainly stemming from your analysis post.
Again, what about his analysis post? Point to what he said that you thought was scummy, and why you thought it was scummy.Went to bed at 11, woke up at 9 to 4 pages!
unvote this is because of two reason, the second being knowingly terrible, 1) ash's recent posts have read towny to me and 2) my scum read on him is from posts pages and pages ago, they have been lost in so many other things I couldn't make a case on him if I was asked to.
How have they seemed towny to you?As far as TheMunch is concerned, I have pretty much a null read on him, I lean slightly toward scum because when I ctrl/F his name there is a small gap where I assume he was getting caught up, he then posts some reads and information and then another huge gap where he posts nothing.
You think he's scummy because he sleeps? Why do you think these gaps make him scummy?I do however have a strong scum read on Jim now because of the way he has acted under pressure and because of the case he has made against me. I believe his case against me is poor and flawed, I would like him to answer my previous question or at least explain what he meant. I will quote it in the next post for reference.
How have I acted under pressure? Refer to a post. Why does having what you think is a poor case against you scummy?
(Questions largely rhetorical)
Like I said, I've been getting a weird vibe from you all game, and I think I've figured out why, but I'm not having the easiest time explaining it. I just think that someone in their first game as Town is likely to get to the point where they say "I just don't know! You're ALL scum! But you're all Town!" This can be a very frustrating and confusing game, especially in your first game as Town. But I'm just not getting that "first game as Town" vibe from you. You just seem to me to be chugging along throwing out "reads".
Is this a strong case? I don't know. Obviously mcmc will disagree with it. In general I don't think I have terribly much pull, but mcmc's game has just struck me as a little odd, and hopefully this explains a little clearer why.
Alright, sorry I still suck at quotes so I'm going to answer this from down here.
Eevee: Wow, through all the town/station case in the end you came out with a pretty null read from me. Your post about Jimm being not a good lynch for today but possible in the future was a pretty solid thought, and I believe you about not caring about the flavor. It is a very complicated universe making it hard for outsiders to understand. Upon reading your opinions on a group of people, I get a scummy vibe from you. Of the 8 people you analysed, which has no order to them, curious how you came up with this group, you found one scum read, galz which you gave no explanation for. You've often said these long post of analysis on people are towny and helpful I do not find yours to be.Above this point I agree with most of what you have said. I should support my reads more and articulate them in posts. As for the post above specifically I do point out what in eevee's analyis I find scummy, its the bolded part. For the last point you make, you believe that as my first game as town I should reach a point where I have no clue what is going on and should not be able to make reads. Well I like to think I've played enough mafia in general and that I am a quick learner, however what I really think is that I don't believe this would help town at all. Throwing out reads, making cases, and trying to keep up is how I am going to be as helpful as possible. Through this whole case I have not voted for you and I showed my reluctance to vote earlier as well. I think this is how I have have manifested my newbieness.
So in the end I still have a scum read on you mainly stemming from your analysis post.
